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Subject: Halo vs Star Wars, including halo 4

Oh great so now the OP has to have Roberto show up and make a comprehensive argument for him.

  • 11.12.2012 3:23 PM PDT


Posted by: RockdaleRooster
OP please provide me with a source that shows a single Precursor weapon. Please.

And if you want to stop arguing superweapons then why don't I throw in the fact that every major power in Star Wars has it's own fleet Star Wars has over 20 million sentient species. And there's the Yuuzhan-Vong which are a bit like the Flood without the infecting but just as destructive. Then there's the millions of years back the Star Wars galaxies go and the trillions minimum of people that were alive in that time. The Yuuzhan Vong war caused 365 trillion casualties and their invasion path occupied less than a quarter of the galaxy.

the precursor's weapons are highly destuctive. deny that, and you're beyond stupid. and all those spceies can be turned into soldiers for the forreruners instantly.

  • 11.12.2012 3:25 PM PDT


Posted by: RockdaleRooster
Oh great so now the OP has to have Roberto show up and make a comprehensive argument for him.


and you guys have to swarm me 3-1.

  • 11.12.2012 3:25 PM PDT


Posted by: Helljumper427

Posted by: RockdaleRooster
OP please provide me with a source that shows a single Precursor weapon. Please.

And if you want to stop arguing superweapons then why don't I throw in the fact that every major power in Star Wars has it's own fleet Star Wars has over 20 million sentient species. And there's the Yuuzhan-Vong which are a bit like the Flood without the infecting but just as destructive. Then there's the millions of years back the Star Wars galaxies go and the trillions minimum of people that were alive in that time. The Yuuzhan Vong war caused 365 trillion casualties and their invasion path occupied less than a quarter of the galaxy.

the precursor's weapons are highly destuctive. deny that, and you're beyond stupid. and all those spceies can be turned into soldiers for the forreruners instantly.

But HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT? WHERE IS YOUR PROOF THAT THEY EVEN HAD WEAPONS?

  • 11.12.2012 3:26 PM PDT


Posted by: Helljumper427

Posted by: RockdaleRooster
Oh great so now the OP has to have Roberto show up and make a comprehensive argument for him.


and you guys have to swarm me 3-1.

Because your the only one stupid enough to think Halo would win when presented with facts and logic.

  • 11.12.2012 3:27 PM PDT


Posted by: RockdaleRooster

Posted by: Helljumper427

Posted by: RockdaleRooster
OP please provide me with a source that shows a single Precursor weapon. Please.

And if you want to stop arguing superweapons then why don't I throw in the fact that every major power in Star Wars has it's own fleet Star Wars has over 20 million sentient species. And there's the Yuuzhan-Vong which are a bit like the Flood without the infecting but just as destructive. Then there's the millions of years back the Star Wars galaxies go and the trillions minimum of people that were alive in that time. The Yuuzhan Vong war caused 365 trillion casualties and their invasion path occupied less than a quarter of the galaxy.

the precursor's weapons are highly destuctive. deny that, and you're beyond stupid. and all those spceies can be turned into soldiers for the forreruners instantly.

But HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT? WHERE IS YOUR PROOF THAT THEY EVEN HAD WEAPONS?
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if they could destoy speices at a whim, they obviously had weapons. for god's sake, every inteligent spieces has weapons. stop arguing that they don't have weapons.

  • 11.12.2012 3:28 PM PDT


Posted by: RockdaleRooster

Posted by: Helljumper427

Posted by: RockdaleRooster
Oh great so now the OP has to have Roberto show up and make a comprehensive argument for him.


and you guys have to swarm me 3-1.

Because your the only one stupid enough to think Halo would win when presented with facts and logic.


Congratulations! you have succesfully contradicted yourself.

  • 11.12.2012 3:29 PM PDT


Posted by: Helljumper427

Posted by: RockdaleRooster

Posted by: Helljumper427

Posted by: RockdaleRooster
OP please provide me with a source that shows a single Precursor weapon. Please.

