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Posted by: swvjdirector
Yep, nobody there even listens to criticism, even when it's phrased politely and fairly. I will never buy another new game by 343. Now, a Halo 2 remake? Maybe. But Halo *shudder* 5? Not a chance. I probably shouldn't have wasted money on 4 at all (although I really enjoyed the campaign a lot, so that part might have been worth it).


I felt like I couldn't stop buying Halo games just because Reach was bad. Now Halo 4 is too, I'm done. I hope I have more self-respect than to buy three games in a row that suck and then act indignant and betrayed even though Halo had been that way for 4/5 years (by the time H5 comes out). It's now very obvious that Halo isn't coming back. Unless the TU somehow changes Halo 4 into a game that actually plays (even just in some playlists) like Halo, I think we can say that 'Halo' really is gone.

  • 11.21.2012 1:00 AM PDT


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Posted by: swvjdirector
Yep, nobody there even listens to criticism, even when it's phrased politely and fairly. I will never buy another new game by 343. Now, a Halo 2 remake? Maybe. But Halo *shudder* 5? Not a chance. I probably shouldn't have wasted money on 4 at all (although I really enjoyed the campaign a lot, so that part might have been worth it).


I felt like I couldn't stop buying Halo games just because Reach was bad. Now Halo 4 is too, I'm done. I hope I have more self-respect than to buy three games in a row that suck and then act indignant and betrayed even though Halo had been that way for 4/5 years (by the time H5 comes out). It's now very obvious that Halo isn't coming back. Unless the TU somehow changes Halo 4 into a game that actually plays (even just in some playlists) like Halo, I think we can say that 'Halo' really is gone.


Same here. Halo 2 or 3 remakes will get my money and that's it. Halo 4 had a decent campaign, but I didn't pay $60 for a broken multiplayer.

  • 11.21.2012 2:28 AM PDT

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It's like every Halo game's Theatre has just gotten worse.. Reach not having multiple people support and Halo 4 not being able to access recent films without going through a lot of options.

And yeah I had like 68 medals in Halo 4 one game. Next thing you know you'll get a medal for dying.

  • 11.21.2012 8:52 AM PDT

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Posted by: iTz LiMeSoDa
It's like every Halo game's Theatre has just gotten worse.. Reach not having multiple people support and Halo 4 not being able to access recent films without going through a lot of options.

And yeah I had like 68 medals in Halo 4 one game. Next thing you know you'll get a medal for dying.


I agree with the theatre comment, and I'm glad someone else is bothered by the medals. I don't know why it annoys me, it just does. There is something wrong with getting a normal kill and getting ~4 medals for it.

  • 11.21.2012 10:24 AM PDT

50s in: Slayer, Doubles, Lone Wolves, Objective, Ranked BTB, Swat, Snipers.

After Halo 1, the multiplayer has progressively gotten more casual-friendly -- Reach was just the tipping point. Halo 4 shouldn't have been a surprise to anyone.

Microsoft is banking on the likelihood that most of the original fanbase will continue to buy out of some sense of loyalty to the franchise, while younger fans will be attracted to the easy, rewarding, pseudo-realistic COD-style of gameplay that is hot right now. It makes sense to cater to them, considering most longtime Halo players have aged to the point where video games aren't a priority. Unfortunately, the few that still do play consistently have gotten the shaft.

  • 11.21.2012 10:36 AM PDT

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I agree with the rest of your post, but I would say Halo 2 was more competitive than Halo 1. I preferred Halo 3 out of all of them just because it had a nice balance of fun and actually requiring some ability but I am willing to say it was less competitive than both of its predecessors.
Posted by: F4C3 0F D34TH
After Halo 1, the multiplayer has progressively gotten more casual-friendly -- Reach was just the tipping point. Halo 4 shouldn't have been a surprise to anyone.

