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Subject: If spartan ops is 6 months after the campaign...WTF is MC doing?

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

He joins his dear friend, Jacob Taylor - sitting on a beach in Rio doing nothing, waiting for the Precursors to come back.

  • 11.13.2012 2:41 PM PDT

I am alpha, i am omega.

I am the last of the primes.


Posted by: ajw34307
He joins his dear friend, Jacob Taylor - sitting on a beach in Rio doing nothing, waiting for the Precursors to come back.

By the gods what if Fem Shepard meets Commander Palmer???

  • 11.13.2012 3:06 PM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.


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Posted by: ajw34307
He joins his dear friend, Jacob Taylor - sitting on a beach in Rio doing nothing, waiting for the Precursors to come back.

By the gods what if Fem Shepard meets Commander Palmer???


And Harbinger gets together with the Didact. O_O

  • 11.13.2012 3:14 PM PDT

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Posted by: PhyscoRaiderS97
Not sure there, "6 months after the Campaign" was a horrible cover up. To me it doesn't feel like part of the story, I like the fact they have episodes and stuff about the Spartan IV's but they should've done it before the Campaign perhaps. Too show the Spartan IV's in action, so you know who they are. Afterwards is pointless, cba to follow the storyline really thinking about the Chief and Cortana is too intense.
It feels like the side planets one can land on in the first Mass Effect. It drives parts of the story, but does so effectively and superfluously.

  • 11.13.2012 3:15 PM PDT


Posted by: the real Janaka
Posted by: PhyscoRaiderS97
Not sure there, "6 months after the Campaign" was a horrible cover up. To me it doesn't feel like part of the story, I like the fact they have episodes and stuff about the Spartan IV's but they should've done it before the Campaign perhaps. Too show the Spartan IV's in action, so you know who they are. Afterwards is pointless, cba to follow the storyline really thinking about the Chief and Cortana is too intense.
It feels like the side planets one can land on in the first Mass Effect. It drives parts of the story, but does so effectively and superfluously.


That was the exact parallel I had in mind when playing Spartan Ops. It really is.

  • 11.13.2012 3:18 PM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


Posted by: Wolverfrog

Posted by: PhyscoRaiderS97
Not sure there, "6 months after the Campaign" was a horrible cover up. To me it doesn't feel like part of the story, I like the fact they have episodes and stuff about the Spartan IV's but they should've done it before the Campaign perhaps. Too show the Spartan IV's in action, so you know who they are. Afterwards is pointless, cba to follow the storyline really thinking about the Chief and Cortana is too intense.


Some interesting things, though. We know Covenant asylum seekers are on Earth. We know New Phoenix is still under quarantine six months after the Didact hit it (which makes me think the UNSC/UEG are citing a virus-outbreak rather than telling the general population the truth about the Forerunners/Composer.) There's also the mysterious artefact found at the end of episode one, and the very fact that the UNSC seems to be trying to secure Requiem as it has Trevelyan, whereas the New-Covenant seem to be squatting there, probably waiting for the Didact to return.

I agree that the story could be better, but it's doing it's job and is a nice incentive to play the missions every week.


When was all this mentioned?

Covenant living on Earth? The quarantine?

  • 11.13.2012 3:44 PM PDT

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Posted by: Wolverfrog

Posted by: PhyscoRaiderS97
Not sure there, "6 months after the Campaign" was a horrible cover up. To me it doesn't feel like part of the story, I like the fact they have episodes and stuff about the Spartan IV's but they should've done it before the Campaign perhaps. Too show the Spartan IV's in action, so you know who they are. Afterwards is pointless, cba to follow the storyline really thinking about the Chief and Cortana is too intense.


Some interesting things, though. We know Covenant asylum seekers are on Earth. We know New Phoenix is still under quarantine six months after the Didact hit it (which makes me think the UNSC/UEG are citing a virus-outbreak rather than telling the general population the truth about the Forerunners/Composer.) There's also the mysterious artefact found at the end of episode one, and the very fact that the UNSC seems to be trying to secure Requiem as it has Trevelyan, whereas the New-Covenant seem to be squatting there, probably waiting for the Didact to return.