And if you want to stop arguing superweapons then why don't I throw in the fact that every major power in Star Wars has it's own fleet Star Wars has over 20 million sentient species. And there's the Yuuzhan-Vong which are a bit like the Flood without the infecting but just as destructive. Then there's the millions of years back the Star Wars galaxies go and the trillions minimum of people that were alive in that time. The Yuuzhan Vong war caused 365 trillion casualties and their invasion path occupied less than a quarter of the galaxy.

the precursor's weapons are highly destuctive. deny that, and you're beyond stupid. and all those spceies can be turned into soldiers for the forreruners instantly.

But HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT? WHERE IS YOUR PROOF THAT THEY EVEN HAD WEAPONS?
\

if they could destoy speices at a whim, they obviously had weapons. for god's sake, every inteligent spieces has weapons. stop arguing that they don't have weapons.

What if their weapons are big claws that stab people? Or they use their tentacles to strangle people to death. The prisoner had a spike tail maybe that was the precursors great weapon. A spiky tail.

  • 11.12.2012 3:32 PM PDT

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Posted by: Helljumper427
And all those species can be turned into soldiers for the forreruners instantly.

Star Wars can do the same thing.
-Rakghouls.
-Technobeast.

  • 11.12.2012 3:32 PM PDT


Posted by: RockdaleRooster

Posted by: Helljumper427

Posted by: RockdaleRooster

Posted by: Helljumper427

Posted by: RockdaleRooster
OP please provide me with a source that shows a single Precursor weapon. Please.

And if you want to stop arguing superweapons then why don't I throw in the fact that every major power in Star Wars has it's own fleet Star Wars has over 20 million sentient species. And there's the Yuuzhan-Vong which are a bit like the Flood without the infecting but just as destructive. Then there's the millions of years back the Star Wars galaxies go and the trillions minimum of people that were alive in that time. The Yuuzhan Vong war caused 365 trillion casualties and their invasion path occupied less than a quarter of the galaxy.

the precursor's weapons are highly destuctive. deny that, and you're beyond stupid. and all those spceies can be turned into soldiers for the forreruners instantly.

But HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT? WHERE IS YOUR PROOF THAT THEY EVEN HAD WEAPONS?
\

if they could destoy speices at a whim, they obviously had weapons. for god's sake, every inteligent spieces has weapons. stop arguing that they don't have weapons.

What if their weapons are big claws that stab people? Or they use their tentacles to strangle people to death. The prisoner had a spike tail maybe that was the precursors great weapon. A spiky tail.


use your common sense. a speices that advanced obviously had some sort of ultra-powerful gun.

  • 11.12.2012 3:34 PM PDT


Posted by: BerzerkCommando
Posted by: Helljumper427
And all those species can be turned into soldiers for the forreruners instantly.

Star Wars can do the same thing.
-Rakghouls.
-Technobeast.


and the precursors evidently had somehthing like that as well, seeing as how the forerruners had it.

  • 11.12.2012 3:35 PM PDT


Posted by: Helljumper427
use your common sense. a speices that advanced obviously had some sort of ultra-powerful gun.

I can use common sense and that would tell me that the sheer numbers of Star Wars overwhelm whatever Halo has.
But I'm looking for hard facts. So where are they?

  • 11.12.2012 3:35 PM PDT

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Posted by: Helljumper427
i'm staring to think that you people have no common sense. if the precursors are more powerfull, its obvious they have more powerfull super weapons, and more of them.

They're obviously not superior, since the Forerunners pretty much revolted against them and drove them out/killed them off.

Seriously, power heirarchy is a mess in Halo.


Answer me these questions, and then I'll concede.

1) What kind of access did the Forerunners have to Precursor technology? 2) Was the Primordial even telling the truth, or lying through his teeth to demoralize the Didact? 3) Forerunners, with some of the best computer archives ever, do not remember this. Why? 4) Was their leaving the result of actually being defeated, or did they instead simply decide to leave? 5) Why did the Primordial's story change in the second book, where now the Precursors survived and are elsewhere in the universe? 6) Why does he imply a Precursor civil war in the same book?

Ok, you're implying the Precursors allowed for all this to happen, barring some slight unexpectancies? (see 6).

Well why are they doing this in such an obscure, cryptic way? Shouldn't they have seen this revolution coming, if they're even as half as powerful as they're lead on to be?

  • 11.12.2012 3:38 PM PDT

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Posted by: RockdaleRooster

Posted by: Helljumper427

Posted by: RockdaleRooster
OP please provide me with a source that shows a single Precursor weapon. Please.

