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Subject: Halo 4: A Comprehensive Door Review

Thank you. At least now I know there's someone on this site who isn't brown nosing Halo 4. It seems almost every other person thought the story was the greatest thing to grace gaming. Frankly, I thought it was like you said: baddly executed. I also tried going in wanting to like it, but right about the part where we got Lord Voldemort with a grudge stronger than a teenage girls thrown into the mix, it got a bit stupid.

  • 11.09.2012 10:21 PM PDT

Posted by: Gen Petitt
ME2 was known for stupidity and being retarded


Posted by: Spirit of Ember
Ok.

Love it. Sorry, bu I laugh whenever I see someone respond "Ok." to an opinionated thread. I always thought this was insanely hilarious.

  • 11.09.2012 10:22 PM PDT

Rain, and Jazz.
Halo: Tactical

I'm either a fool or an inteligent man, depending on how sleepy or angry I am.

I originaly made an account on 07.27.2007 but I wanted to link my GT and made this account. Don't forget your passwords!

This thread is lovely. I think door has managed to express many of the flaws in this game rather eloquently.

You know what 343i could really have used? Moredoor.

  • 11.10.2012 1:11 AM PDT

Posted by: Arbiter 739
This thread is lovely. I think door has managed to express many of the flaws in this game rather eloquently.

You know what 343i could really have used? Moredoor.
One does not simply consult Mordoor!

  • 11.10.2012 1:16 AM PDT

Posted by: eggsalad
The more I say Chang the more asian it sounds.

This needs to go in the mane group.

now

[Edited on 11.10.2012 1:21 AM PST]

  • 11.10.2012 1:19 AM PDT

If you're passionate about the thing you're talking about, I'll always lend an ear.


Posted by: A Dumb Door
3. There needs to be more appreciable difference between the BR and DMR. Thus far, the BR is far superior, and the DMR is just redundant.

Errrr that is pretty far off man, pretty farrrrr off.

  • 11.10.2012 1:22 AM PDT

Posted by: ninjakenzen
Posted by: A Dumb Door
3. There needs to be more appreciable difference between the BR and DMR. Thus far, the BR is far superior, and the DMR is just redundant.
Errrr that is pretty far off man, pretty farrrrr off.
BR fires three shots. If any single one of those hits, it does full damage. DMR fires single shot. That simply does its damage. Both take equal hits to down an opponent, but one offers a higher probability of hitting the opponent with more rounds per pull. In a lab conditions scenario, the DMR wins out. In a combat scenario where errors and mistakes are common, the BR wins out. It merely increases the probability of success.

Yes, the DMR is a bit better for sniping, but Halo 4 has a lot of maps which are fairly confined, ruining the DMR's advantage of range and accuracy. The DMR is further reduced in ability from the slower rate of fire. Or at least, number of bullets in the air. Maybe the DMR would theoretically down an opponent faster if it began firing at full speed alongside a BR, but with the BR's burst, the BR simply wins out in close quarters.

Plus, the BR is really accurate anyway. When using joysticks such as the ones present on the 360 controller, there is a limit to the accuracy one can have. The graph goes like this:
At close range: BR has a noticeable advantage
Close-mid range: BR and DMR begin to intersect
Mid range: BR and DMR have fully intersected
Mid-Long range: DMR begins to get better
Long range: DMR wins out significantly
Extreme range: The BR marginally wins out.

  • 11.10.2012 1:34 AM PDT

Questions lead to learning, learning leads to kowledge, knowledge leads to understanding, understanding leads to peace.



"I would kill to get a killionaire... 10 times... digitally."

Okay, I'm just going to go into one thing that I find wrong about this, then I'm going to leave and never return. I can't have my cancer from Porch Day come back. Just typing this is putting me at risk.

The Covies freaking worship him. They call him a God. Of course they're going to fight for him. As for why he's fighting the humans, watch the Terminals. Either find them in-game or look them up on YouTube. They explain EVERYTHING about why he hated humans.

Now if you excuse me, I have to go see an oncologist.

  • 11.10.2012 1:52 AM PDT

If we disagree, it's nothing personal, opinions are opinions.
Antagonizing me to build a false sense of worth is so damn cute.

Brighten your day with science.


Posted by: A Dumb Door
Overall, the game is underwhelming, rips off Halo like crazy, and is worth the multiplayer at a reduced cost.


What do you mean "rips off halo"?

