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Subject: Already back to Halo 3

somewhere in the heavens...they are waiting. I love the Marathon Trilogy.
Halo CE will always be the best game in the Halo franchise. What a perfect game.
(Proud LONGTIME owner of the PC and Xbox versions of Halo CE)

I like Halo 4, but don't love it anywhere as near as I loved Halo 3 or any of the Original Halo games(CE through ODST).

  • 11.28.2012 10:24 PM PDT

Different Perspective

Halo 4 is another Reach. It's the most underwhelming Halo experience I've ever played. I

Multiplayer problems
-random flinches when you get shot
-if campers crouch with active camo the dots don't appear on radar.
-if campers boltshot with camo it doesn't show you charging it
-not a single classic playlist
-also spawn timer is broken in oddball and king of the hill because you can spawn on X to avoid it
-there is no incentive to navigate the map because DMR is useful almost all your lines of sights
-abandon spawns promote camping the top tower because enemy will spawn below you on open cliff side
-complex spawns promote camping top mid base
-snipers have way too much autoaim
-weapons despawn in 12 seconds so it's impossible to go get your weapons back or an enemy weapon from across the map
-custom games options suck
-you can't hold down the left stick to precision place objects or left bumper and right bumper to nudge an object in forge
-dynamic lighting stops working halfway through budget...so some of the map turns black white
-still puts Full Parties against Randoms making unfair games
-you can't change your vote
-slayer pro should not have join in progress
-can't change audio settings, music, announcer
-user interface sucks
-fileshare/tag search doesn't work (can't find maps,ect)
-color pallet is ok, but not great...lighting is great, but the atmosphere of the maps doesn't feel bright like Halo 3 or dark like Halo 2. There seems to be less attention to detail on the up close textures...for example: the waterfall on valhalla > ragnarok
-mobility tactical package is overpowerd, sprint allows way too many ridiculous escapes
-everything they did to copy cod failed

Enemy AI problems
-Banshees fly into walls and get stuck all the time
-Wraiths will not shoot you if your in a ghost and just outside its turret range. It will stand still and take damage
-Elites commonly quit fighting and stand still to take damage
-Jackals commonly strafe next to walls and get stuck to where they just twitch in place

Spartan Ops
-story is hard to follow
-Palmer is not likable and she is very one dimensional and her sarcasm is predictable at this point
-repetitive locations and only one or two are not from campaign or multiplayer...seriously The Cauldron map is the ONLY new one that I think is original

Fact
BLACK OPS 2 > HALO 4
-it's a better game and much more refined
-League Play in Bops 2 took a good feature from Halo where Halo 4 took all the stupid crap from cod.

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The gunplay itself is great, but everything I posted above negates all the work 343 did. A lot of stupid decisions were put into Halo 4. Comparing Halo 4 to Halo 3 is a disservice.

[Edited on 11.29.2012 12:25 AM PST]

  • 11.29.2012 12:05 AM PDT

In memory of those fallen in the defense of Earth and her colonies.

March 3, 2553

Many of what was posted above I agree with.

I understand no game is perfect......... but why in the world would you follow on a game that didnt do well - and somehow make it worse.

  • 11.30.2012 10:18 PM PDT

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March 3, 2553


Posted by: II gaped II

Posted by: XxThePeaceXx
So what would you guys have done with the series? I'm so curious to see what exactly you guys want from Halo. You wanted Halo 4 to be pretty much the same as Halo2/3 with some new maps? Is that it? Cuz if that's it, then that would kill Halo and just make it another shooter that's the same as the last one. The series needs to change. Not saying H4 is perfect but I think the new features make it fresh again.



the new features took away the uniqueness of halo multiplayer, took away the strategy of controlling maps/weapons, took away weapon spawns and don't get me started on how lame AA's are


This a thousand times.

  • 11.30.2012 10:25 PM PDT

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March 3, 2553


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Posted by: cameo_cream
I've spent the last two days playing Halo 4 and I've had enough. I was hoping not to see another Reach but alas, I don't get this luxury. I'm debating whether it is even worse than what Reach was. It's laughable.

Halo 3 is always going to be the smartest of the children. The bright sunspark which always shines through. It is just unfortunate it has almost met its end.....

Regardless, here's to another two years on Halo 3! Hooraah!

Who's with me?

I agree with you. However, Bungie was stupid enough to not extend the contract between them and M$. So the result is 343, and their new un-Halo-ish title called Halo 4. I'm expecting flak for this post, but I don't care.


Bungie wanted to end Halo with Halo 3, I claim this because MS forced them to make another game because it was in their contract.

  • 11.30.2012 10:29 PM PDT

I'm back to 3 as well, I hate Halo 4 and I sold my Reach to buy Halo 4 :(

  • 12.01.2012 8:54 AM PDT


Posted by: cameo_cream


They also wanted to end it with Halo 2.

