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Posted by: Vashkey
How can I compare a dev that has only developed one game to one that has developed, like, fifteen?

Save your breath, they wont hear a word.

The reachtards dont understand it is the reach engine.
The very engine thet their prized bungie developed.

In effect their hate on H4 is actually a statement on the failure of reach. The original game failed within two weeks of launch ... and if H4 fails (as we await the stats) then the reach engine has failed again.

How proud must bungie be.

  • 11.14.2012 3:29 AM PDT

R.I.P CrunchyBoi 22 (old profile)

343 for multiplayer, bungee for everything else/my opinion

  • 11.16.2012 10:50 AM PDT

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Posted by: TH3_AV3NG3R
What house has a rocket pod, has legs, and has a long narrow barrel that probably shoots something powerful?

Sounds like you're describing the lower half of my body, actually.


Posted by: Oh GodLike One
Posted by: Vashkey
How can I compare a dev that has only developed one game to one that has developed, like, fifteen?

Save your breath, they wont hear a word.

The reachtards dont understand it is the reach engine.
The very engine thet their prized bungie developed.

In effect their hate on H4 is actually a statement on the failure of reach. The original game failed within two weeks of launch ... and if H4 fails (as we await the stats) then the reach engine has failed again.

How proud must bungie be.

Good one but it has nothing to do with the engine. I just don't like custom loadouts and pointstreaks.

  • 11.16.2012 10:52 AM PDT
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Posted by: Kira Onime
Also the AR is actually good in CQB now and no longer a glorified baseball bat.


Posted by: Oh GodLike One
MR E0S
waht are u doing
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stahp

  • 11.16.2012 11:50 AM PDT

Vote for me for a free cookie.

There is no way this thread could ever be biased

  • 11.16.2012 5:26 PM PDT

343 turned Halo into Call of Duty.

The graphics are just camera tricks.
People are going crazy saying they're beautiful with so much detail and oh boy! :D

They are not.
Zoom up on a wall, and you'll see pixels and grain and a blurry mess.

Zoom up on something Bungie made.
You'll see details.
Details loving squeezed into there because, this is a universe. A real world to them.

If you own Halo Reach, then you should go right now and go into forge and spawn a ghost.
Then, zoom up, really close on the smooth rounded purple front of it. Or anywhere really.
You'll see these small little scratches all along the edge of it. Scratch that look completely real.
It was something as dumb as those scratches that dedicated me to bungie games.
Yes, I play other companies games too. But, if bungie makes one, I have 100% faith they'll put the love and devotion they do to all the Halo games.

343 murdered Halo. They made instant respawns and kill cams (hello call of duty), And LOADOUTS.
What the heck is that?! Loadouts? Really 343?
That is NOT what Halo is about. That is NEVER what Halo has been about. So WHY in the HELL are you putting loadouts in Bungies game?
The point of Halo, is that everyone is equal.
Skill sets everyone apart. Whether it's timing out weapon spawns or out dmr'ing someone.
It is about, skill.

Then 343 comes around, and makes Halo more "user friendly for beginners".
WHAT? And since when do we have Ordinance? What the hell is that about?
If you do not already know, if you get a certain amount of 'points' (Not kills, those don't matter anymore['sup COD]) you get this thing called "Ordinance". Where you can get an item, whether an overpowered weapon or health or ammo or blahblah, Delivered RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU.
WHAT?!

Why. Why is the necessary?
And the best part is, you can do it anywhere. Even if it's indoors.
Because it teleports to you.
In a swirly sparkly, almost "Beam me up scotty" kind of way.
Since when did we have teleportation in the Halo universe?
I remember in ODST, we used 'drop pods' to get to the surface of a planet.
Why didn't they all just teleport! Saves some time and less risk of an EXPLOSION setting you off course.

Oh, and lets talk about my very FAVORITE part of this game.
PERKS! :D
Oh yay! That's totally Halo, right?
Not maybe.. COD or anything, but Halo is totally long overdue for perks. Of course. Because Bungie not jumping up on the bandwagon before, means "Hey, lets make this game the BIGGEST SELLOUT POSSIBLE".
Sound good? Not really actually.. No.

What else did 343 take out... Hmmm..
OH. In forge.
343 put shadows in there. I like that. Woo! 343 did something right yay!
When you place an object, it affects the shadows around it, and makes the environmental look actually affected. That's good. And magnets are pretty cool too, it makes objects snap together. And you can change gravity in certain areas, and also, you can copy things instantly by pressing down on the d pad, which is good if you wanna spam a bunch of propane ta- Oh wait, they removed those.