And OP needs to be informed.



[Edited on 11.10.2012 1:57 AM PST]

  • 11.10.2012 1:55 AM PDT

DMR dominates all rifles in every aspect. There's a reason the BR is rarely used.

  • 11.10.2012 1:56 AM PDT

Posted by: DE4THINC4RN4TE
Okay, I'm just going to go into one thing that I find wrong about this, then I'm going to leave and never return. I can't have my cancer from Porch Day come back. Just typing this is putting me at risk.

The Covies freaking worship him. They call him a God. Of course they're going to fight for him. As for why he's fighting the humans, watch the Terminals. Either find them in-game or look them up on YouTube. They explain EVERYTHING about why he hated humans.

Now if you excuse me, I have to go see an oncologist.
I understand the Covenant worshipping him. However, that doesn't justify his hate for humans.

As for the Terminals: yeah, games should totally not have their MAJOR PLOT POINT EXPLAINED in the main story when they aren't trying to be a big symbolic thing. Halo is not trying to be symbolic or groundbreaking in Halo 4. It's merely another in a franchise. If it were like, say 2001: A Space Odyssey, or Inception, or Bioshock, or Mass Effect, something with deep themes, symbolisms and social commentaries, it can justify requiring you to look deeper. However, it isn't that kind of game, it has no business making that kind of thing required to understand the motivation of the villain.

  • 11.10.2012 1:57 AM PDT

Posted by: DarkSunnyboy1
Posted by: A Dumb Door
Overall, the game is underwhelming, rips off Halo like crazy, and is worth the multiplayer at a reduced cost.
What do you mean "rips off halo"?

And OP needs to be informed.
Making a subtle claim that Halo 4 is not a Halo game. It's too different to be counted as a continuing game in the series.

  • 11.10.2012 1:57 AM PDT


Posted by: A Dumb Door
Posted by: DarkSunnyboy1
Posted by: A Dumb Door
Overall, the game is underwhelming, rips off Halo like crazy, and is worth the multiplayer at a reduced cost.
What do you mean "rips off halo"?

And OP needs to be informed.
Making a subtle claim that Halo 4 is not a Halo game. It's too different to be counted as a continuing game in the series.
It features Master Chief fighting aliens in a FPS. If anything, Reach should be the only cut out.

Halo CE didn't have dual wielding like Halo 2, so should we cut out Halo CE? Halo CE didn't have Drones, Brutes, or Engineers either, so I think it's safe to say we should cut out Halo CE from the games and just call it Combat Evolved >.>

  • 11.10.2012 1:59 AM PDT

While I don't agree with anything you said I respect your opinion. Nice review.

  • 11.10.2012 2:00 AM PDT

If we disagree, it's nothing personal, opinions are opinions.
Antagonizing me to build a false sense of worth is so damn cute.

Brighten your day with science.


Posted by: A Dumb Door
It's too different to be counted as a continuing game in the series.


No it isn't, every Halo has changed, and Reach is much more of a spin-off than Halo 4.

  • 11.10.2012 2:01 AM PDT

Questions lead to learning, learning leads to kowledge, knowledge leads to understanding, understanding leads to peace.



"I would kill to get a killionaire... 10 times... digitally."


Posted by: A Dumb Door
Posted by: DE4THINC4RN4TE
Okay, I'm just going to go into one thing that I find wrong about this, then I'm going to leave and never return. I can't have my cancer from Porch Day come back. Just typing this is putting me at risk.

The Covies freaking worship him. They call him a God. Of course they're going to fight for him. As for why he's fighting the humans, watch the Terminals. Either find them in-game or look them up on YouTube. They explain EVERYTHING about why he hated humans.

Now if you excuse me, I have to go see an oncologist.
I understand the Covenant worshipping him. However, that doesn't justify his hate for humans.

As for the Terminals: yeah, games should totally not have their MAJOR PLOT POINT EXPLAINED in the main story when they aren't trying to be a big symbolic thing. Halo is not trying to be symbolic or groundbreaking in Halo 4. It's merely another in a franchise. If it were like, say 2001: A Space Odyssey, or Inception, or Bioshock, or Mass Effect, something with deep themes, symbolisms and social commentaries, it can justify requiring you to look deeper. However, it isn't that kind of game, it has no business making that kind of thing required to understand the motivation of the villain.