  • 11.21.2012 1:12 PM PDT

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Posted by: Colossal Dave
I agree with the rest of your post, but I would say Halo 2 was more competitive than Halo 1. I preferred Halo 3 out of all of them just because it had a nice balance of fun and actually requiring some ability but I am willing to say it was less competitive than both of its predecessors.
Posted by: F4C3 0F D34TH
After Halo 1, the multiplayer has progressively gotten more casual-friendly -- Reach was just the tipping point. Halo 4 shouldn't have been a surprise to anyone.


Halo 2 had massive aim-assist and bullet magnetism, overpowered dual-wielding, (especially the Noob Combo), rockets that would lock on to any vehicle, overpowered sword with unlimited ammo, and a flawed weapon-spawn system that could be manipulated easily, rather than Halo 1's system in which all weapons had a fixed spawn time.

  • 11.21.2012 3:26 PM PDT

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No way buddy... Man, Idk. I hated Reach & I don't think 4 is anything like it. I loved 3, played 8000 some matches & I'm really diggin' 4.

  • 11.22.2012 1:01 PM PDT

Different Perspective


Posted by: Mr Ap0ca1ypse
No way buddy... Man, Idk. I hated Reach & I don't think 4 is anything like it. I loved 3, played 8000 some matches & I'm really diggin' 4.


After giving the game two weeks I'd say Reach > Halo 4. They both are bad to me. It's kind of depressing to say, but unless future updates fix the issues I have with Halo 4 then I'm done with the series.

  • 11.22.2012 3:21 PM PDT

Different Perspective


Posted by: F4C3 0F D34TH

Posted by: Colossal Dave
I agree with the rest of your post, but I would say Halo 2 was more competitive than Halo 1. I preferred Halo 3 out of all of them just because it had a nice balance of fun and actually requiring some ability but I am willing to say it was less competitive than both of its predecessors.
Posted by: F4C3 0F D34TH
After Halo 1, the multiplayer has progressively gotten more casual-friendly -- Reach was just the tipping point. Halo 4 shouldn't have been a surprise to anyone.


Halo 2 had massive aim-assist and bullet magnetism, overpowered dual-wielding, (especially the Noob Combo), rockets that would lock on to any vehicle, overpowered sword with unlimited ammo, and a flawed weapon-spawn system that could be manipulated easily, rather than Halo 1's system in which all weapons had a fixed spawn time.


Agree with Face here. The host advantage was unbelievably bad in both Halo 1 and 2. I've rarely played Halo 1, but the Halo Council (MLG Pros like Gandhi and Elamite) has stated that CE was incredibly unfair off host. Also, Halo 2 had far more auto aim and bullet magnetism than any halo besides maybe Halo 4. The host advantage was noticeable where in Halo 3 it's not nearly as bad. In Halo 3, the host can sometimes be a bad thing because it makes glitching shortcuts harder and things like teabagging the lift on The Pit are impossible on host making you an easier target. It really depends in Halo 3 where Halo 2 and 1 the host almost always won. I pulled host through most of Halo 2 and early Halo 3 making me have a good advantage, but it was definitely more noticeable for Sniping in Halo 2.

Also, Halo 4 has terrible hit detection or lag for me so I'm just not playing the game. I noticed since I got a new router I'm pulling host a lot in Black Ops II so I'm sticking to Cod until Halo 4 gets its first Title Update.

Reach Anniversary Playlist is more competitive and enjoyable to me than Halo 2 or Halo 4, but Halo 2 is a better game overall among all three. I think Halo 2 had the best weapon feel and sound, but too much autoaim and host advantage made it less competitive.

Halo 4 is beautiful to look at and some of the maps would be great for Halo 2 or 3, but I just can't adjust to Halo 4 gameplay and its laggy netcode.

Solace is unfair for BR users because DMR 3x zoom is necessary. I will never forgive 343 for making the BR a 5 shot gun. I'd rather have a bigger spread (it already has recoil) and keep it four shot for the sake of balance. There is no reason to have the BR and DMR both in the game as 5 shot weapons. BR is less accurate and has less range.

Competitive wise I'd say:
Halo 3 = Reach Anniversary > Halo 2 = Halo Reach > Halo 4

I have no opinion on CE other than its known host advantage by listening to many pros talk about early MLG.