I agree that the story could be better, but it's doing it's job and is a nice incentive to play the missions every week.


When was all this mentioned?

Covenant living on Earth? The quarantine?

Spartan Ops Ep. 1 Cinematic.

  • 11.13.2012 3:50 PM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


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Posted by: spartain ken 15

Posted by: Wolverfrog

Posted by: PhyscoRaiderS97
Not sure there, "6 months after the Campaign" was a horrible cover up. To me it doesn't feel like part of the story, I like the fact they have episodes and stuff about the Spartan IV's but they should've done it before the Campaign perhaps. Too show the Spartan IV's in action, so you know who they are. Afterwards is pointless, cba to follow the storyline really thinking about the Chief and Cortana is too intense.


Some interesting things, though. We know Covenant asylum seekers are on Earth. We know New Phoenix is still under quarantine six months after the Didact hit it (which makes me think the UNSC/UEG are citing a virus-outbreak rather than telling the general population the truth about the Forerunners/Composer.) There's also the mysterious artefact found at the end of episode one, and the very fact that the UNSC seems to be trying to secure Requiem as it has Trevelyan, whereas the New-Covenant seem to be squatting there, probably waiting for the Didact to return.

I agree that the story could be better, but it's doing it's job and is a nice incentive to play the missions every week.


When was all this mentioned?

Covenant living on Earth? The quarantine?

Spartan Ops Ep. 1 Cinematic.


When did they say covies were living on Earth? I need to re-watch the cinematic.

  • 11.13.2012 3:55 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

In writing out that stupid imitation of a post you not only completely missed my point but revealed how much of an infantile poster you truly are. I don't even know what the hell that hopeless quagmire was trying to put across but I'll do my best to decipher it.

Posted by: Wolverfrog
I'm not going to get in a pissing war with you over this, even though I'm sure you'll unzip your trousers and let loose anyway.

Poisoning the well much? Just like the ad Hominem attack, this is the last refuge of losers. You don't get to make quips like this when your argument was about as substantial as a meringue and did not even land in the same zip code as the point I was making.

Posted by: Wolverfrog
Was that earlier supposed to be a point on the assumption that I'm a fan of Karen Traviss?

It is on the assumption that you, like Karen Traviss, have a flagrant disregard for the core identity of the Halo series which you are so quick to trample, condescendingly shooting off remarks pointing out how inferior and simple-minded the series is which I find to be an implicit and smugly arrogant statement about people who were content with it before.

Posted by: Wolverfrog
Some people just want an Ender's Game rip-off with Halo stuffed as full as it can be upon every page turn and cutscene with action, clear-cut morality and a naive optimism that every idiot thinks is objectively superior to stories sitting on the actual-realistic side of the sliding scale as opposed to opaque sensibilities that would make even Starship Troopers blush.

Which I would admittedly suffer through any time over petty misanthropic and masochistic nonsense, contrived and spontaneously driven plots and undynamic characters set in a flat setting with almost no potential for future expansion. At least in that concept you outlined there, it merely exists in the Halo fiction rather than attacking it, regardless of how rubbish you purport it to be.

Also, nice strawman. In trying to imitate my post you missed the fact that I was stating that the Halo series was better off actually staying true to the themes and tone that has defined it for a decade rather than going down some other path that is considered to be "better" by no other virtue besides the fact that it is "dark and gritty". None of the things you mentioned is what I am arguing from.

Posted by: Wolverfrog
Flies both ways.

You missed my point again. It doesn't fly both ways, because you didn't state that Halo's core identity can change whilst still being considered the same thing, or even shown that it has not changed.

Posted by: Wolverfrog
For your information, I've read every Halo book, perused all the extended material and played every game. I didn't discover the series until 2008, but that was long before 343i was even established - I fell in love with the series as it was under Bungie, and I still love what they did - even Nylund's work I find enjoyable, having read it all again recently. I enjoyed Halo when it was simple black/white morality, and even the 'ideal-realism' to a certain extent - I've written well over a thousand pages of Halo fan fiction set in the universe created pre-343i.