Now let me list some things they've ruined.
1. You can't go slowly by pressing the left control stick, for precision movement.

2. You can't zoom in build mode

3. The maps they give you, are barely editable. There's only like, 2 maps you can forge on. And they're both dark.

4. You stop moving when you get out of forge mode into player mode. So you can't fling yourself into a wall, or accross the map anymore. And part of the reason people loved forge so much, was it felt like a sandbox shooter with a bunch of gods running around.

They stripped it of its charm.

Lets see what else.

The player models, and armor.
They did a HORRIBLE job with the armor.
Everything looks like action figures now.
Bungie did an amazing job making our armor look badass.
343 did a good job of massing a million alterations that look dumb.

Lemme show you how I look on both the games, and why don't you tell me which one looks better. One from 343's website, and one from bungie.

Bungie

343

I think those speak for themselves.
Without the camera effects or fog or lighting tricks 343 uses to mask their lack of detail, you can clearly see the lack of "giving a -blam!-" they've shown to crafting these characters.


343 didn't put the love bungie would've. They just manufactured a money making game to squeeze Master Chief till he's dry.

There's so much more I could complain about, like the story being horrible and terribly written. And not 1 one liner from master chief.
The most cliche badass you could have, and no one liners.

I'm gonna get on to my last complaint though.
The "Limited Edition" pack, which is the highest pack you can get for Halo 4.

I personally pre ordered for this, because I run a gaming clan devoted to Halo.
I didn't have the highest hopes for 343 (Wonder why).
And when they added "SUPER SLAYER" to Halo, I knew it was downhill from there.

Lets see...
Remember Halo Reach: Legendary edition? I remember it cost about 50$ more than Halo 4: Limted edition.

This is what came in the box...
Halo Reach Legendary


Now lets see, Halo 4 limited edition which cost 100$
Halo 4 Limited edition

Beautiful paper, isn't it?
I was PISSED when I got this crap...
Everything you get is in game content. All of that paper, are codes you use to get in game crap. To make you play more. Because that's all that really matters, Right? Oh, and don't forget the "special pass" to watch an independent Halo series you can find on youtube!

Even the inside of the case has an advertisement of the company who made it. 343 probably got a big cash settlement for that too.

Maybe you think I sound like a bungie fanboy who would say they've never done anything wrong, right?
Well let me take a moment to prove you wrong.

There are some mistakes bungie has made over the years, and here's a couple.

1. Armor lock
2. Master chief (Unoriginal and cliche action character)
3. Firefight
4. Never added new armor or items in forge

I honestly can't think of more right now. Maybe later?

Oh, and Halo 4 also has a slight auto aim.
AWESOME RIGHT?
BOOM HEADSHOTZ

343, if a dreadful spinoff of what the first Halo was.
And then Halo grew, and transformed into a mature, deepli game. With intelligence and strategy and replayability and an amazing online mulitplayer.

And 343, came along and undid all that "Growing up" Halo did, and added more explosions.
They're that cliche, unitelligent company that comes along, and says "Needs more EXPLOSIONS wooo! Testosterone! DEATH KILL KILL BOOM, ADRENALINE ACTION PACKED WOOO EXTREMMEE".

They're the death of Halo.
Halo was never meant to have perks, or loadouts, or ordinance, or instant respawns, or kill cams, or a crappy limited edition or.. Well you get the point.

Bungie put so much love into Halo to have to see their child sellout and become a whore like this.

Halo Reach till the end <3




[Edited on 11.16.2012 6:48 PM PST]

  • 11.16.2012 6:40 PM PDT

..And I'm gonna round my f.ucks given up to 0.


Posted by: DandoCommando


Had some good points but they were outweighed by what seemed to me like biased fanboyism.

  • 11.16.2012 7:17 PM PDT

Posted by: DandoCommando
Halo Reach till the end <3


You know, you had something good until this...

Why'd you have to spoil it?

  • 11.16.2012 7:29 PM PDT

Posted by: TH3_AV3NG3R
Good one but it has nothing to do with the engine. I just don't like custom loadouts and pointstreaks.

Know what you are saying ... many have tried to compare the loadouts to COD ... but it is far from a COD game.

COD is a better structured series in every way. From the simple things like spawn point mapping through to actual useful loadouts.

Expect the who rant ... but rather than compare individual opinions, just look at the online numbers.

