- anton1792
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"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum
In writing out that stupid imitation of a post you not only completely missed my point but revealed how much of an infantile poster you truly are. I don't even know what the hell that hopeless quagmire was trying to put across but I'll do my best to decipher it.
Posted by: Wolverfrog
I'm not going to get in a pissing war with you over this, even though I'm sure you'll unzip your trousers and let loose anyway.
Poisoning the well much? Just like the ad Hominem attack, this is the last refuge of losers. You don't get to make quips like this when your argument was about as substantial as a meringue and did not even land in the same zip code as the point I was making.
Posted by: Wolverfrog
Was that earlier supposed to be a point on the assumption that I'm a fan of Karen Traviss?
It is on the assumption that you, like Karen Traviss, have a flagrant disregard for the core identity of the Halo series which you are so quick to trample, condescendingly shooting off remarks pointing out how inferior and simple-minded the series is which I find to be an implicit and smugly arrogant statement about people who were content with it before.
Posted by: Wolverfrog
Some people just want an Ender's Game rip-off with Halo stuffed as full as it can be upon every page turn and cutscene with action, clear-cut morality and a naive optimism that every idiot thinks is objectively superior to stories sitting on the actual-realistic side of the sliding scale as opposed to opaque sensibilities that would make even Starship Troopers blush.
Which I would admittedly suffer through any time over petty misanthropic and masochistic nonsense, contrived and spontaneously driven plots and undynamic characters set in a flat setting with almost no potential for future expansion. At least in that concept you outlined there, it merely exists in the Halo fiction rather than attacking it, regardless of how rubbish you purport it to be.
Also, nice strawman. In trying to imitate my post you missed the fact that I was stating that the Halo series was better off actually staying true to the themes and tone that has defined it for a decade rather than going down some other path that is considered to be "better" by no other virtue besides the fact that it is "dark and gritty". None of the things you mentioned is what I am arguing from.
Posted by: Wolverfrog
Flies both ways.
You missed my point again. It doesn't fly both ways, because you didn't state that Halo's core identity can change whilst still being considered the same thing, or even shown that it has not changed.
Posted by: Wolverfrog
For your information, I've read every Halo book, perused all the extended material and played every game. I didn't discover the series until 2008, but that was long before 343i was even established - I fell in love with the series as it was under Bungie, and I still love what they did - even Nylund's work I find enjoyable, having read it all again recently. I enjoyed Halo when it was simple black/white morality, and even the 'ideal-realism' to a certain extent - I've written well over a thousand pages of Halo fan fiction set in the universe created pre-343i.
I don't see how that justifies your trampling of it now, unless you are saying here that you have essentially just been trolling all along and haven't meant any of it. However you probably do mean it. Tossing away pieces of the canon to shoehorn in new "interpretations" necessarily requires that to be true. Your strawman representation of the overview of the Halo series above as an "Ender's Game rip-off with Halo stuffed as full as it can be upon every page turn and cutscene with action, clear-cut morality and a naive optimism" basically renders your post self-refuting.
Posted by: Wolverfrog
But I'm not so obstinate as to decry every thematic shift, especially in light of the fact that the franchise has changed hands, to a group of people who clearly interpret the universe in a very different way to Bungie's - that isn't a flaw on their part, it's a characteristic of the Halo Universe that makes it so appealing; it can be viewed in so many ways and was done so long before Bungie bequeathed their gem.
343i's "interpretations" are iconoclastic. That's the difference. Their studio was made to continue Halo, and that is what they say they are doing. Not to redefine it, which is what they are actually doing. I don't care about different studios and different creators. If they want to make something so radically different thematically then they should have created a new game universe altogether rather than slapping Halo logos all over it.
Posted by: Wolverfrog
But again, to reflect your question back, why ARE you still here? You clearly dislike where the Halo universe has gone, and I can't see Bungie wrestling it back from 343i any time soon.
Find something else.
I stick around in the hopes that this isn't final and that the franchise that I have followed for over a decade isn't going to be totally defaced by so called fans. Thankfully I don't think it will, just because of how massively unpopular it is with many, many people. That's on the assumption that 343i are not utterly uncaring about the idea of the care and support of their lore fanbase evaporating almost entirely.