  • 12.01.2012 9:01 AM PDT
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Original XbL Gamertag, zeDutchKreatiVz, as you guessed, Im Dutch/from Holland/Amsterdam.

...Also wTf happened to Halo.......*sighs*

one personal worst thing for me, is that you SEE where weapon spawns, it is soooo annoying men.

Sparta <3's Pickups.

Coincidentally , I watched the tournament thingy on Twitch where they were playing Quake....
Soooooo skillfull.

and it use to be 'Kinda' like that., Halo I mean. just the intensity you get by doing something you picture'd just moments before, and then Realizing it......
08'-09' I had that alot back then.

  • 12.01.2012 12:51 PM PDT

New Marathon? Thanks Bungie!


Posted by: cameo_cream
I've spent the last two days playing Halo 4 and I've had enough. I was hoping not to see another Reach but alas, I don't get this luxury. I'm debating whether it is even worse than what Reach was. It's laughable.

Halo 3 is always going to be the smartest of the children. The bright sunspark which always shines through. It is just unfortunate it has almost met its end.....

Regardless, here's to another two years on Halo 3! Hooraah!

Who's with me?


I fail to understand how H3 purists, despite all trailers showing that it would be similar to Reach, bought H4

  • 12.01.2012 11:28 PM PDT

We're not retreating... We're advancing, towards future victories!

JIP was too much of an issue for me. Already back on Halo 3 and Halo Wars.

  • 12.02.2012 8:18 AM PDT

#rubberdingirapids

Ordinance sucks huge donkey -blam!-

[Edited on 12.02.2012 8:56 AM PST]

  • 12.02.2012 8:56 AM PDT
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I play games for gameplay, not silly gimmicks

H3 MM warrior

Reach S7, 8 and 9 arena warrior.

H4 MM legend

Lol colonels.

H4 is nowhere near as bad as any of you make it seem. It has some problems yes, but nearly all of them are solved by having, and playing with friends.

  • 12.02.2012 9:08 AM PDT

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Posted by: Mythical Wolf

Posted by: cameo_cream


They also wanted to end it with Halo 2.


Where did you hear that?

It was supposed to be a trilogy from day one.

I seriously think you post stupid crap just for attention.

  • 12.02.2012 11:09 AM PDT

In memory of those fallen in the defense of Earth and her colonies.

March 3, 2553


Posted by: meagsIZbeast
Lol colonels.

H4 is nowhere near as bad as any of you make it seem. It has some problems yes, but nearly all of them are solved by having, and playing with friends.


Playing with friends cant solve ordinace, AA's, perks etc.

The game is fundamentally broken at its core like Reach.

  • 12.02.2012 2:51 PM PDT

In memory of those fallen in the defense of Earth and her colonies.

March 3, 2553


Posted by: Mythical Wolf

Posted by: cameo_cream


They also wanted to end it with Halo 2.


No. They were intending Halo 2 and 3 to be one game, but the story was too long and it had to be separated into two games. I guess you could say at that point they wanted to make one Halo game - but they still had a six year contract with Microsoft so another game would have followed regardless.

  • 12.02.2012 2:55 PM PDT

-Mikey

Halo 4 is more like Reach 2. So many things wrong with that game it's not even funny. And those maps... my goodness they are horrendous. I ust started playing Halo 3 again this weekend and wow! Halo 3 is still as awesome as it was in September 2007. Halo 3 is still the best and from the looks of it, will remain the best.

  • 12.02.2012 6:32 PM PDT
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I used to think H2/H3 Chief played like crap but after playing H4, I'm realizing how his jump height was really handy in 99% of my setups. His jump is so limited in Halo 4 and strafe is non-existent on Legendary. Thruster Pack must have been created to compensate, Jetpack must have been included to compensate. :/

  • 12.02.2012 10:24 PM PDT
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I play games for gameplay, not silly gimmicks

H3 MM warrior

Reach S7, 8 and 9 arena warrior.

H4 MM legend


Posted by: cameo_cream

Posted by: meagsIZbeast
Lol colonels.

H4 is nowhere near as bad as any of you make it seem. It has some problems yes, but nearly all of them are solved by having, and playing with friends.


Playing with friends cant solve ordinace, AA's, perks etc.

The game is fundamentally broken at its core like Reach.


wat?

The core of this game is one of the best of any halo game. AAs and perks may hurt it, but the gameplay itself is so smooth.

At this point everyone should realize halo isnt going backwards. Time to adapt.

  • 12.03.2012 4:24 AM PDT

Quit while your behind.


Posted by: meagsIZbeast

The core of this game is one of the best of any halo game. AAs and perks may hurt it, but the gameplay itself is so smooth.

At this point everyone should realize halo isnt going backwards. Time to adapt.

