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Subject: Halo 4 made me realize that im not a halo fan; im a Bungie fan.

Halo 4 was good but not better than the other halo games. It didn't have a Halo feel to it. I don't like the new enemies in it. Chief looks way better in halo 3 and past Halo games. Btw, most of the helmets in Halo 4 are kinda ugly.

I'm gonna stick to Reach. However, I'm gonna stay in 4 for awhile until I rank up and grab more armor. Halo Reach is possibly the greatest game I've ever played. It's got the best campaign and multiplayer. I can't forget all good and funny
times playing infection.

[Edited on 11.13.2012 5:00 AM PST]

  • 11.13.2012 4:46 AM PDT

The Graphics: Plastic#what

  • 11.13.2012 9:46 AM PDT

What spectagon are you in?

Posted by: Honorable Sniper
Halo 4 made me realize, I dont care who is painting the picture as long as the end product is beautiful, Im happy.

Halo 4's campaign was pretty great. I dont care if Bungie didnt make it. If anything Im happy 343i was more then capable and were able to produce one of the best Halo games so far.


I agree. Although I'm a huge fan of Bungie, I enjoy halo 4 more than I did Reach.

[Edited on 11.13.2012 9:50 AM PST]

  • 11.13.2012 9:49 AM PDT

Halo 4 is not bad by any objective standard OP, so that alone makes your opinion flawed.

I too am a Bungie fan. But I'm a Halo fan first and foremost. Besides, ever since H2 (ergo: H3, ODST and Reach) Bungie showed they too weren't perfect when it comes to gamedesign. H3 was a horrible let down, ODST was good, Reach was good, but they never reached their level of CE and especially H2.

  • 11.13.2012 9:59 AM PDT

I have some pretty mixed feelings about H4 as well, but I have to stop and remember sometimes that to compare it to a Bungie product is unfair.

I think that if we were to evaluate it on it's own it would get higher scores, but 343 is up against the almost insurmountable challenge of filling Bungie's shoes. I've played through most of the campaign so far and yeah.... it's alright.

One thing that's been mentioned is that it lacks the little bits of magic and mystery that other Halos have had, I agree with that 100%. I've always walked around in the Forerunner structures looking in every corner for clues or some decipherable language that explained the great mystery of the Forerunners. What's the mystery in H4?

Despite my luke-warm feelings about the game I'm still going to play it because I want my 60$ worth of value....and Spartan Ops does look pretty cool.

  • 11.13.2012 10:13 AM PDT
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Trolls = the most ignorant souls on the internet.


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Posted by: UrDoinItWrong
halo 4 worse than reach?

HA. Thanks for the laugh buddy I needed it.


343 may have a crappy website and stats handling.. but the game is good. and the graphics.. are phenomenal.


How is it worse than Reach? At least Reach had the most balanced gameplay. With the really fast paced combat and overpowered weapons in H4... you might as well play CoD.


Um, hey dumbass, I didn't say it was worse. I was talking to the OP. thanks for playing.

  • 11.13.2012 4:28 PM PDT

I agree with you. Im a huge huge HALO fan and have been
since HALO CE came out. HALO 4 is the first HALO game that i didnt reserve and didnt get on the midnight launch, instead i waited till the next day and rented it (thankfully i did that). I feel like 343 spit in my face and laughed at me, HALO 4 is so fu#%ing stupid, i hate it, what a CALL OF DUTY rip off game. I hate the CALL OF DUTY and MODERN WARFARE games, these games are made for players that dont know how to play FPS games. 343 made HALO 4 like these games so players can get there PERKS cause they need them to kill a REAL SKILLED HALO PLAYER.

I would have never thought that HALO would become this :( The HALO franchise was a game that devoted alot of matchmaking games for me. When i first played HALO 4 it was a pretty damn sad day for me, it made me realize that HALO is done and crap now :( I am so upset about this that im ready to stop playing vids or buying the new NINTENDO and sell my XBOX 360. The way that 343 made HALO 4 would be like NINTENDO making MARIO games like SONIC THE HEDGEHOG so the SONIC fans would switch over to MARIO. THANX 343 i hate you!!!