Just got back from the Oncologist. Your post gave me terminal stage 4 brain cancer. (-_- Thanks) Seeing as I'll die anyways, I see no point in advoiding this thread anymore.

They don't literally explain, they're videos of *SPOILERS* the Didacts past and his war against humanity. They don't literally explain what happened. Also, what the heck are you going on about with symbolism. It's Halo for god's sake. It's a videogame. That you play. For fun. FFFFUUUUUUUNNNNNNNNN.

Excuse me, I have to go take some pills. *coughs*

  • 11.10.2012 2:07 AM PDT

If you're passionate about the thing you're talking about, I'll always lend an ear.


Posted by: A Dumb Door
Posted by: ninjakenzen
Posted by: A Dumb Door
3. There needs to be more appreciable difference between the BR and DMR. Thus far, the BR is far superior, and the DMR is just redundant.
Errrr that is pretty far off man, pretty farrrrr off.
BR fires three shots. If any single one of those hits, it does full damage. DMR fires single shot. That simply does its damage. Both take equal hits to down an opponent, but one offers a higher probability of hitting the opponent with more rounds per pull. In a lab conditions scenario, the DMR wins out. In a combat scenario where errors and mistakes are common, the BR wins out. It merely increases the probability of success.

Yes, the DMR is a bit better for sniping, but Halo 4 has a lot of maps which are fairly confined, ruining the DMR's advantage of range and accuracy. The DMR is further reduced in ability from the slower rate of fire. Or at least, number of bullets in the air. Maybe the DMR would theoretically down an opponent faster if it began firing at full speed alongside a BR, but with the BR's burst, the BR simply wins out in close quarters.

Plus, the BR is really accurate anyway. When using joysticks such as the ones present on the 360 controller, there is a limit to the accuracy one can have. The graph goes like this:
At close range: BR has a noticeable advantage
Close-mid range: BR and DMR begin to intersect
Mid range: BR and DMR have fully intersected
Mid-Long range: DMR begins to get better
Long range: DMR wins out significantly
Extreme range: The BR marginally wins out.

After playing Halo 4 for a few days and playing competitive matches and attaining a very high standard of play [I always go positive, single figure deaths, 2.5kd from Team Slayer alone]

I just can't agree. Yes, it sounds in theory to be better but one mistake with a BR=death where one mistake with a DMR is forgivable in a DMRvsBR fight not only that I have a faster fire rate with the DMR spammage close range.

I need to show you how it just dominates, otherwise we would just be bickering our description of how we would like it to function as opposed to how it actually function.

If you look at my service record in Waypoint you can clearly see that I'm doing something right. That would be the DMR. When I use the BR in closer mid range [the only time it can really be utilised successfully], it's always a struggle as I WILL take damage at a faster rate due to an increased abundance of close range weapons, that includes the DMR.

Accuracy and fire rate increases close range with the DMR. The same happened in Reach. But it still applies in H4 whether your interpretation above would like it to apply in "lab conditions"
Try playing War games in 4vs4 slayer.

  • 11.10.2012 2:13 AM PDT

Posted by: DE4THINC4RN4TE
Posted by: A Dumb Door
Posted by: DE4THINC4RN4TE
Okay, I'm just going to go into one thing that I find wrong about this, then I'm going to leave and never return. I can't have my cancer from Porch Day come back. Just typing this is putting me at risk.

The Covies freaking worship him. They call him a God. Of course they're going to fight for him. As for why he's fighting the humans, watch the Terminals. Either find them in-game or look them up on YouTube. They explain EVERYTHING about why he hated humans.

Now if you excuse me, I have to go see an oncologist.
I understand the Covenant worshipping him. However, that doesn't justify his hate for humans.

As for the Terminals: yeah, games should totally not have their MAJOR PLOT POINT EXPLAINED in the main story when they aren't trying to be a big symbolic thing. Halo is not trying to be symbolic or groundbreaking in Halo 4. It's merely another in a franchise. If it were like, say 2001: A Space Odyssey, or Inception, or Bioshock, or Mass Effect, something with deep themes, symbolisms and social commentaries, it can justify requiring you to look deeper. However, it isn't that kind of game, it has no business making that kind of thing required to understand the motivation of the villain.

Just got back from the Oncologist. Your post gave me terminal stage 4 brain cancer. (-_- Thanks) Seeing as I'll die anyways, I see no point in advoiding this thread anymore.