Funny thing with the loadouts though ... mine keep dropping off. Nothing worse than going to deploy an ability to find it is not there, that your loadouts have been reset to the default. Add that to a MM system which does not respect regions nor experience (end up with a level 1 playing against a level 50, and from opposite points on the globe - how is that fun).

Already the frustration with the game is showing.
Players have started team killing, or just going AFK. Even COD built in a cure for AFK players :(

  • 11.16.2012 8:44 PM PDT

http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2010/312/3/4/remember_reach _by_shadowstar117-d32fj5n.png

[Edited on 11.16.2012 9:14 PM PST]

  • 11.16.2012 8:56 PM PDT

Posted by: x Foman123 x

Posted by: TH3_AV3NG3R
What house has a rocket pod, has legs, and has a long narrow barrel that probably shoots something powerful?

Sounds like you're describing the lower half of my body, actually.


Posted by: Oh GodLike One
Posted by: TH3_AV3NG3R
Good one but it has nothing to do with the engine. I just don't like custom loadouts and pointstreaks.

Know what you are saying ... many have tried to compare the loadouts to COD ... but it is far from a COD game.

COD is a better structured series in every way. From the simple things like spawn point mapping through to actual useful loadouts.

Expect the who rant ... but rather than compare individual opinions, just look at the online numbers.

Funny thing with the loadouts though ... mine keep dropping off. Nothing worse than going to deploy an ability to find it is not there, that your loadouts have been reset to the default. Add that to a MM system which does not respect regions nor experience (end up with a level 1 playing against a level 50, and from opposite points on the globe - how is that fun).

Already the frustration with the game is showing.
Players have started team killing, or just going AFK. Even COD built in a cure for AFK players :(

Yeah but that has nothing to do with the Reach engine just more reasons why 343 sucks. I mean how the -blam!- do you not put a feature like "good connection" in a game when they had it in the last one?

Whatever already traded Halo 4 in so I don't even know why I am discussing it.

  • 11.17.2012 12:19 AM PDT
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Bungie, come on we all know 343I is trying to grab money by casualising halo more than reach and trying to make halo 4 like cod.

Halo reach failed but bungie would have made halo 4 like halo 3 and previous halo's if bungie made halo 4.

343I ended up making halo 4 worse than reach and more "codified" in my opinion!

  • 11.17.2012 12:38 AM PDT

Posted by: TH3_AV3NG3R
Yeah but that has nothing to do with the Reach engine just more reasons why 343 sucks. I mean how the -blam!- do you not put a feature like "good connection" in a game when they had it in the last one?

Option was there in reach - but never worked :(

Can still see the new facelifted reach dying the same death as the original. I can understand 343 thinking "we have to bring a game out before the heat goes of Halo" ... but to be honest I think trying to re-work reach was a big mistake.
Reach sucked, and 343 fell into bungies trap by trying to re-use it.


Posted by: TH3_AV3NG3R
Whatever already traded Halo 4 in so I don't even know why I am discussing it.
Getting close to the same point, plus waited to long with reach - now stuck with it as local game shops wont accept it on a trade anymore (already have too much stock they cant move). Its sad ... want to like it, but its only a little better than reach ... and thats not enough, espec with so many other great titles out at the moment.

Only winner here is bungie, got to sink the halo brand.

  • 11.17.2012 4:54 AM PDT

Reach sucked, and 343 fell into bungies trap by trying to re-use it.


Um, I'm sorry? But what?

Listen here. Maybe if you had some sort of Halo record on your profile, I'd respect your opinion.
But, you're just a trolling -blam!-tard who thinks he "Makez gud opinionz bi being a complt rebel aganst da crowdz.

So dous and bungie a favor, and get off their website if this is the opinion you have of them. Why are you here?

Reach was an incredible game. Sorry if all your not playing it made that hard to comprehend for you.

Oh, and don't say "Well derp, this is another account", Because the one you're on is almost 4 years old.
I can't believe someone without even the slightest reach record is saying these things like he's an expert.
Reading articles on the intranetz does not make you the -blam!- ing sherlock holmes of the gaming world.

[Edited on 11.17.2012 8:28 AM PST]

  • 11.17.2012 8:25 AM PDT

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Posted by: DandoCommando


#1 unofficial B.net rule : If you're arguing with someone lacking a service record, assume they are better than you in every possible way.

You'll be correct 99% of the time.

