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Subject: Halo vs Star Wars, including halo 4


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Posted by: Helljumper427
i'm staring to think that you people have no common sense. if the precursors are more powerfull, its obvious they have more powerfull super weapons, and more of them.

They're obviously not superior, since the Forerunners pretty much revolted against them and drove them out/killed them off.

Seriously, power heirarchy is a mess in Halo.


Answer me these questions, and then I'll concede.

1) What kind of access did the Forerunners have to Precursor technology? 2) Was the Primordial even telling the truth, or lying through his teeth to demoralize the Didact? 3) Forerunners, with some of the best computer archives ever, do not remember this. Why? 4) Was their leaving the result of actually being defeated, or did they instead simply decide to leave? 5) Why did the Primordial's story change in the second book, where now the Precursors survived and are elsewhere in the universe? 6) Why does he imply a Precursor civil war in the same book?

Ok, you're implying the Precursors allowed for all this to happen, barring some slight unexpectancies? (see 6).

Well why are they doing this in such an obscure, cryptic way? Shouldn't they have seen this revolution coming, if they're even as half as powerful as they're lead on to be?


The theory goes that the decision to create a perfect race fell to two camps: the creators of the Flood, and the creators of Mankind/everyone else. This supposedly fell apart into a civil war, but as I said, the details are sketchy. The point being, the Forerunners as they are in the lore, could never have defeated the Precursors. Even the Didact was shocked and disgusted at the idea of any Forerunner weapon damaging Precursor tech.

And gods can war amongst themselves/make mistakes. Look at the Q in Star Trek, or the Emperor of Man(y mistakes). Or every polytheistic religion ever.

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Posted by: RockdaleRooster
What if their weapons are big claws that stab people? Or they use their tentacles to strangle people to death. The prisoner had a spike tail maybe that was the precursors great weapon. A spiky tail.


use your common sense. a speices that advanced obviously had some sort of ultra-powerful gun.


"They're advanced, so they have very powerful guns."

Sound logic, there. What guns, then? How much power? And compared to weaponry in Star Wars?


a billion times more powerful than star wars. and its good to see you have common sense.

Can you link us some source that tells us how powerful they are and what types of weapons they have?

  • 11.12.2012 3:49 PM PDT

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Posted by: Helljumper427
if vader did'nt have the force, MC pwns.


That's like saying if Master Chief didn't have genetic augmentation Vader would pwn.

Your stupid

  • 11.12.2012 3:51 PM PDT


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OP please provide me with a source that shows a single Precursor weapon. Please.



The Flood, for one, and any of the countless civilizations they trashed in their attempts to create the perfect race can testify that they most certaintly do have weapons. If you were to go back in time and steam-roll Native American tribes back before they ever saw the White Man with jets, warships, tanks and assault rifles--and then leave no trace of your presence--would you not call those mysterious devices weapons?

The alternative, of course, is space magic, level: Dr. Manhattan, which I'm sure you don't want to consider as a possibility. Can you imagine an intergalactic race of Manhattans? I sure can't.

But that isn't the point, is it? If you were to give God a shotgun but retain is invunerability, put him up against everything ever, God would win. Eventually, but he'd still win. It doesn't matter how many superweapons the Warsverse has, or how many warriors in its history, they have nothing that can compare with the word Indestructable. Nor, for that matter, do they have anything that can compare with a force that exists across the universe rather than one galaxy.

Wars, for as large as its one galaxy is and as crazy awesome as that one galaxy is, is still being put up against a race of beings that not only are invunerable, but also exist spread throughout the universe. That alone is an advantage that would put even the UNSC at Super-Dangerous-Tier relative to Wars. Shear resource capacity at that level from Halo's weakest faction would be enough to swamp many of Wars' factions alone. Factor in the fact that said faction builds unbreakable technology (as far as Wars' weapons are concerned) and the answer is obvious, regardless of if the Precursors can destroy planets by flicking their fingers, or if they fire spit-balls.

Everything else, three ancient factions of which would give Wars a run for their money, one of which could arguably solo it, are just icing on the Omniverse-sized "screw you" cake the Precursors bring.

Except for the fact that Precursor tech isn't indestructible. It was destroyed by the Halo Arrays. You always want hard facts well now I want one. How do you know precisely what weapons the Precursors had? That's what I'm asking. I've never seen one mention of an actual weapon (Not a species). The Precursors are not indestructible and neither is their technology. Whether the Forerunners defeated them or that they decided to leave is proof enough that they are not omnipotent. They reached a point where they were either defeated or decided it was no longer wise to continue the fight. And then there's the use of the word theoretical when describing Tier-0 tech. So the Precursors may not have had the ability to transcend galaxies but were simply defeated. Also they don't "create" life per-se they accelerate it's evolution.


enough, damn it! the books cryptum and primordium mention that the precursors had the ability to create speices. not accelerate their evolution, but CREATE SPEICES LIKE THE FORERRNERS AND FLOOD. its obvious that they had weapons because they're that advanced and couldn't have survived with out them. they wern't defeated, they left the galaxy for reasons unknown.