They don't literally explain, they're videos of *SPOILERS* the Didacts past and his war against humanity. They don't literally explain what happened. Also, what the heck are you going on about with symbolism. It's Halo for god's sake. It's a videogame. That you play. For fun. FFFFUUUUUUUNNNNNNNNN.

Excuse me, I have to go take some pills. *coughs*
So you just attempted to disprove my point... By further proving and agreeing with my point... Well alrighty then! That debate was easy enough!

Posted by: mojeda101
Posted by: A Dumb Door
Posted by: DarkSunnyboy1
Posted by: A Dumb Door
Overall, the game is underwhelming, rips off Halo like crazy, and is worth the multiplayer at a reduced cost.
What do you mean "rips off halo"?

And OP needs to be informed.
Making a subtle claim that Halo 4 is not a Halo game. It's too different to be counted as a continuing game in the series.
It features Master Chief fighting aliens in a FPS. If anything, Reach should be the only cut out.

Halo CE didn't have dual wielding like Halo 2, so should we cut out Halo CE? Halo CE didn't have Drones, Brutes, or Engineers either, so I think it's safe to say we should cut out Halo CE from the games and just call it Combat Evolved >.>
Portal is first person, involves shooting and action, and has futuristic technology. Why don't we call that game Halo? BECAUSE IT'S NOT THE SAME THING.

Yes, the Halo games evolved with each installment in the series, and they did it subtly. Mechanics were added and tweaked, graphics were improved, and story was expanded. If you REALLY want this point illustrated, let's look at the evolution of the Halo series (only beginning with Halo: Combat Evolved)

Halo: CE -> Halo 2:
Dual wielding added, fighting on human planets now (specifically Earth), and a couple more alien species and weapons. It still involves a future soldier Spartan with futuristic weapons fighting an alien race trying to kill humans, but there's a plot twist which happens in a way that makes sense such that they team up a bit. However, this is a gradual and tumultuous change, and is thus not enough to say it's not the same series. Graphics upped. More new weapons, but still many old weapons make a reappearance.

Halo 2 -> Halo 3
Dual wielding pulled back a little, fighting extends to more alien worlds than even Halo 2, but still involves a super soldier protagonist fighting to beat back an alien race that is working toward human extinction, but follows the same story as the previous game by having the aliens fully divided now. More new weapons, but still a bunch of the old weapons.

Halo 3 -> Halo: Reach
Because Reach is a prequel, we have to look backward. It still is canonical in story, though, so that's excusable in full. Fighting is on human worlds, Reach specifically. Dual wielding completes its arc to no longer exist. Some mechanics change, the biggest change is armor abilities, but as much as it changes the mechanics, it still very much feels like Halo. A future soldier fighting an alien menace fighting toward the extinction of the human race.

Halo: Reach -> Halo 4
We jumped a bit, so from a story aspect, starting from 3, the beginning is canonical. However, going beyond that, it no longer feels like Halo. It becomes a "bigger than you" plot with the Forerunners having claimed to have predicted the Master Chief and Cortana going far into philosophy and out of science fiction. Armor abilities retained, some slightly upgraded, no complaints. Weapons are almost all completely scrapped in favor of making each weapon have a version for the various races. Some things even feel like they've taken a step backwards. Aliens still fighting for extinction of humans, but now it's just a single guy who assumes control. The Master Chief loses his role as a super soldier in the beginning, only to clumsily resume it later on. Our protagonist has changed and assumed multiple roles rather than one like in the rest of the series. No more Flood, a major part of the rest of the games save for Reach, but there would be no canonical way to have Flood in Reach, so that one is excusable. Less emphasis on futuristic combat of the protagonist, and instead feels like the protagonist has been thrust backward in technology by a great amount. The game gives way too much of a sense of having symbolism and deep themes without actually having them. Plus, humans are far less of the concern for most of the game, either being rather annoying and getting in the way, or just playing exceedingly minor roles. Makes one wonder if the enemy is really the Covenant, who are single-minded, or the human captain, who refuses to see what's right in front of his face and fights against his own super weapon solder for dominance with no clear motivation.

So much of the focus changes in 4, the story moves from science fiction to fantasy and philosophy, and the game loses its variety of a future setting in favor of mechanics balancing. Game developers need to remember: Sometimes a weapon can be a very weak weapon canonically. It just means that the players won't use it. Who says that the plasma pistol needs to be on par with the assault rifle? It can be very weak and just never a required weapon for use. Things like that are fine if executed properly.