  • 11.17.2012 8:46 AM PDT

Easter Egg Hunter. Apprentice Tricker/Glitcher (learning from Grumpy and Sliding Ghost).

Trying to get Waypoint to update Halo 3 stats in detail like here. Now no one can see that my Halo 3 Spartan no longer looks like my Reach Spartan.

Really want to be a Heroic member or have a title. :/



Posted by: DandoCommando
343 turned Halo into Call of Duty.
The graphics are just camera tricks.
People are going crazy saying they're beautiful with so much detail and oh boy! :D

They are not.
Zoom up on a wall, and you'll see pixels and grain and a blurry mess.
Zoom up on something Bungie made.
You'll see details.
Details loving squeezed into there because, this is a universe. A real world to them.
If you own Halo Reach, then you should go right now and go into forge and spawn a ghost.
Then, zoom up, really close on the smooth rounded purple front of it. Or anywhere really.
You'll see these small little scratches all along the edge of it. Scratch that look completely real. It was something as dumb as those scratches that dedicated me to bungie games.
Yes, I play other companies games too. But, if bungie makes one, I have 100% faith they'll put the love and devotion they do to all the Halo games.
343 murdered Halo. They made instant respawns and kill cams (hello call of duty), And LOADOUTS.
What the heck is that?! Loadouts? Really 343?
That is NOT what Halo is about. That is NEVER what Halo has been about. So WHY in the HELL are you putting loadouts in Bungies game?
The point of Halo, is that everyone is equal.
Skill sets everyone apart. Whether it's timing out weapon spawns or out dmr'ing someone.
It is about, skill.
Then 343 comes around, and makes Halo more "user friendly for beginners".
WHAT? And since when do we have Ordinance? What the hell is that about?
If you do not already know, if you get a certain amount of 'points' (Not kills, those don't matter anymore['sup COD]) you get this thing called "Ordinance". Where you can get an item,whether an overpowered weapon or health or ammo or blahblah, Delivered RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU.
WHAT?!
Why. Why is the necessary?
And the best part is, you can do it anywhere. Even if it's indoors.
Because it teleports to you.
In a swirly sparkly, almost "Beam me up scotty" kind of way.
Since when did we have teleportation in the Halo universe?
I remember in ODST, we used 'drop pods' to get to the surface of a planet.
Why didn't they all just teleport! Saves some time and less risk of an EXPLOSION setting you off course.
Oh, and lets talk about my very FAVORITE part of this game.
PERKS! :D
Oh yay! That's totally Halo, right?
Not maybe.. COD or anything, but Halo is totally long overdue for perks. Of course. Because Bungie not jumping up on the bandwagon before, means "Hey, lets make this game the BIGGEST SELLOUT POSSIBLE".
Sound good? Not really actually.. No.
What else did 343 take out... Hmmm..
OH. In forge.
343 put shadows in there. I like that. Woo! 343 did something right yay!
When you place an object, it affects the shadows around it, and makes the environmental look actually affected. That's good. And magnets are pretty cool too, it makes objects snap together. And you can change gravity in certain areas, and also, you can copy things instantly by pressing down on the d pad, which is good if you wanna spam a bunch of propane ta- Oh wait, they removed those.
Now let me list some things they've ruined.
1. You can't go slowly by pressing the left control stick, for precision movement.

2. You can't zoom in build mode

3. The maps they give you, are barely editable. There's only like, 2 maps you can forge on. And they're both dark.
4. You stop moving when you get out of forge mode into player mode. So you can't fling yourself into a wall, or accross the map anymore. And part of the reason people loved forge so much, was it felt like a sandbox shooter with a bunch of gods running around.
They stripped it of its charm.

Lets see what else.
The player models, and armor.
They did a HORRIBLE job with the armor.
Everything looks like action figures now.
Bungie did an amazing job making our armor look badass.
343 did a good job of massing a million alterations that look dumb.
Lemme show you how I look on both the games, and why don't you tell me which one looks better. One from 343's website, and one from bungie.

Bungie

343
I think those speak for themselves.
Without the camera effects or fog or lighting tricks 343 uses to mask their lack of detail, you can clearly see the lack of "giving a -blam!-" they've shown to crafting these characters.

343 didn't put the love bungie would've. They just manufactured a money making game to squeeze Master Chief till he's dry.
There's so much more I could complain about, like the story being horrible and terribly written. And not 1 one liner from master chief.
The most cliche badass you could have, and no one liners.
I'm gonna get on to my last complaint though.
The "Limited Edition" pack, which is the highest pack you can get for Halo 4.