Halo 4 has the worst core of the series. There are a number of unchangable flaws that are ingrained within the game:

1. The movement inertia is high (resulting in slow movement direction changes) and there is no option to change it. That severely harms strafing which is an especially important factor in a FPS game with mechanics such as Halo.

2. The Field of View (FOV) is low (probably around 60-70 degrees), meaning you basically have tunnel vision. Again, cannot be changed and severely harms the feel of the game.

3. The HUD is awful. The additional blue lines which outline the Spartan helmet are very distracting and makes everything feel very claustrophobic and cramped.

4. The art style and color palette are hideous. The lighting effects are far too saturated and bright, playing maps like Haven could almost give you cataracts.

5. Flinching when shot cannot be disabled and has a terrible effect on gameplay.

6. Severe lack of custom options.

7. Terrible Aspect Ratio handling.

8. Sprint cannot be disabled.

9. Terrible button layout options.

These are just off the top of my head, I could go on for a long time about why Halo 4 is fundamentally flawed.

Halo is definitely going backwards because it's not building on it's foundations, it is replacing them with gimmicks and mechanics from other generic modern shooters and has now itself become just another generic, modern shooter.

[Edited on 12.03.2012 5:02 AM PST]

  • 12.03.2012 5:02 AM PDT
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I play games for gameplay, not silly gimmicks

H3 MM warrior

Reach S7, 8 and 9 arena warrior.

H4 MM legend

1. Movement is more fluid in this game than reach by a LOT. you can always increase your sens if you feel slower....

2. What? Proof? FoV feels the same to me.

3. HUD is only a little cramped, I agree. Still nothing worth getting upset over.

4. That seems to be a personal thing, as I have not had a problem with it. Stop putting personal opinions as facts.

5. flinch is necessary if there is no de scoping. Personally idc if its no descope or flinch, but you cant take away both.

6. No there isnt. Clearly you havent tried them.

7. Now you are just making things up.

8. You should complain about all AAs rather than just sprint. And regardless its a new mechanic in halo thats not going anywhere. Adapt.

9. Same layouts as H3, with one or 2 new ones. Get over yourself.

  • 12.03.2012 8:16 AM PDT
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8. Sprint cannot be disabled.
Yes it can. It's obvious you haven't played the Flood gametype.

  • 12.03.2012 8:21 AM PDT
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  • 12.03.2012 8:24 AM PDT

Take a step back with me and enjoy a taste of the bittersweet that is our current generation.

I enjoy Battlefield and Call of Duty, and Gears of War.

20 years old, manager of my family's business, aspiring officer of the law.

I love anything political.

When I play Halo 4 (very sparingly), it's 'fun', but it doesn't have the feel that the previous games had. Lack of map movement incentive and and map/weapon time/control waters down the gameplay so much. I only move around the map because I get bored and want to kill the enemies.

I was a very high level player in Reach/h3, top 1% and multiple 50s, but I have not played high level in Halo4. In my estimation, gameplay will be stagnant due to the power and range of the DMR coupled with lack of map incentive.

The exposed at every angle thing somebody stated does hold some salt, and it is a product of instant respawn. It simply isn't suitable for a Halo game.

In a perfect world, the game would have a 4 shot kill BR just like H3's but with less spread and similar predicatble recoil like Halo 4 has, a 5 shot Dmr using it's current kill speed, and other rifles which may actually serve a purpose as well as no sprint. Add POWER weapons to the maps and give personal ordinance along the lines of niche weapons like needlers, rifles in AR gametypes (there should be set starting weapons), etc.

I do like the game so to speak, but the opportunity cost against Blops 2 is just too high for me to play unless my brother or actually friends are playing.

  • 12.03.2012 8:45 AM PDT

Swag punks, fu­­ck off!


Posted by: cameo_cream
I've spent the last two days playing Halo 4 and I've had enough. I was hoping not to see another Reach but alas, I don't get this luxury.
Another Reach? Ha, that's a pretty wierd thing to say, seeing as how the majority of people say Halo 4 is almost identical to Halo 3. The only difference is tha maps and the armor abilities in my opinion.

[Edited on 12.03.2012 4:32 PM PST]

  • 12.03.2012 4:30 PM PDT

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March 3, 2553


Posted by: UndeadJon

Posted by: cameo_cream
I've spent the last two days playing Halo 4 and I've had enough. I was hoping not to see another Reach but alas, I don't get this luxury.
Another Reach? Ha, that's a pretty wierd thing to say, seeing as how the majority of people say Halo 4 is almost identical to Halo 3. The only difference is tha maps and the armor abilities in my opinion.


How is it "identical" to Halo 3? The only thing similar to it is the BR.

The gameplay is no where near Halo 3. These people need to honestly open their eyes, or go and play a game of Halo 3 and see the massive difference in gameplay.

  • 12.03.2012 5:35 PM PDT