I know most pros prefer Halo 2, but some pros like Elamite and Neighbor have stated Halo 3 was just as good as Halo 2. Elamite in particular said he preferred leading his shots. Snipedown had said Halo 3 took the most skill in sniping. Elamite was a national champion in 2008 during imo the best season of MLG and Neighbor and Snipedown are known to be two of top players on par with the Ogres, Pistola and Instinct brothers.

The only pros I know that don't like Halo 3 are Gandhi (famous for naming the ghey jump because he couldn't pull it off and also had to retire due to bad placing) and . Even Walshy said that nades in Halo 3 were most competitive because of consistency and nade launching.

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Halo 3 can be improved upon, but Reach and Halo 4 have failed to do so.

[Edited on 11.22.2012 3:40 PM PST]

  • 11.22.2012 3:32 PM PDT

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Halo 1 had a pretty big delay over XBC, but I don't remember it being noticeable on LAN. And the hit detection was always good.

  • 11.22.2012 6:22 PM PDT

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Posted by: F4C3 0F D34TH
Halo 1 had a pretty big delay over XBC, but I don't remember it being noticeable on LAN. And the hit detection was always good.


Hit detection is really only bad on Halo 2 and 3 when the host is bad. Halo Reach didn't have bad hit detection, but the bloom ruined the gunplay. Halo 4 has fine gun feels, but so far terrible hit detection and lag for me. I may start to record games just for the killcams. Many are so broken that you wonder why 343i would put the feature in. It just shows that either lag or hit detection is worse than any cod. Also, I know for a fact that on host you can pull off snipes without the ridicule on the body. I guess it has less autoaim and more bullet magnetism...whatever it is...it looks retarded.

I heard from several videos by halocouncil that Halo 1 had the most host advantage, but they didn't have any proof other then Ogre 2 went like 57-2 during a FFA on host. However, they also noted how Karma always had host in Halo 2 FFA and it was a big advantage there, too.

  • 11.22.2012 11:16 PM PDT

I might not teabag you, but I will poop on you.

So what would you guys have done with the series? I'm so curious to see what exactly you guys want from Halo. You wanted Halo 4 to be pretty much the same as Halo2/3 with some new maps? Is that it? Cuz if that's it, then that would kill Halo and just make it another shooter that's the same as the last one. The series needs to change. Not saying H4 is perfect but I think the new features make it fresh again.

  • 11.27.2012 4:07 PM PDT

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Posted by: XxThePeaceXx
So what would you guys have done with the series? I'm so curious to see what exactly you guys want from Halo. You wanted Halo 4 to be pretty much the same as Halo2/3 with some new maps? Is that it? Cuz if that's it, then that would kill Halo and just make it another shooter that's the same as the last one. The series needs to change. Not saying H4 is perfect but I think the new features make it fresh again.



the new features took away the uniqueness of halo multiplayer, took away the strategy of controlling maps/weapons, took away weapon spawns and don't get me started on how lame AA's are

  • 11.27.2012 4:10 PM PDT

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Posted by: XxThePeaceXx
Actually, I saw you're still playing H4. Weren't you back to H3? lol

It's weird seeing everybody agree with each other in here.
Imo, Halo 4 is the best in the series. I'm a huge Halo fan and have been since CE. Some of you say "hardcore Halo fans will agree with us" to somehow make your argument a fact.
Uhhhhh, no. Me and my buddies have been playing Halo since Combat Evolved and we're all having a blast with H4.

It's good you guys found each other, at least you get some peace knowing there's a couple of other people who agree with you.


Care to elaborate what's better in Halo 4 than Halo 3? I can only think of a couple.

  • 11.27.2012 7:05 PM PDT

I might not teabag you, but I will poop on you.

Well I guess you just wanted Halo to die. That playstyle isn't going to cut it anymore. Just like the old days of Arena shooters like Unreal Tournament and Quake, that style of shooter got burned out and died off. Doesn't matter how many fans of those games say they were better, fact is, those people aren't the majority. Some people never move on.