BUNGIE I AM YOUR BIGGEST FAN, PLEASE MAKE YOUR NEW GAME NOT LIKE THE COD OR MOW GAMES. MAKE IT LIKE YOU DID HALO PLEASE, (REAL SKILLED FPS PLAYERS).

  • 11.14.2012 7:53 AM PDT


Posted by: the real Janaka
Posted by: amiran123
Oh no! How dares 343 introduce innovation to my Halos! Everything needs to stay exactly the same!
Chess has remained the same for over a thousand years. If someone wants to suddenly change the rules, they invent a new game, they don't try to pass it off as the real thing.


Bad analogy; you buy a chessboard and that's it, you don't need to buy a new model every few years. If we run with your chess allegory, you should still be playing Halo CE and nothing else.

[Edited on 11.14.2012 8:51 AM PST]

  • 11.14.2012 8:50 AM PDT


Posted by: Honorable Sniper
Halo 4 made me realize, I dont care who is painting the picture as long as the end product is beautiful, Im happy.

Halo 4's campaign was pretty great. I dont care if Bungie didnt make it. If anything Im happy 343i was more then capable and were able to produce one of the best Halo games so far.


This.

They both offer something to the franchise. I feel that 343 is better with story-telling (I've never felt as invested in a Halo Campaign as I was with 4's), and phenomenal at presentation. They have the core gameplay down easy, and the game was very polished. I think that they need to be less wary of fans, for 5, and just execute their wilder ideas. They've shown they can make a great Halo game.

[Edited on 11.14.2012 10:23 AM PST]

  • 11.14.2012 10:11 AM PDT

Haters are going to hate.
Praisers are going to praise.

The Bungie Forums are what keeps my mind sharp and my fingers active, between writing my own movie scripts, drawing, and studying industrial design. At the moment I'm working on miniatures for a short movie that I'll hopefully be able to film once I've saved up for a camera... That's me, with the mug, trying to have a conversation with Konoko.

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Posted by: the real Janaka
Posted by: amiran123
Oh no! How dares 343 introduce innovation to my Halos! Everything needs to stay exactly the same!
Chess has remained the same for over a thousand years. If someone wants to suddenly change the rules, they invent a new game, they don't try to pass it off as the real thing.
Bad analogy; you buy a chessboard and that's it, you don't need to buy a new model every few years. If we run with your chess allegory, you should still be playing Halo CE and nothing else.
If we run with my allegory we'd have a trilogy where gameplay and engine remained the same. The story would however still be able to span through its entirety. The same rules in each and every game, no reimagination or redesign, just more levels and everything that drives the story.

The trilogy would last for about six to seven years (alternatively switch between two titles, Christopher Nolan style), and when it was over, the developers could either make a spiritual successor if they weren't done with the concept, or aim for something completely new if they had tired; albeit for the moment.

That is the foundation for the ultimate trilogy taken to its extreme. Personally I would allow for a certain level of tollerance. I'd allow its elements to be refined, not redefined. Something along the lines of CE with dual wielding, boarding, and A.I capable of driving.

In Bungies case it would be six-seven years of Halo with CE's engine and gameplay, and after that a new story with what essentially would be Halo 3's gameplay and engine. We'd Have Halo 3 about the same time as we did now.

The developer could then focus on: telling the story in an as effective way as possible, level design, playtesting, and quality, and perhaps even quantity.

Such a system would respect what already exists and seeing it through to its end, yet allow one to express whatever newfound creativity one might have gathered after a reasonable amount of time.

I still return to CE once or twice every year, and will most likely continue to do so for a very long time. The same goes for masterful games such as Deus Ex, Max Payne, KotOR, Mdk, and Ninja Gaiden. Hell I'd even play Morrowind instead of its sequels. What I wan't from a trilogy is more of the same, not something new - I'd play something new if that was the case. In the case of a sequel being just as good or better, but redefined, I'll still always wonder why it didn't have a title of its own. *cough* Half-Life 2 *cough*. Halo 3 and Diablo 2 are examples of the farthest away I'm comfortable with letting a game venture.

Reviewers would have to learn that innovation shouldn't be something one forces upon a product just because of some restless arbitrary notion, or whatever. If innovation isn't applied rightfully, it's no innovation. Allow an IP to live its own life, don't rush things.