I don't see how that justifies your trampling of it now, unless you are saying here that you have essentially just been trolling all along and haven't meant any of it. However you probably do mean it. Tossing away pieces of the canon to shoehorn in new "interpretations" necessarily requires that to be true. Your strawman representation of the overview of the Halo series above as an "Ender's Game rip-off with Halo stuffed as full as it can be upon every page turn and cutscene with action, clear-cut morality and a naive optimism" basically renders your post self-refuting.

Posted by: Wolverfrog
But I'm not so obstinate as to decry every thematic shift, especially in light of the fact that the franchise has changed hands, to a group of people who clearly interpret the universe in a very different way to Bungie's - that isn't a flaw on their part, it's a characteristic of the Halo Universe that makes it so appealing; it can be viewed in so many ways and was done so long before Bungie bequeathed their gem.

343i's "interpretations" are iconoclastic. That's the difference. Their studio was made to continue Halo, and that is what they say they are doing. Not to redefine it, which is what they are actually doing. I don't care about different studios and different creators. If they want to make something so radically different thematically then they should have created a new game universe altogether rather than slapping Halo logos all over it.

Posted by: Wolverfrog
But again, to reflect your question back, why ARE you still here? You clearly dislike where the Halo universe has gone, and I can't see Bungie wrestling it back from 343i any time soon.

Find something else.

I stick around in the hopes that this isn't final and that the franchise that I have followed for over a decade isn't going to be totally defaced by so called fans. Thankfully I don't think it will, just because of how massively unpopular it is with many, many people. That's on the assumption that 343i are not utterly uncaring about the idea of the care and support of their lore fanbase evaporating almost entirely.

  • 11.13.2012 3:58 PM PDT

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Posted by: anton1792Whilst I may agree with you on the topic of keeping Halo pure (have done so plenty of times), and find that much of your wording pinpoints my sentiments, I can't see why you felt it necessary to go on a full-fledged attack over a post that so vaguely hinted towards any favouritism?

I saw it as light sarcasm, though we were just having a bit of fun at the expense of the Authors by parodying their styles? Maybe I was wrong? ...

Keep it clean, guys.

[Edited on 11.13.2012 4:31 PM PST]

  • 11.13.2012 4:24 PM PDT
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Shoot boyz

*Spoiler"

Spartan ops is Halo 5

  • 11.13.2012 4:53 PM PDT


Posted by: the real Janaka
Posted by: anton1792Whilst I may agree with you on the topic of keeping Halo pure (have done so plenty of times), and find that much of your wording pinpoints my sentiments, I can't see why you felt it necessary to go on a full-fledged attack over a post that so vaguely hinted towards any favouritism?

I saw it as light sarcasm, though we were just having a bit of fun at the expense of the Authors by parodying their styles? Maybe I was wrong? ...

Keep it clean, guys.


I was going to post this, basically. Not everything is to be taken seriously, there's no need to get super defensive over some light sarcasm.


Posted by: Minymario
*Spoiler"

Spartan ops is Halo 5


Jokes aside, this does bring up why I was really posting. With everything connecting now, I'd imagine that S:Ops would start to tie threads and introduce some light elements of Halo 5, possibly with the reintroduction of characters like Arbiter, or introducing some new planets or devices that will be important later.

I can't see 343i missing this oppurtunity to start tying threads with their next game, which I'd wager is starting preproduction by now, script writing, brainstorming and all that.

[Edited on 11.13.2012 5:26 PM PST]

  • 11.13.2012 5:22 PM PDT

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  • 11.13.2012 6:52 PM PDT
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*Spoiler*

That whole 6 months after the end of the campaign doesn't really make sense. Reason:

In one of the early chapter of Spartan Ops, Miller or whoever that Spartan is, is surprised to see the Covenant working along side the Prometheans; however I remember the Chief and the Infinity crew finding out that exact same thing on the 3rd or 4th mission of the campaign.