And if you want to stop arguing superweapons then why don't I throw in the fact that every major power in Star Wars has it's own fleet Star Wars has over 20 million sentient species. And there's the Yuuzhan-Vong which are a bit like the Flood without the infecting but just as destructive. Then there's the millions of years back the Star Wars galaxies go and the trillions minimum of people that were alive in that time. The Yuuzhan Vong war caused 365 trillion casualties and their invasion path occupied less than a quarter of the galaxy.

the precursor's weapons are highly destuctive. deny that, and you're beyond stupid. and all those spceies can be turned into soldiers for the forreruners instantly.

But HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT? WHERE IS YOUR PROOF THAT THEY EVEN HAD WEAPONS?
\

if they could destroy species at a whim, they obviously had weapons. for god's sake, every intelligent species has weapons. stop arguing that they don't have weapons.

Star Wars also has weapons that can destroy species at whim. But do you know how powerful those Precursor weapons that do it are? Hell, we have weapons that can destroy species at whim. There's a difference between saying that and proving how powerful those weapons are.


[Edited on 11.12.2012 3:39 PM PST]

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Really OP you just cant admit you lost theres no way halo can counter star wars effectly.


halo would win in the end. you're arguing that star wars has a bunch of super weapons. F.A.I.L.


and what have you been arguing about oh yeah you pretty much said 2 things that can counter star wars.


precusors and forerruners. that's all that's needed.


And Star Wars has weapons that can wipe both of them out and some invincible ghost Sith guy.

  • 11.12.2012 3:40 PM PDT

OP just STFU. Star Wars will win, the Star Forger can churn trillions of droids capable of wiping out the UNSC, Covenant, and Flood. The Star Wars universe has a DEADLY Army, and that's alot compared to Halo's with like what, 5? Oh, and seeing as how the Forunners almost loss to ANCIENT HUMANS, how can said Forunners beat a more technologically advanced race? You want to know how the Forunners won? HALO ARRAY'S, they were too sore from fighting Humanity that they had to start over with the use of a Halo Array.

  • 11.12.2012 3:40 PM PDT


Posted by: RockdaleRooster
OP please provide me with a source that shows a single Precursor weapon. Please.



The Flood, for one, and any of the countless civilizations they trashed in their attempts to create the perfect race can testify that they most certaintly do have weapons. If you were to go back in time and steam-roll Native American tribes back before they ever saw the White Man with jets, warships, tanks and assault rifles--and then leave no trace of your presence--would you not call those mysterious devices weapons?

The alternative, of course, is space magic, level: Dr. Manhattan, which I'm sure you don't want to consider as a possibility. Can you imagine an intergalactic race of Manhattans? I sure can't.

But that isn't the point, is it? If you were to give God a shotgun but retain is invunerability, put him up against everything ever, God would win. Eventually, but he'd still win. It doesn't matter how many superweapons the Warsverse has, or how many warriors in its history, they have nothing that can compare with the word Indestructable. Nor, for that matter, do they have anything that can compare with a force that exists across the universe rather than one galaxy.

Wars, for as large as its one galaxy is and as crazy awesome as that one galaxy is, is still being put up against a race of beings that not only are invunerable, but also exist spread throughout the universe. That alone is an advantage that would put even the UNSC at Super-Dangerous-Tier relative to Wars. Shear resource capacity at that level from Halo's weakest faction would be enough to swamp many of Wars' factions alone. Factor in the fact that said faction builds unbreakable technology (as far as Wars' weapons are concerned) and the answer is obvious, regardless of if the Precursors can destroy planets by flicking their fingers, or if they fire spit-balls.

Everything else, three ancient factions of which would give Wars a run for their money, one of which could arguably solo it, are just icing on the Omniverse-sized "screw you" cake the Precursors bring.

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Posted by: RockdaleRooster
What if their weapons are big claws that stab people? Or they use their tentacles to strangle people to death. The prisoner had a spike tail maybe that was the precursors great weapon. A spiky tail.


use your common sense. a speices that advanced obviously had some sort of ultra-powerful gun.


"They're advanced, so they have very powerful guns."

Sound logic, there. What guns, then? How much power? And compared to weaponry in Star Wars?