Just look at how often a series tries to go back to its roots after having failed to please with its (random number) installment; it's a freaking trend of -blams!- sake!

That's how I would do it if I had the chance. It's a bit of an eccentric view on things, but it fits with my Chess allegory.

Bungie--together with Microsoft--brought Mac and PC ideals to the consol industry, I plan on bringing motion picture ideals to it. I.e, how often do you hear a movie critic complain that a sequel didn't redefine and innovate its aleady praised style just for the sake of it? The story (environments, characters, plot, intrigue, cinematics, etc) is all that should change/continue, and it alone can stand for the refreshment.

[Edited on 11.14.2012 1:25 PM PST]

  • 11.14.2012 1:07 PM PDT

In my free time i'm a Turkish ambassador

I'm not saying Halo 4 is the best halo, but it's awesome. In the end, all i wanted was a great game that reminded me of Halo 3. And it did just that.

  • 11.14.2012 2:11 PM PDT

Active camo will work as long I can fart...... DAMN!!!! Now thats a long time!

I somewhat disagree, Sure Halo 4 is not the best Halo game around but I did enjoy the campaign, the game play was fun and the graphics do look amazing!

Only thing I wasn't too keen on was the soundtrack... I miss Marty too much!

  • 11.14.2012 3:47 PM PDT
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Frankly, I like Halo 4. In my opinion, it is well put together. Although I can see why some Halo/Bungie fans may be uncomfortable with it. It is because it doesn't have that Bungie feel. Maybe its just me, but all of the Halos before Halo 4 had some sort of essence that the latest one just couldn't capture. I love this new Halo, but the way that Bungie made everything, I think that it just couldn't get any better than that.

  • 11.14.2012 3:56 PM PDT

Posted by: Ushan
Because Muslims surgically implant organic bombs in their testicles, which in turn will be injected into women during sex, which will grow into BABY BOMBS!

Story line is meh if you get start being a nitpicker but otherwise entertaining. Graphics and gameplay are fantastic.

  • 11.14.2012 4:15 PM PDT


Posted by: the real Janaka
If we run with my allegory we'd have a trilogy where gameplay and engine remained the same. The story would however still be able to span through its entirety. The same rules in each and every game, no reimagination or redesign, just more levels and everything that drives the story.

The trilogy would last for about six to seven years (alternatively switch between two titles, Christopher Nolan style), and when it was over, the developers could either make a spiritual successor if they weren't done with the concept, or aim for something completely new if they had tired; albeit for the moment.

That is the foundation for the ultimate trilogy taken to its extreme. Personally I would allow for a certain level of tollerance. I'd allow its elements to be refined, not redefined.

The developer could then focus on: telling the story in an as effective way as possible, level design, playtesting, and quality, and perhaps even quantity.

Such a system would respect what already exists and seeing it through to its end, yet allow one to express whatever newfound creativity one might have gathered after a reasonable amount of time.


I think you're playing the wrong series.

[Edited on 11.14.2012 4:17 PM PST]

  • 11.14.2012 4:16 PM PDT

~nickel61~

No joke.
The campaign was great, multiplayer was outstanding but the link provided will possibly change your mind for playing even another second after your done with sexifying your Spartan.

BEHOLD FRIENDS:
The end of custom games..

https://forums.halowaypoint.com/yaf_postst127421_Custom-game-o ptions-are-unacceptable--343.aspx

  • 11.14.2012 5:36 PM PDT

Expressing my strong liberal views without shame. Favorite quotes below:

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."
"One starts to live when he can live outside himself."

- Albert Einstein

Are you sure you didn't just describe Reach?

I'm a Halo fan (still am with Halo 4), and I am open to becoming a passionate Bungie fan again. But Bungie gave me some sour grapes with Halo: Reach.

  • 11.14.2012 7:53 PM PDT

Wouldn't go as far as to calling it the worst game of all time, but I do agree with some of your opinions. No TrueSkill in the multiplayer, the story WAS mediocre, but I still liked the way they tried to bring some things back. It wasn't THAT bad.
...was it?

  • 11.14.2012 7:59 PM PDT

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