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I don't have full opinions on the maps yet because I play almost entirely alone and am sort of bad at Halo 4.

However, my initial impressions on Infinity Slayer Maps:

Adrift: I like this map simply because most rooms have three doors and I feel that encounters are easy to predict.

Haven: I thought this would be the best halo 4 map, but with Halo 4's settings I find it too small. I often get cleaned up after a kill or two with no possible way to do anything. Every position you put yourself in lends you to get hit from about three to four directions.

Solace: Overall, I like this map. I am sort of in the air because I've had good experiences on this map, but it feels confusing at times to navigate.

Complex: I've had terrible experiences on this map. I absolutely can't stand the amount of blatant camping. There's no real way to counter campers on this map. If you manage to counter a camping team you will lose a lot of fights to trades in the process.

Note: However, I also had my first rampage and currently best killstreak on this map.

Abandon: I agree with meags that they should fix the spawning and perhaps the map would do better.

There's no question that Halo 4 is best with a coordinated team and involves strategy. However, I feel some map positioning overpowered and broken game mechanics ruin map flow.

In halo 2 and 3 you could almost always use your jump and strafe to overcome an enemies height advantage, but now map height positioning completely trumps that. Also, the fact that you have recoil when shot adds randomness and hitboxes have been made unrealistically bigger.

Most of my opinions are just natural impressions and are only skewed negative because I am currently bad at Halo 4.

[Edited on 11.14.2012 1:33 AM PST]

  • 11.14.2012 1:13 AM PDT

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Posted by: meagsIZbeast

Complex is the worst map of any halo ever.


Finally, someone who agrees with me. I almost found Orbital comforting, because I could look at the map and think "good, map design can sink no lower". And then there was Complex......it's the singlest biggest failure of a map I've ever seen. NOTHING works properly.

  • 11.14.2012 9:10 AM PDT

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Posted by: meagsIZbeast
H4 now>H3 now.

H4 now>reach all time

H3 prime>H4 now.

Best way it's been said yet.

  • 11.14.2012 1:50 PM PDT
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Posted by: cameo_cream
It is just unfortunate it has almost met its end....
To Halo Reach, no less. Very funny, if you ask me.

  • 11.14.2012 2:00 PM PDT

I might not teabag you, but I will poop on you.

Actually, I saw you're still playing H4. Weren't you back to H3? lol

It's weird seeing everybody agree with each other in here.
Imo, Halo 4 is the best in the series. I'm a huge Halo fan and have been since CE. Some of you say "hardcore Halo fans will agree with us" to somehow make your argument a fact.
Uhhhhh, no. Me and my buddies have been playing Halo since Combat Evolved and we're all having a blast with H4.

It's good you guys found each other, at least you get some peace knowing there's a couple of other people who agree with you.

  • 11.14.2012 7:30 PM PDT

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Posted by: XxThePeaceXx
Actually, I saw you're still playing H4. Weren't you back to H3? lol

It's weird seeing everybody agree with each other in here.
Imo, Halo 4 is the best in the series. I'm a huge Halo fan and have been since CE. Some of you say "hardcore Halo fans will agree with us" to somehow make your argument a fact.
Uhhhhh, no. Me and my buddies have been playing Halo since Combat Evolved and we're all having a blast with H4.

It's good you guys found each other, at least you get some peace knowing there's a couple of other people who agree with you.


You've been a huge fan since Halo 1 and you've only been a Bnet member since '11 and played a handful of Halo 3 and Reach matches? I'm sure your old tag that had your Halo 2 games on it got hacked or something.

Most hardcore fans would agree.

[Edited on 11.14.2012 8:25 PM PST]

  • 11.14.2012 8:23 PM PDT

I might not teabag you, but I will poop on you.

so because I didn't make a Bungie account soon enough for you, I'm not a fan? lol Okay. I don't need to explain anything to you.

"Most hardcore fans would agree".
Whatever helps you sleep at night. This place isn't going to consist of every "hardcore fan" that exists. People have different opinions, regardless of them being "hardcore" or not.

  • 11.14.2012 8:33 PM PDT

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Posted by: meagsIZbeast
H4 now>H3 now.

H4 now>reach all time

H3 prime>H4 now.

Best way it's been said yet.
I agree.

[Edited on 11.15.2012 7:43 AM PST]

  • 11.15.2012 7:42 AM PDT

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Posted by: XxThePeaceXx
so because I didn't make a Bungie account soon enough for you, I'm not a fan? lol Okay. I don't need to explain anything to you.

"Most hardcore fans would agree".
Whatever helps you sleep at night. This place isn't going to consist of every "hardcore fan" that exists. People have different opinions, regardless of them being "hardcore" or not.


What are you talking about? You found people on the Halo 3 forum that like Halo 3...shocking. And if you really think that most fans that have been around since the beginning of the series like the direction it has gone, why don't you go poll the Halo 1 and Halo 2 forums? Most of them have played every game in the series in numerical order, and have more credible opinions than the average 16-year-old that started with Reach.