I loved Halo 3, but going back to it just isn't the same anymore. I enjoy Halo 4 because it has that Halo taste with some new fresh ideas. I don't see how AA's are lame, they are a good addition that Bungie didn't implement well. 343 balanced them out really good. I don't see the big issue with custom loadouts, seeing as there's really only 2 options(BR or DMR). Power weapons still spawn on the maps. The action is fast paced and the shooting mechanics still feel like Halo.

Just my 2 cents. I respect your opinion and it would actually be nice to have a classic playlist to please the people who still want the old style.

  • 11.28.2012 2:22 AM PDT


Posted by: TH3_AV3NG3R
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Whenever I hear "This game reminds me of Halo 2 or 3!" I just laugh. I don't know how a game that doesn't take skill is reminding you of a game that too skill and felt like a Halo game. Reach felt like more of a Halo game even with it's crappy bloom system. Why do we even mention bloom in Reach anymore? It already has a zero bloom playlist. No sense beating a dead horse, anymore.

lolol, EXACTLY how I feel.

no game w/ ordnance drops and custom loadouts could ever feel like Halo 3....

and these are the people trying to compare MP, not campaign. I want to hit my head against a brick wall every time I hear them claim something like that. It doesn't make sense, and it never will.

  • 11.28.2012 9:30 AM PDT

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Posted by: XxThePeaceXx
Well I guess you just wanted Halo to die. That playstyle isn't going to cut it anymore. Just like the old days of Arena shooters like Unreal Tournament and Quake, that style of shooter got burned out and died off. Doesn't matter how many fans of those games say they were better, fact is, those people aren't the majority. Some people never move on.

I loved Halo 3, but going back to it just isn't the same anymore. I enjoy Halo 4 because it has that Halo taste with some new fresh ideas. I don't see how AA's are lame, they are a good addition that Bungie didn't implement well. 343 balanced them out really good. I don't see the big issue with custom loadouts, seeing as there's really only 2 options(BR or DMR). Power weapons still spawn on the maps. The action is fast paced and the shooting mechanics still feel like Halo.

Just my 2 cents. I respect your opinion and it would actually be nice to have a classic playlist to please the people who still want the old style.


I couldn't care less about the game's popularity. I want a game that is skillful and competitive, and if that doesn't cater to casual gamers, so what? And no, Halo wouldn't have "died" without major alterations. All three installments of the original trilogy were some of the most successful games of all-time, and they all had similar fundamental gameplay, while Reach changed everything for the sake of variety and failed miserably in comparison to its predecessors.

  • 11.28.2012 10:15 AM PDT


Posted by: XxThePeaceXx
I loved Halo 3, but going back to it just isn't the same anymore.


That might just be because South Americans run the game now, seeing as 95% of the orginal players have gone.

Posted by: XxThePeaceXx
I enjoy Halo 4 because it has that Halo taste with some new fresh ideas.


Yeah, I always loved the sharp jumps and the sprinting in the Halo series.

Posted by: XxThePeaceXx
I don't see how AA's are lame, they are a good addition that Bungie didn't implement well. 343 balanced them out really good.


I don't see how Promethean Vision is balanced or fair. Being able to see every single person on the map through any wall is not balanced/fair. The Jetpack is the same as Reach. Hiding somewhere in full Camo with Shotgun/Sword/Scattershot is also really balanced. Yes, it's obvious when it's in the open. No so obvious in built up areas.

Posted by: XxThePeaceXx
I don't see the big issue with custom loadouts, seeing as there's really only 2 options(BR or DMR).


You mean, there's nothing wrong with the fact people people can spawn with a noob combo or a 1-shot kill weapon, or you can loadout with extra ammo for any weapon that you may pick up during the game itself?

Posted by: XxThePeaceXx
Power weapons still spawn on the maps. The action is fast paced and the shooting mechanics still feel like Halo.


You mean the one weapon that spawns top mid on Ragnorak (Valhalla), which if you lose the race to makes it, unless you're playing retards, game over? Or the completely random weapon drops on the maps that can drop anything? Again, unbalanced and completely unfair. You talk out of your sphincter.

