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Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Posted by: RockdaleRooster
OP please provide me with a source that shows a single Precursor weapon. Please.
The Flood, for one, and any of the countless civilizations they trashed in their attempts to create the perfect race can testify that they most certaintly do have weapons. If you were to go back in time and steam-roll Native American tribes back before they ever saw the White Man with jets, warships, tanks and assault rifles--and then leave no trace of your presence--would you not call those mysterious devices weapons?
The alternative, of course, is space magic, level: Dr. Manhattan, which I'm sure you don't want to consider as a possibility. Can you imagine an intergalactic race of Manhattans? I sure can't.
But that isn't the point, is it? If you were to give God a shotgun but retain is invunerability, put him up against everything ever, God would win. Eventually, but he'd still win. It doesn't matter how many superweapons the Warsverse has, or how many warriors in its history, they have nothing that can compare with the word Indestructable. Nor, for that matter, do they have anything that can compare with a force that exists across the universe rather than one galaxy.
Wars, for as large as its one galaxy is and as crazy awesome as that one galaxy is, is still being put up against a race of beings that not only are invunerable, but also exist spread throughout the universe. That alone is an advantage that would put even the UNSC at Super-Dangerous-Tier relative to Wars. Shear resource capacity at that level from Halo's weakest faction would be enough to swamp many of Wars' factions alone. Factor in the fact that said faction builds unbreakable technology (as far as Wars' weapons are concerned) and the answer is obvious, regardless of if the Precursors can destroy planets by flicking their fingers, or if they fire spit-balls.
Everything else, three ancient factions of which would give Wars a run for their money, one of which could arguably solo it, are just icing on the Omniverse-sized "screw you" cake the Precursors bring.
Except for the fact that Precursor tech isn't indestructible. It was destroyed by the Halo Arrays. You always want hard facts well now I want one. How do you know precisely what weapons the Precursors had? That's what I'm asking. I've never seen one mention of an actual weapon (Not a species). The Precursors are not indestructible and neither is their technology. Whether the Forerunners defeated them or that they decided to leave is proof enough that they are not omnipotent. They reached a point where they were either defeated or decided it was no longer wise to continue the fight. And then there's the use of the word theoretical when describing Tier-0 tech. So the Precursors may not have had the ability to transcend galaxies but were simply defeated. Also they don't "create" life per-se they accelerate it's evolution.
The Halo array is the negation of a very particular meta-science concept called Neural Physics, that life and the universe is inextricably linked. The "universe lives, but not as we do" idea is what gave the Precursors their indestructable technology; in essence, it was built with the living consciousness of the universe itself.
The closest Star Wars analogy would be The Force, but where the Force is the metaphysical energy that binds all living things, Neural Physics is the science that says all things are living. Similar, but different. Which is why the Halos, a Neural Physics weapon, can destroy their technology, but nothing else can. It is no more possible to destroy the Precursors with conventional tech than it is possible to beat the fabric of the universe to death, or kill a Q with anything that isn't their own technology. So the Precursors are not ominipotent (I never said they were, anyway, rather extremely capable), but the Universe is, and would seem to interact with the denizins of itself with Synchrons, or the strings of fate. As with many things, however, the exact details of this is sketchy.
We also do know that they can traverse galaxies, as the Primordial says the Precursors left (which is more than can be said for 99% of the Warsverse) after the Forerunners attacked. This also does not mean they left because of the war itself, as they could just as easily left because they realized their presence was interrupting the natural growth of life in the galaxy. As I said, we don't know anything about why or how or even when the Forerunners "defeated" the Precursors, just that the effective Satan of the story said something. And defeating them doesn't mean jack when you've got access to their tech; otherwise, people would just say that the crew of the USS Voyager defeated the Q, so that must mean the Q suck.
IIRC, Primordium also calls the Precursors those who "seeded the galaxy with life." So I'd call that creation.
I believe the point still stands. The fact that the Forerunners managed to get a hold of their tech, and then proceeded to defeat them with it, kind of tarnishes the Precursor's reputation as the top dog of their respected universe.
[Edited on 11.12.2012 4:25 PM PST]