  • 11.15.2012 10:49 AM PDT


Posted by: XxThePeaceXx
Actually, I saw you're still playing H4. Weren't you back to H3? lol

It's weird seeing everybody agree with each other in here.
Imo, Halo 4 is the best in the series. I'm a huge Halo fan and have been since CE. Some of you say "hardcore Halo fans will agree with us" to somehow make your argument a fact.
Uhhhhh, no. Me and my buddies have been playing Halo since Combat Evolved and we're all having a blast with H4.

It's good you guys found each other, at least you get some peace knowing there's a couple of other people who agree with you.


Care to elaborate what's better in Halo 4 than Halo 3? I can only think of a couple.

  • 11.15.2012 12:06 PM PDT

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Posted by: XxThePeaceXx
Actually, I saw you're still playing H4. Weren't you back to H3? lol

It's weird seeing everybody agree with each other in here.
Imo, Halo 4 is the best in the series. I'm a huge Halo fan and have been since CE. Some of you say "hardcore Halo fans will agree with us" to somehow make your argument a fact.
Uhhhhh, no. Me and my buddies have been playing Halo since Combat Evolved and we're all having a blast with H4.

It's good you guys found each other, at least you get some peace knowing there's a couple of other people who agree with you.


Care to elaborate what's better in Halo 4 than Halo 3? I can only think of a couple.


Graphics are great. I like the map Solace. Other than that this game is pretty bad imo. I was one who thought sprint was a good idea, but I've changed my mind. I miss the predictability of movement speed when timing grenades and maps like Haven play much smaller than I would have thought. I thought Haven would be a perfect Halo map, but every place on that map I feel vulnerable aside from the back ramps. Every map besides Solace feels campy to me and I just don't really find it possible to overcome bad map positioning. I wouldn't say Halo 4 doesn't involve skill, but I would say it relies too much on teamwork. I search alone a lot and it's really hurting my ability to enjoy this game. In Reach I could still pub stomp, but there's no way so far for me to predict and figure out wtf is going on. It seems I get a kill or two and then get cleaned up...especially on Haven. I just can't get the pace of that map yet. And maps like Complex are being abused more than Paridiso and Swordbase with their flaws. I also hate how it puts me in games where my team is already losing by a huge margin.

It also irks me that the killcams are so bad that it often appears I'm dying through walls a la CoD style. I'm running around corners or their redicule isn't on me, but on the killcam it's still red. Probably a symptom of lag, but I don't understand why they would add a feature that often times is very broken.

[Edited on 11.15.2012 3:51 PM PST]

  • 11.15.2012 3:49 PM PDT
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Posted by:XxThePeaceXx
so because I didn't make a Bungie account soon enough for you, I'm not a fan? lol Okay. I don't need to explain anything to you.

"Most hardcore fans would agree".
Whatever helps you sleep at night. This place isn't going to consist of every "hardcore fan" that exists. People have different opinions, regardless of them bein "hardcore" or not.
What are you talking about? You found people on the Halo 3 forum that like Halo 3...shocking. And if you really think that most fans that have been around since the beginning of the series like the direction it has gone, why don't you go poll the Halo 1 and Halo 2 forums? Most of them have played every game in the series in numerical order, and have more credible opinions than the average 16-year-old that started with Reach.

  • 11.15.2012 10:15 PM PDT

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Posted by: OMG Im Dan
I agree with the long post above. I do not understand how people think Halo 4 is like Halo 2 or 3 at all. It's also annoying to hear all the people call this the best halo ever. Halo 2 and 3 were far superior to Halo 4.


Unfortunately I acknowledge that these are all opinion based, and I don't have any problems with peoples opinions. I just get frustrated when people deny any sort of connection between Halo 4/Reach to CoD, it's staring them in the face.

  • 11.15.2012 10:49 PM PDT

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Oh, and by the way - I made a post on the 343i forums about the playlists, you know to try and regain some sort of balance within them. I proposed a fairly logical argument, and this were the fanboy's completely logical and well thought out responses.

- Adapt
- Get out of the game and play something else
- The game is perfect shut the F up
- You obviously didn't play any of the playlists because they are perfect

Funny how these exact same things were said during Reach launch..... and at what great success those well thought out responses got the game. Not one blind fanboy actually responded to my claims with any reason whatsoever, yet they are ones being listen to. Disgraceful.

  • 11.15.2012 10:55 PM PDT

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Posted by: XxThePeaceXx
Actually, I saw you're still playing H4. Weren't you back to H3? lol


On and off. And I'm not the only one living in my house you know. Plus I didn't buy the game so that's a decent clue.

  • 11.15.2012 11:01 PM PDT

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Posted by: cameo_cream

Posted by: OMG Im Dan
I agree with the long post above. I do not understand how people think Halo 4 is like Halo 2 or 3 at all. It's also annoying to hear all the people call this the best halo ever. Halo 2 and 3 were far superior to Halo 4.