Posted by: XxThePeaceXx
Just my 2 cents. I respect your opinion and it would actually be nice to have a classic playlist to please the people who still want the old style.


Firstly, you don't respect anyone's opinion; you avoid all relevent points against your arguements and opinions against your opinions, a pick a vague answer, that frankly, doesn't answer anything.
Secondly, there is a Pro Slayer playlist which I think is the nearest anyone's going to get to a Classic Slayer playlist. Which is just Halo 4 without Armour Abilities.

But, I will ask again xXThe PeaceXx, what is better in Halo 4 than it was in Halo 3?

  • 11.28.2012 10:56 AM PDT


Posted by: F4C3 0F D34TH

Posted by: XxThePeaceXx
Well I guess you just wanted Halo to die. That playstyle isn't going to cut it anymore. Just like the old days of Arena shooters like Unreal Tournament and Quake, that style of shooter got burned out and died off. Doesn't matter how many fans of those games say they were better, fact is, those people aren't the majority. Some people never move on.

I loved Halo 3, but going back to it just isn't the same anymore. I enjoy Halo 4 because it has that Halo taste with some new fresh ideas. I don't see how AA's are lame, they are a good addition that Bungie didn't implement well. 343 balanced them out really good. I don't see the big issue with custom loadouts, seeing as there's really only 2 options(BR or DMR). Power weapons still spawn on the maps. The action is fast paced and the shooting mechanics still feel like Halo.

Just my 2 cents. I respect your opinion and it would actually be nice to have a classic playlist to please the people who still want the old style.


I couldn't care less about the game's popularity. I want a game that is skillful and competitive, and if that doesn't cater to casual gamers, so what? And no, Halo wouldn't have "died" without major alterations. All three installments of the original trilogy were some of the most successful games of all-time, and they all had similar fundamental gameplay, while Reach changed everything for the sake of variety and failed miserably in comparison to its predecessors.


You hit the nail on the head.

  • 11.28.2012 10:57 AM PDT

Just more window dressing for the casuals...and speaking of medals...why no more snipe medal? Why no more perfection medal? They have freaking medals for DISTRACTING opponents...but nothing if you dome someone anymore? WTF...

  • 11.28.2012 2:22 PM PDT

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Posted by: cameo_cream
I've spent the last two days playing Halo 4 and I've had enough. I was hoping not to see another Reach but alas, I don't get this luxury. I'm debating whether it is even worse than what Reach was. It's laughable.

Halo 3 is always going to be the smartest of the children. The bright sunspark which always shines through. It is just unfortunate it has almost met its end.....

Regardless, here's to another two years on Halo 3! Hooraah!

Who's with me?

I agree with you. However, Bungie was stupid enough to not extend the contract between them and M$. So the result is 343, and their new un-Halo-ish title called Halo 4. I'm expecting flak for this post, but I don't care.

  • 11.28.2012 2:25 PM PDT


Posted by: XxThePeaceXx
So what would you guys have done with the series? I'm so curious to see what exactly you guys want from Halo. You wanted Halo 4 to be pretty much the same as Halo2/3 with some new maps? Is that it? Cuz if that's it, then that would kill Halo and just make it another shooter that's the same as the last one. The series needs to change. Not saying H4 is perfect but I think the new features make it fresh again.



I want competitive gaming back. We are playing nothing but freaking social slayer all the time and get rewarded for losses in the form of exp that is not much less than wins? So you can level up your barbie doll armor nonsense? Reach sucked. Halo 4 is better, but the series is not going in the right direction. Gimme the good ole days of H2 and H3, some of the best freaking nights of my young gaming life...great times man.

  • 11.28.2012 2:26 PM PDT


Posted by: JunkyMonkey


You're an idiot if you think having a contract with M$ is a good thing.

  • 11.28.2012 2:29 PM PDT
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Halo 4 is worse than Reach. I've gone back tablets Reach. Still play Halo 3 occasionally. Running into full teams ruin it though.

  • 11.28.2012 4:13 PM PDT