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: RockdaleRooster
OP please provide me with a source that shows a single Precursor weapon. Please.



The Flood, for one, and any of the countless civilizations they trashed in their attempts to create the perfect race can testify that they most certaintly do have weapons. If you were to go back in time and steam-roll Native American tribes back before they ever saw the White Man with jets, warships, tanks and assault rifles--and then leave no trace of your presence--would you not call those mysterious devices weapons?

The alternative, of course, is space magic, level: Dr. Manhattan, which I'm sure you don't want to consider as a possibility. Can you imagine an intergalactic race of Manhattans? I sure can't.

But that isn't the point, is it? If you were to give God a shotgun but retain is invunerability, put him up against everything ever, God would win. Eventually, but he'd still win. It doesn't matter how many superweapons the Warsverse has, or how many warriors in its history, they have nothing that can compare with the word Indestructable. Nor, for that matter, do they have anything that can compare with a force that exists across the universe rather than one galaxy.

Wars, for as large as its one galaxy is and as crazy awesome as that one galaxy is, is still being put up against a race of beings that not only are invunerable, but also exist spread throughout the universe. That alone is an advantage that would put even the UNSC at Super-Dangerous-Tier relative to Wars. Shear resource capacity at that level from Halo's weakest faction would be enough to swamp many of Wars' factions alone. Factor in the fact that said faction builds unbreakable technology (as far as Wars' weapons are concerned) and the answer is obvious, regardless of if the Precursors can destroy planets by flicking their fingers, or if they fire spit-balls.

Everything else, three ancient factions of which would give Wars a run for their money, one of which could arguably solo it, are just icing on the Omniverse-sized "screw you" cake the Precursors bring.


Indestructible...in the Haloverse. Just because the forerunners couldn't destroy them doesn't mean they were completely, totally unbreakable. See the ant/steel plate metaphor.

Plus, can I see where it's stated that they're a universe-wide race?


you dpn't get the fact the precursors had left behind relics on more than one planet. of course they had multiple galxies under thier control, seeing as how they had more advanced tech than forerruners.


I do get the fact that they left their toys all over the universe like an extremely advanced toddler. Several galaxies =/= the universe.

Virtually everything we know about the precursors is pure speculation. We know they created the flood, we know they were more advanced than the forerunners by an unknown degree, and we know they were defeated by the forerunners and went AWOL from the galaxy.

Beyond that we don't know enough about them to really use them in a debate.

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: RockdaleRooster
OP please provide me with a source that shows a single Precursor weapon. Please.



The Flood, for one, and any of the countless civilizations they trashed in their attempts to create the perfect race can testify that they most certaintly do have weapons. If you were to go back in time and steam-roll Native American tribes back before they ever saw the White Man with jets, warships, tanks and assault rifles--and then leave no trace of your presence--would you not call those mysterious devices weapons?

The alternative, of course, is space magic, level: Dr. Manhattan, which I'm sure you don't want to consider as a possibility. Can you imagine an intergalactic race of Manhattans? I sure can't.

But that isn't the point, is it? If you were to give God a shotgun but retain is invunerability, put him up against everything ever, God would win. Eventually, but he'd still win. It doesn't matter how many superweapons the Warsverse has, or how many warriors in its history, they have nothing that can compare with the word Indestructable. Nor, for that matter, do they have anything that can compare with a force that exists across the universe rather than one galaxy.

Wars, for as large as its one galaxy is and as crazy awesome as that one galaxy is, is still being put up against a race of beings that not only are invunerable, but also exist spread throughout the universe. That alone is an advantage that would put even the UNSC at Super-Dangerous-Tier relative to Wars. Shear resource capacity at that level from Halo's weakest faction would be enough to swamp many of Wars' factions alone. Factor in the fact that said faction builds unbreakable technology (as far as Wars' weapons are concerned) and the answer is obvious, regardless of if the Precursors can destroy planets by flicking their fingers, or if they fire spit-balls.

Everything else, three ancient factions of which would give Wars a run for their money, one of which could arguably solo it, are just icing on the Omniverse-sized "screw you" cake the Precursors bring.