Unfortunately I acknowledge that these are all opinion based, and I don't have any problems with peoples opinions. I just get frustrated when people deny any sort of connection between Halo 4/Reach to CoD, it's staring them in the face.


Funny is I'm -blam!- beast at the new call of duty putting up a 4:1 ratio and it feels like I haven't lost yet even though I've played 30+ Games and a handful of League Play. However, now that Halo is like cod I suck at it :( When halo was halo 2/3 even Reach I was good at it and yet somehow I suck at Halo 4. Also, I haven't quite figured out what sensitivity works best for me. I've tried everything from 4-8 and I just don't know what's wrong with me. Like I said, some of my negative opinion is genuine and some is because I'm just not used to playing this bad at halo. :/

  • 11.15.2012 11:11 PM PDT

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Posted by: Mike Huntt
I like halo 4 but it's nowhere near as good as halo 3.

  • 11.16.2012 3:01 AM PDT

I'm out.

H4 now>H3 now.

Yeah, because now it's impossible to find matches at all in Halo 3. H3 while reach was out > H4 now.

  • 11.16.2012 3:03 AM PDT


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So, because the game is underpopulated, the game is no longer great? Yeah...no.

  • 11.16.2012 3:06 AM PDT
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I'm listeni- Oh wait I don't give a -blam!- what you have to say.

I was going to get halo 4 but after watching gameplay on streams I pawned my xbox for 15 bucks and am moving on to bigger and better things. Namely, pokemon on my android. GOML

  • 11.16.2012 3:29 AM PDT
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Posted by: x Foman123 x
Posted by: jaythenerdkid
I definitely believe every wildly inflated claim ITT.

Weow kid, do you even lift?


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Posted by: Gig4t3ch
So, because the game is underpopulated, the game is no longer great? Yeah...no.
youre trolling, right? I mean... You can't possibly be serious.

  • 11.16.2012 5:33 AM PDT
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I think Reach is better than Halo 4, overall. The gunplay with bloom was ridiculous, but the game was still a Halo game and still played like one, just with the rifle fights being retarded. We still rushed power weapons and got middle control, and the game was still fairly slow paced and tactical. You still made timed pushes for power weapons, switched weapons for ones on the map for specific situations, called out constantly etc.

The armor abilities felt so wrong because it was still a Halo game. People think they aren't such a big deal in Halo 4, and that's because it isn't Halo. It's far too fast paced, there are no weapons to incent players to hold spots on the map, sprint allows some ridiculous get-aways and chases and the maps themselves just aren't Halo maps.

My xbox live ran out and I'm not even sure whether it's worth restoring it. I only ever played Halo on it, and now that Halo 3 is emptying out it probably isn't worth getting, at least not a large amount. I'd been playing Team Slayer lately (until it ran out a few days ago), and as a 50 with plenty of exp in the playlist I was very rarely getting put in competitive games. Maybe 1 game out of the 15 we played in a night's gaming was all 50s. Lots of them had players from 41-45 in them, mixed in with 50s. It was like playing social, with the 50s on each side racing to stomp the noobs on the other team faster than their opponent could. I can only imagine it's getting emptier with each day that passes now too. If I don't renew live for a few weeks I'm not sure whether I'll even be able to find enough games for it to be worth searching.

[Edited on 11.20.2012 7:45 AM PST]

  • 11.20.2012 7:30 AM PDT

#rubberdingirapids

Just went back to H3 today with some friends, and I couldn't believe how much fun I had in comparison to H4. H4 would make me rage so badly that I could barely last more than three-four games in a row. But all that happened in the 10+ games of H3 were lols.

Who thought ordinance drops were good ideas, seriously???

  • 11.20.2012 4:21 PM PDT

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"That there's some good in this world, and it's worth fighting for."


Posted by: cameo_cream
Oh, and by the way - I made a post on the 343i forums about the playlists, you know to try and regain some sort of balance within them. I proposed a fairly logical argument, and this were the fanboy's completely logical and well thought out responses.

- Adapt
- Get out of the game and play something else
- The game is perfect shut the F up
- You obviously didn't play any of the playlists because they are perfect

Funny how these exact same things were said during Reach launch..... and at what great success those well thought out responses got the game. Not one blind fanboy actually responded to my claims with any reason whatsoever, yet they are ones being listen to. Disgraceful.


Yep, nobody there even listens to criticism, even when it's phrased politely and fairly. I will never buy another new game by 343. Now, a Halo 2 remake? Maybe. But Halo *shudder* 5? Not a chance. I probably shouldn't have wasted money on 4 at all (although I really enjoyed the campaign a lot, so that part might have been worth it).

  • 11.20.2012 4:36 PM PDT

Right there with you.

  • 11.20.2012 6:32 PM PDT