[Edited on 11.13.2012 7:12 PM PST]

  • 11.13.2012 7:11 PM PDT

Much like Chuck Norris who doesnt sleep but waits, MC is probably waiting for something to screw up again, probably something from the Infinity who is messing around with Forerunner stuff, so he could ask for a gun and start shooting things and pressing buttons.

  • 11.13.2012 7:16 PM PDT
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Going on the talk show circuit, blubbering about Cortana's "death".

  • 11.13.2012 8:36 PM PDT
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I really really hope Chief is able to relax. At least a little bit.

I was devestated after the final cutscene, but then it hit me that Chief finally is back on Earth. The place he always deserved to be since Halo 3.

  • 11.13.2012 11:15 PM PDT

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  • 11.14.2012 1:33 AM PDT

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  • 11.14.2012 1:33 AM PDT


Posted by: anton1792
I don't see how that justifies your trampling of it now, unless you are saying here that you have essentially just been trolling all along and haven't meant any of it. However you probably do mean it.


I prefer 343i's approach to the Halo universe over Bungie's, but that's not to say I dislike the latter - the opposite, in fact. Indeed, between 2008-2010 I wrote a 337 page fan fiction serving as a 'Halo 4,' in effect, before we knew the series would continue. It's full of your 'ideal-realism,' and if the writing weren't so average (I was only 13 when I started it) you'd probably enjoy it over 343i's work, since the simplicity of the story is something you seem to want.

I'm not so much trolling as playing devil's advocate. To some extent I do believe the things I say, but usually as well I'm arguing to see how others will justify their own viewpoints rather than just saying 'Traviss is terrible' or '343i have ruined Halo.' I think I'm one of the rare individuals who loved Bungie's work and loves 343i's work, so really I'm a bigger fan of Halo than you are.

That you automatically assumed my light parody of Nylund was an attack on you demonstrates that you view yourself as somewhat of a 'fanboy' of his work and anything pre-343i simply because it is that, otherwise you wanted have been so wounded by my little joke about him. When I read your 'written by Karen Traviss' I had a good laugh because you were right (I didn't know you wrote it to insult me, which is pretty stupid), that is the sort of typically bleak thing she would write and every author can be predicted in that way - to go back to your Game of Thrones analogy (I've read all the books by the way, love it to bits) you wouldn't buy a Halo book by G.R.R Martin and then complain that it's not optimistic and light-hearted. This is just how these authors are.

I think Traviss' style works for post-war Halo, that's my personal opinion. Her AIs are brilliant and her dialogue is very well-penned (laughed out loud a fair few times, like when Vaz is looking at Mal's Mantis and says he ordered a few collar sizes too big, and then Mal replies with 'I'll wear a jumper underneath it' - maybe that's because she's English like myself, so I can identify with her humour and dry, faux-bleak writing style .)

But you get way too antagonistic for me to have a proper discussion with this about, and before you spout some Latin crap at me ('wah, ad hominem's poisoning this virginal well of objectivity') keep in mind that you threw the first stones, by implying I'm just a 'pseudo-intellectual' and getting in my face, so to speak, about why I like this series and why I'm here.

Posted by: the real Janaka
I saw it as light sarcasm, though we were just having a bit of fun at the expense of the Authors by parodying their styles?


I was (making fun of Nylund's invincible heroes and portrayal of Halsey as a Mary Sue, and Dietz' overall complete lack of ability as an author (has anyone else read his Mass Effect novel with Kai 'eat your cereal in revenge' Leng? It's one of the worst things I've ever read), but it's pretty clear now that he wasn't.

  • 11.14.2012 3:17 AM PDT

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Posted by: Wolverfrog
It's full of your 'ideal-realism,' and if the writing weren't so average (I was only 13 when I started it) you'd probably enjoy it over 343i's work, since the simplicity of the story is something you seem to want.

I don't see how 343i's post 2010 Halo is more intrinsically complex than anything Bungie ever did. What is complex about "All Elites hate Humans", or about "Humans are ignorantly expansionist"? Their attention to characterization is perhaps better but their flat setting stifles it for me.