Indestructible...in the Haloverse. Just because the forerunners couldn't destroy them doesn't mean they were completely, totally unbreakable. See the ant/steel plate metaphor.

Plus, can I see where it's stated that they're a universe-wide race?
Yh I'm pretty sure it's quoted somewhere that they have around 3 million worlds. Billions of stars multiplied by hundreds of millions of galaxies (our estimates)...

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Posted by: Helljumper427
if vader did'nt have the force, MC pwns.


That's like saying if Master Chief didn't have genetic augmentation Vader would pwn.

Your stupid


all i'm saying there is the only thing vader has, without the force, is a lightsaber and the human ability to wield it. MC has faster reaction times, is smater, is phiscally srtonger, and has better armour, plus gifts from the forerruners.

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Posted by: Helljumper427
enough, damn it! the books cryptum and primordium mention that the precursors had the ability to create speices. not accelerate their evolution, but CREATE SPEICES LIKE THE FORERRNERS AND FLOOD. its obvious that they had weapons because they're that advanced and couldn't have survived with out them. they wern't defeated, they left the galaxy for reasons unknown.


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Posted by: Helljumper427
all i'm saying there is the only thing vader has, without the force, is a lightsaber and the human ability to wield it. MC has faster reaction times, is smater, is phiscally srtonger, and has better armour, plus gifts from the forerruners.
Without brains humans wouldn't survive.

Is that the point you're making?

Except for the thing that makes it better, it's not better.

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Posted by: WEE MAN MJJC

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Posted by: Helljumper427
i'm staring to think that you people have no common sense. if the precursors are more powerfull, its obvious they have more powerfull super weapons, and more of them.

They're obviously not superior, since the Forerunners pretty much revolted against them and drove them out/killed them off.

Seriously, power heirarchy is a mess in Halo.


Answer me these questions, and then I'll concede.

1) What kind of access did the Forerunners have to Precursor technology? 2) Was the Primordial even telling the truth, or lying through his teeth to demoralize the Didact? 3) Forerunners, with some of the best computer archives ever, do not remember this. Why? 4) Was their leaving the result of actually being defeated, or did they instead simply decide to leave? 5) Why did the Primordial's story change in the second book, where now the Precursors survived and are elsewhere in the universe? 6) Why does he imply a Precursor civil war in the same book?

Ok, you're implying the Precursors allowed for all this to happen, barring some slight unexpectancies? (see 6).

Well why are they doing this in such an obscure, cryptic way? Shouldn't they have seen this revolution coming, if they're even as half as powerful as they're lead on to be?


The theory goes that the decision to create a perfect race fell to two camps: the creators of the Flood, and the creators of Mankind/everyone else. This supposedly fell apart into a civil war, but as I said, the details are sketchy. The point being, the Forerunners as they are in the lore, could never have defeated the Precursors. Even the Didact was shocked and disgusted at the idea of any Forerunner weapon damaging Precursor tech.

And gods can war amongst themselves/make mistakes. Look at the Q in Star Trek, or the Emperor of Man(y mistakes). Or every polytheistic religion ever.

The magnitude of their mistakes is pretty darn significant. One could argue it is comparable to the hypothetical situation of the colonists being driven/wiped out by the Native Americans.

Unless they planned all this, which still doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

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slipspace and lightspeed Is practicly the same thing.

no. slipspace is a dimesion. light speed is a term saying that something goes at the speed of light.

Dumbass, lightspeed isn't what Star Wars craft travel in. Hyperdrives crack holes into an alternate dimension known as 'Hyperspace' which allows ships to travel 100,000 thousand times the speed of light, allowing them to traverse the entire -blam!- Galaxy, in days. Weeks at most. If it's charted by scouts, they can simply drop out of Hyperspace in a second, hit you with a superlaser and destroy your capital planet in one go, then jump back into hyperspace three seconds later.

Poof. You just lost your capital. Rinse and repeat this for the forgeworlds.

Also, like Warhammer, Star War has entire planets dedicated to producing specific items. One planet is completely automated and at full production could likely make quintillions of the specific droid you wanted in a matter of months. IG-88's are one of the serious '-blam!- you physics' monsters there are and could rip apart Forerunner infantry. Not to mention Star Wars also has disruptors, lol-guns that could one shot kill Daleks. They ignore shields and instantly vaporize anything they hit.
Star Wars basic civilizations (the Empire, Republic, Alliance, etc) are capable of constructing factories around BLACK HOLES. The advanced Civs, like the Celestials, merged with the force and likely ascended to God-Hood. It's quite likely that they influence the force and tip the balance in favor of the light side, and are the reason that farm boys are able to take on insane odds and come out alive.