[Edited on 11.10.2012 2:37 AM PST]

  • 11.10.2012 2:29 AM PDT

Posted by: ninjakenzen
Posted by: A Dumb Door
Posted by: ninjakenzen
Posted by: A Dumb Door
3. There needs to be more appreciable difference between the BR and DMR. Thus far, the BR is far superior, and the DMR is just redundant.
Errrr that is pretty far off man, pretty farrrrr off.
BR fires three shots. If any single one of those hits, it does full damage. DMR fires single shot. That simply does its damage. Both take equal hits to down an opponent, but one offers a higher probability of hitting the opponent with more rounds per pull. In a lab conditions scenario, the DMR wins out. In a combat scenario where errors and mistakes are common, the BR wins out. It merely increases the probability of success.

Yes, the DMR is a bit better for sniping, but Halo 4 has a lot of maps which are fairly confined, ruining the DMR's advantage of range and accuracy. The DMR is further reduced in ability from the slower rate of fire. Or at least, number of bullets in the air. Maybe the DMR would theoretically down an opponent faster if it began firing at full speed alongside a BR, but with the BR's burst, the BR simply wins out in close quarters.

Plus, the BR is really accurate anyway. When using joysticks such as the ones present on the 360 controller, there is a limit to the accuracy one can have. The graph goes like this:
At close range: BR has a noticeable advantage
Close-mid range: BR and DMR begin to intersect
Mid range: BR and DMR have fully intersected
Mid-Long range: DMR begins to get better
Long range: DMR wins out significantly
Extreme range: The BR marginally wins out.

After playing Halo 4 for a few days and playing competitive matches and attaining a very high standard of play [I always go positive, single figure deaths, 2.5kd from Team Slayer alone]

I just can't agree. Yes, it sounds in theory to be better but one mistake with a BR=death where one mistake with a DMR is forgivable in a DMRvsBR fight not only that I have a faster fire rate with the DMR spammage close range.

I need to show you how it just dominates, otherwise we would just be bickering our description of how we would like it to function as opposed to how it actually function.

If you look at my service record in Waypoint you can clearly see that I'm doing something right. That would be the DMR. When I use the BR in closer mid range [the only time it can really be utilised successfully], it's always a struggle as I WILL take damage at a faster rate due to an increased abundance of close range weapons, that includes the DMR.

Accuracy and fire rate increases close range with the DMR. The same happened in Reach. But it still applies in H4 whether your interpretation above would like it to apply in "lab conditions"
Try playing War games in 4vs4 slayer.
Your proof:
You use the DMR in slayer and do very well.

My proof:
I use the BR in slayer and also do very well. It's not as apparent in my service record since I play a very specific niche class, but it works WAY better than the DMR for what I do. I actually lose out when I use the DMR with my playstyle.

Also, my preferred gametype is 4v4 slayer in War Games.

  • 11.10.2012 2:32 AM PDT

If I ever get AIDS, I'm going to sleep with another AIDS person so my AIDS cancel each other out, or I'm going to make the AIDS I already have worse.

Stories bad and retarded at times, there's no point to Spartan Ops, and Multiplayer is generic as every other FPS. I am disappoint.

  • 11.10.2012 2:39 AM PDT
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You make out with midgets.

WHERE IS SWAT? ME WANT SWAT PLAYLIST NAOW!

  • 11.10.2012 2:43 AM PDT

Posted by: Strider1115
WHERE IS SWAT? ME WANT SWAT PLAYLIST NAOW!
You cannot has SWAT.

  • 11.10.2012 2:44 AM PDT
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You make out with midgets.

*burns Limited Edition Halo 4*

  • 11.10.2012 2:46 AM PDT

Posted by: Strider1115
*burns Limited Edition Halo 4*
HEY

HEY

HEY

You're putting toxic fumes in the air.

  • 11.10.2012 2:48 AM PDT

"It sucking -blam!-s, it -blam!- sucks, it -blam!- blows, it's a piece of -blam!-... and I don't like it."
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My reaction to most things on the internet (points for guessing the reference)
Best.Post.Ever.
Epic Bread


Posted by: Fuzzy McDoodle
Meh, clearly a Bungie fanboy reaction. Halo 4 exceeds all expectations and blows Reach out of the water in every single aspect.
BRRRT. Wrong.

  • 11.10.2012 2:52 AM PDT

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