I was hoping to see something along the lines of species define loyalties and morality get a lot more cloudy, but instead we got Karen Traviss demonizing Humanity and creating Mary-Sutopias. However I guess going into the guilt of the Arbiter or the Elites and their struggling ambivalent mindset, or about people questioning why they should back someone simply because he is the same member of your species, is too "simple". Let's forget about stories about how two or more people can come to see eye to eye. Rather, everyone should just go back to killing each other, because that's more complex?

Posted by: Wolverfrog
I think I'm one of the rare individuals who loved Bungie's work and loves 343i's work, so really I'm a bigger fan of Halo than you are.

Go ahead and play that card, on the assumption that I have always hated 343i. You are wrong. About October 2011 they seemed to just say "Screw it", even with their own Evolutions story, The Return. Up until then I enjoyed everything they did.

And I still spend my money on their products for some reason.

Posted by: Wolverfrog
That you automatically assumed my light parody of Nylund was an attack on you demonstrates that you view yourself as somewhat of a 'fanboy' of his work and anything pre-343i simply because it is that, otherwise you wanted have been so wounded by my little joke about him. When I read your 'written by Karen Traviss' I had a good laugh because you were right (I didn't know you wrote it to insult me, which is pretty stupid), that is the sort of typically bleak thing she would write and every author can be predicted in that way - to go back to your Game of Thrones analogy (I've read all the books by the way, love it to bits) you wouldn't buy a Halo book by G.R.R Martin and then complain that it's not optimistic and light-hearted. This is just how these authors are.

It wasn't an insult. Or do you mean to tell me that you find the claim that you like to trample Bungie's story insulting? Knowing your candour on here from what I have seen you say to Grey101 on numerous occasions leaves me with the impression that you were, just like then, taking a whack at me. I'm not convinced you were joking by the way. Not in the slightest. Only after Janaka made a parody of Greg Bear does it appear that you seized on that. However continue saying that if you want.

It has little to do with Nylund. Some of the things you caricaturized have very little to do with him and are more to do with the main game trilogy itself and even some of 343i's own works before Kilo-5. However, yes you could feasibly complain at a novel written by G.R.R Martin for whatever reason there might be. You wouldn't level those criticisms at the authors though, but at the editors. (I.e. 343i)

Posted by: Wolverfrog
But you get way too antagonistic for me to have a proper discussion with this about, and before you spout some Latin crap at me ('wah, ad hominem's poisoning this virginal well of objectivity') keep in mind that you threw the first stones, by implying I'm just a 'pseudo-intellectual' and getting in my face, so to speak, about why I like this series and why I'm here.

The first stone was about turning Halo into something it's not, not about anything you just said here. That came when you made a cheap parody, which I still think was intended to make fun off.

  • 11.14.2012 4:57 AM PDT
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Master Chief is probably in therapy waiting to see Halsey about cortana. Maybe he's going to be into the spartan 4 program.

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  • 11.14.2012 5:03 AM PDT

You look around.You fire your weapon before you realize.
Its just me. I fall and you walk up. You cry why.
When i pop up. You look at me in wonder. I say,"ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL."
You bend to my will and go to a cliff, walk off, and fall.
The last thing you hear is me stating as fact,"All will fail the battle of life, you just went early"


Posted by: ansac11
*Spoiler*

That whole 6 months after the end of the campaign doesn't really make sense. Reason:

In one of the early chapter of Spartan Ops, Miller or whoever that Spartan is, is surprised to see the Covenant working along side the Prometheans; however I remember the Chief and the Infinity crew finding out that exact same thing on the 3rd or 4th mission of the campaign.


And they expect me to believe the Infinity almost falls for the same trick a second time? In the Ops, the artifact does the same thing that was described as happening in the campaign. And in both, the Infinity almost/actually falls into the planet. Come on Infinity, get your crap together!

  • 11.14.2012 5:50 AM PDT

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Hey, uh, if you like vs threads, then check out this little group right here, if you have the time. It's pretty fun, just hop right in.

Being a semi-interesting protagonist somewhere else. At least Halo 4 bumped him up from 'talking brick' status.

  • 11.14.2012 5:56 AM PDT

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