(It's my personal theory, along with some other fans. The Celestials ascended to virtual godhood and ensure that the villains always bite the dust. Makes sense too and explains some of the crazy -blam!- that goes on.)

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Posted by: Helljumper427
enough, damn it! the books cryptum and primordium mention that the precursors had the ability to create speices. not accelerate their evolution, but CREATE SPEICES LIKE THE FORERRNERS AND FLOOD. its obvious that they had weapons because they're that advanced and couldn't have survived with out them. they wern't defeated, they left the galaxy for reasons unknown.


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As the Forerunners had no examples of civilizations with technological accomplishments greater than themselves - with the exception of the Precursors - this is a theoretical ceiling. It is suspected that they can travel across galaxies and accelerate the evolution of intelligent life.
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  • 11.12.2012 3:57 PM PDT

I like how the OP keeps on talking about the Precursors even though we know little to nothing about them, yet when we talk about the feats of Star War's he goes into denial.

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Posted by: Chris marines

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: RockdaleRooster
OP please provide me with a source that shows a single Precursor weapon. Please.



The Flood, for one, and any of the countless civilizations they trashed in their attempts to create the perfect race can testify that they most certaintly do have weapons. If you were to go back in time and steam-roll Native American tribes back before they ever saw the White Man with jets, warships, tanks and assault rifles--and then leave no trace of your presence--would you not call those mysterious devices weapons?

The alternative, of course, is space magic, level: Dr. Manhattan, which I'm sure you don't want to consider as a possibility. Can you imagine an intergalactic race of Manhattans? I sure can't.

But that isn't the point, is it? If you were to give God a shotgun but retain is invunerability, put him up against everything ever, God would win. Eventually, but he'd still win. It doesn't matter how many superweapons the Warsverse has, or how many warriors in its history, they have nothing that can compare with the word Indestructable. Nor, for that matter, do they have anything that can compare with a force that exists across the universe rather than one galaxy.

Wars, for as large as its one galaxy is and as crazy awesome as that one galaxy is, is still being put up against a race of beings that not only are invunerable, but also exist spread throughout the universe. That alone is an advantage that would put even the UNSC at Super-Dangerous-Tier relative to Wars. Shear resource capacity at that level from Halo's weakest faction would be enough to swamp many of Wars' factions alone. Factor in the fact that said faction builds unbreakable technology (as far as Wars' weapons are concerned) and the answer is obvious, regardless of if the Precursors can destroy planets by flicking their fingers, or if they fire spit-balls.

Everything else, three ancient factions of which would give Wars a run for their money, one of which could arguably solo it, are just icing on the Omniverse-sized "screw you" cake the Precursors bring.


Indestructible...in the Haloverse. Just because the forerunners couldn't destroy them doesn't mean they were completely, totally unbreakable. See the ant/steel plate metaphor.

Plus, can I see where it's stated that they're a universe-wide race?
Yh I'm pretty sure it's quoted somewhere that they have around 3 million worlds. Billions of stars multiplied by hundreds of millions of galaxies (our estimates)...


at the begining of cryptum it's stated that the forerruners have 3 billion worlds, plus the fact they can litterally build them constantly. so it's rather obvious that precursors have several galaxies under their control, considering how much mor avanced they are than the forerruners.

[Edited on 11.12.2012 3:58 PM PST]

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Posted by: WhiteFang0699
I like how the OP keeps on talking about the Precursors even though we know little to nothing about them, yet when we talk about the feats of Star War's he goes into denial.


it's not denial. i'm countering what you're saying with the abilties of the precursors and forerruners. and to all of you say that the precursors don't have weapons, you're -blam!- stupid.

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at the begining of cryptum it's stated that the forerruners have 3 billion worlds, plus the fact they can litterally build them constantly. so it's rather obvious that precursors have several galaxies under their control, considering how much mor avanced they are than the forerruners.


An ape armed with a stick is more advanced than an ape that isn't.

Until we find out how much more advanced the precursors were over the forerunners, all you have to argue with is guesswork.

  • 11.12.2012 3:59 PM PDT

forrunners, covenent, Precursors and halo technology would wipe out star wars in an instant.

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Posted by: EvilIguana343
forrunners, covenent, Precursors and halo technology would wipe out star wars in an instant.

Lolno. Who would win then, the Republic or the Covenant?

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Posted by: EvilIguana343
forrunners, covenent, Precursors and halo technology would wipe out star wars in an instant.


The Covenant are lol-worthy, we barely know anything about the precursors, the forerunners get solo'd by that invincible guy, and the Halo Array gets blown up by all of Star Wars' many, many super-weapons.

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Posted by: Helljumper427
Its obvious that they had weapons because they're that advanced and couldn't have survived with out them.