  • 11.12.2012 3:43 PM PDT


Posted by: RockdaleRooster

Posted by: Helljumper427
use your common sense. a speices that advanced obviously had some sort of ultra-powerful gun.

I can use common sense and that would tell me that the sheer numbers of Star Wars overwhelm whatever Halo has.
But I'm looking for hard facts. So where are they?


the forerruners had trillions of soldiers, in addition to their sentinel army, the precursors left the forerruners to rule the galxy, then left and took over more for themselves, they could create and destroy speices on a whim.

  • 11.12.2012 3:44 PM PDT


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Posted by: Helljumper427

Posted by: RockdaleRooster
What if their weapons are big claws that stab people? Or they use their tentacles to strangle people to death. The prisoner had a spike tail maybe that was the precursors great weapon. A spiky tail.


use your common sense. a speices that advanced obviously had some sort of ultra-powerful gun.


"They're advanced, so they have very powerful guns."

Sound logic, there. What guns, then? How much power? And compared to weaponry in Star Wars?


a billion times more powerful than star wars. and its good to see you have common sense.

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Posted by: RockdaleRooster
OP please provide me with a source that shows a single Precursor weapon. Please.



The Flood, for one, and any of the countless civilizations they trashed in their attempts to create the perfect race can testify that they most certaintly do have weapons. If you were to go back in time and steam-roll Native American tribes back before they ever saw the White Man with jets, warships, tanks and assault rifles--and then leave no trace of your presence--would you not call those mysterious devices weapons?

The alternative, of course, is space magic, level: Dr. Manhattan, which I'm sure you don't want to consider as a possibility. Can you imagine an intergalactic race of Manhattans? I sure can't.

But that isn't the point, is it? If you were to give God a shotgun but retain is invunerability, put him up against everything ever, God would win. Eventually, but he'd still win. It doesn't matter how many superweapons the Warsverse has, or how many warriors in its history, they have nothing that can compare with the word Indestructable. Nor, for that matter, do they have anything that can compare with a force that exists across the universe rather than one galaxy.

Wars, for as large as its one galaxy is and as crazy awesome as that one galaxy is, is still being put up against a race of beings that not only are invunerable, but also exist spread throughout the universe. That alone is an advantage that would put even the UNSC at Super-Dangerous-Tier relative to Wars. Shear resource capacity at that level from Halo's weakest faction would be enough to swamp many of Wars' factions alone. Factor in the fact that said faction builds unbreakable technology (as far as Wars' weapons are concerned) and the answer is obvious, regardless of if the Precursors can destroy planets by flicking their fingers, or if they fire spit-balls.

Everything else, three ancient factions of which would give Wars a run for their money, one of which could arguably solo it, are just icing on the Omniverse-sized "screw you" cake the Precursors bring.


Indestructible...in the Haloverse. Just because the forerunners couldn't destroy them doesn't mean they were completely, totally unbreakable. See the ant/steel plate metaphor.

Plus, can I see where it's stated that they're a universe-wide race?

  • 11.12.2012 3:45 PM PDT

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Posted by: And Im Here Too
And some invincible ghost Sith guy.

-Darth Nihilus.
-Sith Emperor.
-Some Sith guy that can make suns go nova.
-Palpatine can create both worm and black holes. Also, he can send his life force into clone bodies and other people.
-Darth Bane who was able to control an insect that he used for armor. Which can withstand lightsaber attacks.

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Posted by: RockdaleRooster
What if their weapons are big claws that stab people? Or they use their tentacles to strangle people to death. The prisoner had a spike tail maybe that was the precursors great weapon. A spiky tail.


use your common sense. a speices that advanced obviously had some sort of ultra-powerful gun.


"They're advanced, so they have very powerful guns."

Sound logic, there. What guns, then? How much power? And compared to weaponry in Star Wars?


a billion times more powerful than star wars. and its good to see you have common sense.


I was being sarcastic. Not sure if troll...?

Lemme see some calcs and stats, then. Where have the precursors ever used guns, anyway? IIRC the only offensive tool they have is the flood...who get killed by bullets.

  • 11.12.2012 3:46 PM PDT


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: RockdaleRooster
OP please provide me with a source that shows a single Precursor weapon. Please.