I personally pre ordered for this, because I run a gaming clan devoted to Halo.
I didn't have the highest hopes for 343 (Wonder why).
And when they added "SUPER SLAYER" to Halo, I knew it was downhill from there.

Lets see...
Remember Halo Reach: Legendary edition? I remember it cost about 50$ more than Halo 4: Limted edition.
This is what came in the box...
Halo Reach Legendary


Now lets see, Halo 4 limited edition which cost 100$
Halo 4 Limited edition
Beautiful paper, isn't it?
I was PISSED when I got this crap...
Everything you get is in game content. All of that paper, are codes you use to get in game crap. To make you play more. Because that's all that really matters, Right? Oh, and don't forget the "special pass" to watch an independent Halo series you can find on youtube!

Even the inside of the case has an advertisement of the company who made it. 343 probably got a big cash settlement for that too.
Maybe you think I sound like a bungie fanboy who would say they've never done anything wrong, right?
Well let me take a moment to prove you wrong.

There are some mistakes bungie has made over the years, and here's a couple.
1. Armor lock
2. Master chief (Unoriginal and cliche action character)
3. Firefight
4. Never added new armor or items in forge
I honestly can't think of more right now. Maybe later?

Oh, and Halo 4 also has a slight auto aim.
AWESOME RIGHT?
BOOM HEADSHOTZ
343, if a dreadful spinoff of what the first Halo was.
And then Halo grew, and transformed into a mature, deepli game. With intelligence and strategy and replayability and an amazing online mulitplayer.

And 343, came along and undid all that "Growing up" Halo did, and added more explosions.
They're that cliche, unitelligent company that comes along, and says "Needs more EXPLOSIONS wooo! Testosterone! DEATH KILL KILL BOOM, ADRENALINE ACTION PACKED WOOO EXTREMMEE".
They're the death of Halo.
Halo was never meant to have perks, or loadouts, or ordinance, or instant respawns, or kill cams, or a crappy limited edition or.. Well you get the point.

Bungie put so much love into Halo to have to see their child sellout and become a whore like this.

Halo Reach till the end <3


I agree mostly. I really like 343i but they went in the wrong direction with Halo. They focused too much on the approval of new fans and gaining CoD players than focusing on the needs and wants of the veterans and Halo community. But you can't really blame them. Its their first game. I have a feeling that Halo 5 will redeem the Reclaimer trilogy.

  • 11.17.2012 10:50 AM PDT

Posted by: DandoCommando
Listen here. Maybe if you had some sort of Halo record on your profile, I'd respect your opinion.
lol ... except your kind jumps straight to the service record ... ignore anything being posted, it only comes down to stats. You would be jelly to the max, just rage against the stats - but with reach (and H4) the only thing stats equate to is how many game you have played ... or hell how many you may have gone afk in.

Posted by: DandoCommando
So dous and bungie a favor
mmm, attempting to sound french it not going to help your actual IQ - lol.

Posted by: DandoCommando
Reach was an incredible game.
wow ... so close to actually stating some factual reasons. Keep trying, sure you will get there

Posted by: DandoCommando
Because the one you're on is almost 4 years old.
and yours is only 2 months - does that mean that your last troll account got banned and you had to make another?!?
What is your point here?!?


In hope that you may want to make an actual point.
Please provide proof that H4 was NOT made using the reach engine ... or proof that bungie did NOT develop the reach engine. The bottom line is that 343 made the call to get another game to market in the shortest time possible.

Why? To hopefull reverse the flood of gamers moving away from halo since reach. To develop a new engine and the game framework would have added years ... hence we have H4 using the reach engine.

Look at the gamer drop rate in reach. First Halo game to drop from #1 position within 2 weeks of launch. Now, go look at H4 numbers, already in free fall.

Why would bungie make such a crap awful engine like reach?
- are they just plain dumb (and got luck with H1 & H3)?
- or did they go less that all out (knowing they would have to compete against this same engine if/when they release their new title)?

  • 11.17.2012 7:27 PM PDT

343 has done nothing but ruin the halo multiplayer experience and it started when they took over reach.

  • 11.18.2012 1:49 AM PDT


Posted by: Kira Onime

Posted by: DandoCommando


#1 unofficial B.net rule : If you're arguing with someone lacking a service record, assume they are better than you in every possible way.

You'll be correct 99% of the time.
or they are just bad but better than the average player.

  • 11.18.2012 1:50 AM PDT

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