We know they have weapons. Everybody has weapons, but what we don't know. Is what weapons they have and how powerful they are.

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Posted by: Chris marines

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: RockdaleRooster
OP please provide me with a source that shows a single Precursor weapon. Please.



The Flood, for one, and any of the countless civilizations they trashed in their attempts to create the perfect race can testify that they most certaintly do have weapons. If you were to go back in time and steam-roll Native American tribes back before they ever saw the White Man with jets, warships, tanks and assault rifles--and then leave no trace of your presence--would you not call those mysterious devices weapons?

The alternative, of course, is space magic, level: Dr. Manhattan, which I'm sure you don't want to consider as a possibility. Can you imagine an intergalactic race of Manhattans? I sure can't.

But that isn't the point, is it? If you were to give God a shotgun but retain is invunerability, put him up against everything ever, God would win. Eventually, but he'd still win. It doesn't matter how many superweapons the Warsverse has, or how many warriors in its history, they have nothing that can compare with the word Indestructable. Nor, for that matter, do they have anything that can compare with a force that exists across the universe rather than one galaxy.

Wars, for as large as its one galaxy is and as crazy awesome as that one galaxy is, is still being put up against a race of beings that not only are invunerable, but also exist spread throughout the universe. That alone is an advantage that would put even the UNSC at Super-Dangerous-Tier relative to Wars. Shear resource capacity at that level from Halo's weakest faction would be enough to swamp many of Wars' factions alone. Factor in the fact that said faction builds unbreakable technology (as far as Wars' weapons are concerned) and the answer is obvious, regardless of if the Precursors can destroy planets by flicking their fingers, or if they fire spit-balls.

Everything else, three ancient factions of which would give Wars a run for their money, one of which could arguably solo it, are just icing on the Omniverse-sized "screw you" cake the Precursors bring.


Indestructible...in the Haloverse. Just because the forerunners couldn't destroy them doesn't mean they were completely, totally unbreakable. See the ant/steel plate metaphor.

Plus, can I see where it's stated that they're a universe-wide race?
Yh I'm pretty sure it's quoted somewhere that they have around 3 million worlds. Billions of stars multiplied by hundreds of millions of galaxies (our estimates)...


at the begining of cryptum it's stated that the forerruners have 3 billion worlds, plus the fact they can litterally build them constantly. so it's rather obvious that precursors have several galaxies under their control, considering how much mor avanced they are than the forerruners.

The Vong likely has numerous galaxies under their belt. And in pure speculation, the only thing that would have prevented them from sacking another galaxy silly is a collections of civilizations equal to or larger than the Empire at full strength. When you start throwing around universes, don't do it with Star Wars. There's no details and it's pure sketchy, which means any war could easily turn one sided.

Also, we've been completely ignoring the Unknown Regions. The guys there alone could take on the Covenant and UNSC in a single battle, and probably, like the rest of the Galaxy, capable of going toe-to-toe with the Forerunners with the assistance of fore-wielders who can one-shot fleets when they're high up.

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Posted by: Helljumper427
at the begining of cryptum it's stated that the forerruners have 3 billion worlds, plus the fact they can litterally build them constantly. so it's rather obvious that precursors have several galaxies under their control, considering how much mor avanced they are than the forerruners.


An ape armed with a stick is more advanced than an ape that isn't.

Until we find out how much more advanced the precursors were over the forerunners, all you have to argue with is guesswork.


if the forerruners can implant gentic codes in certain humans, ie MC, and the precursors can create speices, and that precursors basic level building material is indestructible to all but the most advanced weapons built by the forerruners, its rather obviouns how much more advanced they are.

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Posted by: Helljumper427
at the begining of cryptum it's stated that the forerruners have 3 billion worlds, plus the fact they can litterally build them constantly. so it's rather obvious that precursors have several galaxies under their control, considering how much mor avanced they are than the forerruners.


An ape armed with a stick is more advanced than an ape that isn't.

Until we find out how much more advanced the precursors were over the forerunners, all you have to argue with is guesswork.

And there's the still numerous unknown guys in the Unknown Regions, who are host to many lulzy OP factions. And if you want speculation, there's the rest of the Universe, the horrid environment that gave birth to the Vong in some distant galaxy.

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Posted by: Helljumper427
enough, damn it! the books cryptum and primordium mention that the precursors had the ability to create speices. not accelerate their evolution, but CREATE SPEICES LIKE THE FORERRNERS AND FLOOD. its obvious that they had weapons because they're that advanced and couldn't have survived with out them. they wern't defeated, they left the galaxy for reasons unknown.


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