The Flood, for one, and any of the countless civilizations they trashed in their attempts to create the perfect race can testify that they most certaintly do have weapons. If you were to go back in time and steam-roll Native American tribes back before they ever saw the White Man with jets, warships, tanks and assault rifles--and then leave no trace of your presence--would you not call those mysterious devices weapons?

The alternative, of course, is space magic, level: Dr. Manhattan, which I'm sure you don't want to consider as a possibility. Can you imagine an intergalactic race of Manhattans? I sure can't.

But that isn't the point, is it? If you were to give God a shotgun but retain is invunerability, put him up against everything ever, God would win. Eventually, but he'd still win. It doesn't matter how many superweapons the Warsverse has, or how many warriors in its history, they have nothing that can compare with the word Indestructable. Nor, for that matter, do they have anything that can compare with a force that exists across the universe rather than one galaxy.

Wars, for as large as its one galaxy is and as crazy awesome as that one galaxy is, is still being put up against a race of beings that not only are invunerable, but also exist spread throughout the universe. That alone is an advantage that would put even the UNSC at Super-Dangerous-Tier relative to Wars. Shear resource capacity at that level from Halo's weakest faction would be enough to swamp many of Wars' factions alone. Factor in the fact that said faction builds unbreakable technology (as far as Wars' weapons are concerned) and the answer is obvious, regardless of if the Precursors can destroy planets by flicking their fingers, or if they fire spit-balls.

Everything else, three ancient factions of which would give Wars a run for their money, one of which could arguably solo it, are just icing on the Omniverse-sized "screw you" cake the Precursors bring.

Except for the fact that Precursor tech isn't indestructible. It was destroyed by the Halo Arrays. You always want hard facts well now I want one. How do you know precisely what weapons the Precursors had? That's what I'm asking. I've never seen one mention of an actual weapon (Not a species). The Precursors are not indestructible and neither is their technology. Whether the Forerunners defeated them or that they decided to leave is proof enough that they are not omnipotent. They reached a point where they were either defeated or decided it was no longer wise to continue the fight. And then there's the use of the word theoretical when describing Tier-0 tech. So the Precursors may not have had the ability to transcend galaxies but were simply defeated. Also they don't "create" life per-se they accelerate it's evolution.

  • 11.12.2012 3:48 PM PDT


Posted by: And Im Here Too
Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: RockdaleRooster
OP please provide me with a source that shows a single Precursor weapon. Please.



The Flood, for one, and any of the countless civilizations they trashed in their attempts to create the perfect race can testify that they most certaintly do have weapons. If you were to go back in time and steam-roll Native American tribes back before they ever saw the White Man with jets, warships, tanks and assault rifles--and then leave no trace of your presence--would you not call those mysterious devices weapons?

The alternative, of course, is space magic, level: Dr. Manhattan, which I'm sure you don't want to consider as a possibility. Can you imagine an intergalactic race of Manhattans? I sure can't.

But that isn't the point, is it? If you were to give God a shotgun but retain is invunerability, put him up against everything ever, God would win. Eventually, but he'd still win. It doesn't matter how many superweapons the Warsverse has, or how many warriors in its history, they have nothing that can compare with the word Indestructable. Nor, for that matter, do they have anything that can compare with a force that exists across the universe rather than one galaxy.

Wars, for as large as its one galaxy is and as crazy awesome as that one galaxy is, is still being put up against a race of beings that not only are invunerable, but also exist spread throughout the universe. That alone is an advantage that would put even the UNSC at Super-Dangerous-Tier relative to Wars. Shear resource capacity at that level from Halo's weakest faction would be enough to swamp many of Wars' factions alone. Factor in the fact that said faction builds unbreakable technology (as far as Wars' weapons are concerned) and the answer is obvious, regardless of if the Precursors can destroy planets by flicking their fingers, or if they fire spit-balls.

Everything else, three ancient factions of which would give Wars a run for their money, one of which could arguably solo it, are just icing on the Omniverse-sized "screw you" cake the Precursors bring.


Indestructible...in the Haloverse. Just because the forerunners couldn't destroy them doesn't mean they were completely, totally unbreakable. See the ant/steel plate metaphor.

Plus, can I see where it's stated that they're a universe-wide race?


you dpn't get the fact the precursors had left behind relics on more than one planet. of course they had multiple galxies under thier control, seeing as how they had more advanced tech than forerruners.

  • 11.12.2012 3:48 PM PDT