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well here is what i think

the covenant seem to be able to reroute and rebuild ais, and did so to a forerunner ai, and thats how they know how to control forerunner tech, and why cortona seems to think its a covy ai
as for the gravemind thing and the h3 trailor, i think that gravemind corrupted her system with foreunner tech, i mean, how else could he make the arbiter and chief teleport to different locations
and i heard something about time travel and covys getting cortona and something along those lines in this thread, i never thought of that, it seems like a kind of cheesy but smart thing to think about

thats just what i think about it

  • 06.30.2006 3:57 PM PDT
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well here is what i think

the covenant seem to be able to reroute and rebuild ais, and did so to a forerunner ai, and thats how they know how to control forerunner tech, and why cortona seems to think its a covy ai
as for the gravemind thing and the h3 trailor, i think that gravemind corrupted her system with foreunner tech, i mean, how else could he make the arbiter and chief teleport to different locations
and i heard something about time travel and covys getting cortona and something along those lines in this thread, i never thought of that, it seems like a kind of cheesy but smart thing to think about

thats just what i think about it


If they had a forerunner AI, then why didn't they model all of there AI after it? This can't be right because if it is, the covy AI would be WAY better than the human AI. (which it's not)

  • 06.30.2006 4:00 PM PDT

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All there AI? since now they only had 1. 2 if you count that one.

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All there AI? since now they only had 1. 2 if you count that one.


Wait.... What? What are you talking about?

  • 06.30.2006 4:04 PM PDT

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The other AI in first strike why? wait maybe it was a copied version of this one...

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the covenant seem to be able to reroute and rebuild ais, and did so to a forerunner ai, and thats how they know how to control forerunner tech, and why cortona seems to think its a covy ai
as for the gravemind thing and the h3 trailor, i think that gravemind corrupted her system with foreunner tech, i mean, how else could he make the arbiter and chief teleport to different locations
and i heard something about time travel and covys getting cortona and something along those lines in this thread, i never thought of that, it seems like a kind of cheesy but smart thing to think about

thats just what i think about it

If they had a forerunner AI, then why didn't they model all of there AI after it? This can't be right because if it is, the covy AI would be WAY better than the human AI. (which it's not)
Well what if they just found this ai its possible but not very likely..and theres also the fact that why would a forerunner ai help they covy when the forerunner ai knows what the halos do...cause now 343 is trying to stop the covy so wouldnt the ai do the same

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the covenant seem to be able to reroute and rebuild ais, and did so to a forerunner ai, and thats how they know how to control forerunner tech, and why cortona seems to think its a covy ai
as for the gravemind thing and the h3 trailor, i think that gravemind corrupted her system with foreunner tech, i mean, how else could he make the arbiter and chief teleport to different locations
and i heard something about time travel and covys getting cortona and something along those lines in this thread, i never thought of that, it seems like a kind of cheesy but smart thing to think about

thats just what i think about it

If they had a forerunner AI, then why didn't they model all of there AI after it? This can't be right because if it is, the covy AI would be WAY better than the human AI. (which it's not)
Well what if they just found this ai its possible but not very likely..and theres also the fact that why would a forerunner ai help they covy when the forerunner ai knows what the halos do...cause now 343 is trying to stop the covy so wouldnt the ai do the same


You guys confuse me.......

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well here is what i think

the covenant seem to be able to reroute and rebuild ais, and did so to a forerunner ai, and thats how they know how to control forerunner tech, and why cortona seems to think its a covy ai
as for the gravemind thing and the h3 trailor, i think that gravemind corrupted her system with foreunner tech, i mean, how else could he make the arbiter and chief teleport to different locations
and i heard something about time travel and covys getting cortona and something along those lines in this thread, i never thought of that, it seems like a kind of cheesy but smart thing to think about

thats just what i think about it


If they had a forerunner AI, then why didn't they model all of there AI after it? This can't be right because if it is, the covy AI would be WAY better than the human AI. (which it's not)

Well, if you recall, the Covenant have copying software that introduces flaws into the copies. So they could have copied the Forerunner AI, however it would be faulty.

Also to note is the fact that the Covenant repurpose Forerunner technology, however they aren't too good at it. Once Cortana got her hands on it, she improved it immensely.

  • 06.30.2006 4:12 PM PDT

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When is 343 trying to stop the covy or stop the halos?

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well here is what i think

the covenant seem to be able to reroute and rebuild ais, and did so to a forerunner ai, and thats how they know how to control forerunner tech, and why cortona seems to think its a covy ai
as for the gravemind thing and the h3 trailor, i think that gravemind corrupted her system with foreunner tech, i mean, how else could he make the arbiter and chief teleport to different locations
and i heard something about time travel and covys getting cortona and something along those lines in this thread, i never thought of that, it seems like a kind of cheesy but smart thing to think about

thats just what i think about it


If they had a forerunner AI, then why didn't they model all of there AI after it? This can't be right because if it is, the covy AI would be WAY better than the human AI. (which it's not)

Well, if you recall, the Covenant have copying software that introduces flaws into the copies. So they could have copied the Forerunner AI, however it would be faulty.

Also to note is the fact that the Covenant repurpose Forerunner technology, however they aren't too good at it. Once Cortana got her hands on it, she improved it immensely.


I remember that. Though, didn't that use up WAY more energy when she redid it? BTW, Cortana even says that the covenent did and AMAZING job using the forerunner ship to power High Charity.

  • 06.30.2006 4:14 PM PDT
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The AI was either a Forerunner AI or a copy of Cortana. The AI on the Ascendant Justice appeared to be a copy of Cortana, with many errors due to it being made from a copy of a copy.

  • 06.30.2006 4:15 PM PDT

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How can it be a copie of cortana they never were in contact whit her?

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Posted by: halo04
How can it be a copie of cortana they never were in contact whit her?


I think it was a copy of her sister AI or something....

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Posted by: halo04
How can it be a copie of cortana they never were in contact whit her?


Well, when Cortana was mde Dr. Halsey had ONI make many clones of her brain. We are told that only survived the rpocess and was made into Cortana. It is possible that ONI lied about this, and there are other Cortana in use. And then Certain members of ONI were spying on Dr. Halsey. Maybe one of them ade a copy.

  • 06.30.2006 4:19 PM PDT

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I guesse that would be ackerson right?

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When is 343 trying to stop the covy or stop the halos? Umm...well he sided with the heretics and told arbeter,johnson and keyes where the ark is or at least was in the process of telling them..which he knows they want to stop the halos

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I believe we can rule out gravemind as him stopping Cortana's attempts to try and stop Truth from activating the halos and killing off his food would not be in his best interest.

I would place my bets on a forerunner AI that over the millenia has been somehow conformed to be subserviant to the covies. As all the covie AIs have always proven to be weak and only proven to be difficut in sort of a stalling sense. While she described this one as being overwhelming and in it's own respects a more powerful AI that is abnormally powerful for a covie construct.

Now this means one of two things, she either can correctly identify this as a covie construct, or she mislabelled this AI as a covenent one due to it's relative location and he lack of Knowledge of any other types of AIs other than human ones and limited exposure to covie ones. Becuase she never had any direct reading or further analysis of 343 she might have been able to make a more reliable judgement as to what type of AI she had encountered but as for now I am a bit scrutinous as to her reliability on this matter.

  • 06.30.2006 4:31 PM PDT
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Saying that it is a forunner AI really holds no meaning. 343 Guilty spark and Penat Tangent were AIs and all that separated them from Cortana is...
1. Their life span
2. They were physical beings rather than a memory card of some sort.

Remember in the first strike. When on the covenant repair station, she encountered an AI that seemed to be almost a copy of her core code. She later found a method of replicated her conscience. In a way, she allocated copies of her self to different tasks, like a parallel processor. My best guess is she found a human ship board AI that had been reveres engineered by the covenant and corrupted. That would explain a similar core code; in addition it would be her equal making it rather formidable.


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  • 06.30.2006 4:32 PM PDT

[quote=Rohan_Elite_Jedi]It probably is a Forerunner AI that is very powerful and perhaps insane. Maybe it is the source of the "Great Journey" BS.[/quote]


That actually sounds possible. Maybe you're right.

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Saying that it is a forunner AI really holds no meaning. 343 Guilty spark and Penat Tangent were AIs and all that separated them from Cortana is...
1. Their life span
2. They were physical beings rather than a memory card of some sort.

Remember in the first strike. When on the covenant repair station, she encountered an AI that seemed to be almost a copy of her core code. She later found a method of replicated her conscience. In a way, she allocated copies of her self to different tasks, like a parallel processor. My best guess is she found a human ship board AI that had been reveres engineered by the covenant and corrupted. That would explain a similar core code; in addition it would be her equal making it rather formidable.

The thing is, 343 GS and 2401 PT do not seem to be "smart" AIs like Cortana. They have limited abilities, which is the reason they are required to follow certain protocols. They also lack personality. A different kind of Forerunner AI could be involved here, one with similar characteristics to Cortana.

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Saying that it is a forunner AI really holds no meaning. 343 Guilty spark and Penat Tangent were AIs and all that separated them from Cortana is...
1. Their life span
2. They were physical beings rather than a memory card of some sort.

Remember in the first strike. When on the covenant repair station, she encountered an AI that seemed to be almost a copy of her core code. She later found a method of replicated her conscience. In a way, she allocated copies of her self to different tasks, like a parallel processor. My best guess is she found a human ship board AI that had been reveres engineered by the covenant and corrupted. That would explain a similar core code; in addition it would be her equal making it rather formidable.

The thing is, 343 GS and 2401 PT do not seem to be "smart" AIs like Cortana. They have limited abilities, which is the reason they are required to follow certain protocols. They also lack personality. A different kind of Forerunner AI could be involved here, one with similar characteristics to Cortana.


They lack personality?! Are you sick? They are very much smart, but are restricted by the protocol thing.

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They lack personality?! Are you sick? They are very much smart, but are restricted by the protocol thing.

Thus the quotes around "smart." As computer constructs, yes they possess a high computing capacity. However, in the books, they describe differences between "smart" AIs and "dumb" ones. For example, Wellesley, the AI that helped the other humans on Halo 04, was a "dumb" AI. He was only useful in combat situations, and lacked personality.

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They lack personality?! Are you sick? They are very much smart, but are restricted by the protocol thing.

Thus the quotes around "smart." As computer constructs, yes they possess a high computing capacity. However, in the books, they describe differences between "smart" AIs and "dumb" ones. For example, Wellesley, the AI that helped the other humans on Halo 04, was a "dumb" AI. He was only useful in combat situations, and lacked personality.


But 343 had alot of personality. Just look how he acts in Halo1.

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Yeah, like a crazy nerd!

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AI- The Covenant have been known to create AIs, thought they are always about 5 steps down from Cortana, so I don't think they would be called 'Formidable'

2- Gravemind is thought by many to be a half-machine half-flood hybrid built by the Forrunners to try to gain control of the Flood. If this theory is true, he could be called an 'AI'

  • 06.30.2006 9:50 PM PDT