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Subject: Who else hates Del Rio?

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looks like 3 people missed the "He's the most annoying person in halo history" button.

  • 11.19.2012 4:04 PM PDT
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He feels like the Jar-Jar Binks of Halo.

  • 11.19.2012 4:35 PM PDT

Posted by: AngryBrute1
Oh yeah, since somebody does not believe what YOU believe; that makes us vapid...
I cannot grasp that what you call "Something happened to nothing, and that nothing became something, and it was smaller than than a period."

I don't like how he treats Chief, but not hate.
As far as I know, Keyes>all other captains.

  • 11.19.2012 5:14 PM PDT

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Its just me. I fall and you walk up. You cry why.
When i pop up. You look at me in wonder. I say,"ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL."
You bend to my will and go to a cliff, walk off, and fall.
The last thing you hear is me stating as fact,"All will fail the battle of life, you just went early"


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I don't like how he treats Chief, but not hate.
As far as I know, Keyes>all other captains.


No one can replace Keyes.

  • 11.19.2012 5:18 PM PDT

His decisions were justified. Protecting the UNSC's most prized asset was priority one.

However, he also made the decision to fly that asset directly into an unknown world instead of sending a lesser ship. So he's a victim of the plot if anything.

  • 11.19.2012 5:49 PM PDT

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Posted by: Xd00999
I was fine with him. He acted reasonable for the most part. He was right to ask Chief to hand over Cortana. Emotional connection aside, Cirtana was a clearly Rampant AI currently plugged into the most advanced ship the UNSC had. What if Cortana was plugged in and she had an episode just like she did in the Lich? That could have easilly meant the death of Master Chief if it wasn't for the fact that Chief has more plot armour than Marneus Calgar being written by Matt Ward.

Getting out of Requiem was also a smart move. The Infinity was outnumbered by the Covenant by a large margain and they were trapped in a world with an angry Forerunner. The former would not have made a large difference, but Didact's warship shrugged off all of Earth's defense fleet. Infinity itself could only hurt it when Chief took out the cannons allowing Inifinity to get close. If Didact wanted Infinity dead, and if they stayed and chased after him, it would probably make the priority list, the Infinity wouldn't be able to do much about it.

Also, biased poll is biased.




Keep in mind of course that at the time the Didact still only had his Cryptum to work with, and he was scared off by the activation of the Infinity's defenses. Furthermore, the only escort the Didact had present where Cruisers, and as can be observed both in the Spartan Ops cutscenes and in-game during the Infinity level the titular ship absolutely wrecked those things without breaking a sweat.

From what could be visibly seen the Infinity was not outnumbered by vessels of significance. Liches are nothing, and the Cruisers are ineffective as well it seems. The Assault Carrier is nowhere to be seen so it's still unknown how it would fare against the Infinity, but as Spartan Ops continues to go on the Infinity continues to go on to maintain orbital dominance with a mere few Frigates for support against the entirety of Jul's fleet.

Of course...we benefit from hindsight and not being under pressure of responding to such a scenario or similar one in real life.

If anything though Del Rio was the type of commanding officer who played it safe and by the book to a fault which is how he was painted in Thursday War. Not creative, ambitious, nor quick to the punch, and as a result is not the type of Captain who commands the level of respect such as Keyes or other significant commanding officers.

Regardless I do agree that in the end despite coming off as an ass Del Rio was still in the right when it came to Cortana. Protocol is there for a reason and if she gone crazy while inside the ship it could've meant doom for everyone potentially.

  • 11.19.2012 7:26 PM PDT

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Let the battle begin, with swords in the wind! Hail Gods of War!

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  • 11.19.2012 7:38 PM PDT
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Posted by: StealthSlasher2

Posted by: Xd00999
I was fine with him. He acted reasonable for the most part. He was right to ask Chief to hand over Cortana. Emotional connection aside, Cirtana was a clearly Rampant AI currently plugged into the most advanced ship the UNSC had. What if Cortana was plugged in and she had an episode just like she did in the Lich? That could have easilly meant the death of Master Chief if it wasn't for the fact that Chief has more plot armour than Marneus Calgar being written by Matt Ward.

Getting out of Requiem was also a smart move. The Infinity was outnumbered by the Covenant by a large margain and they were trapped in a world with an angry Forerunner. The former would not have made a large difference, but Didact's warship shrugged off all of Earth's defense fleet. Infinity itself could only hurt it when Chief took out the cannons allowing Inifinity to get close. If Didact wanted Infinity dead, and if they stayed and chased after him, it would probably make the priority list, the Infinity wouldn't be able to do much about it.

Also, biased poll is biased.




Keep in mind of course that at the time the Didact still only had his Cryptum to work with, and he was scared off by the activation of the Infinity's defenses. Furthermore, the only escort the Didact had present where Cruisers, and as can be observed both in the Spartan Ops cutscenes and in-game during the Infinity level the titular ship absolutely wrecked those things without breaking a sweat.

From what could be visibly seen the Infinity was not outnumbered by vessels of significance. Liches are nothing, and the Cruisers are ineffective as well it seems. The Assault Carrier is nowhere to be seen so it's still unknown how it would fare against the Infinity, but as Spartan Ops continues to go on the Infinity continues to go on to maintain orbital dominance with a mere few Frigates for support against the entirety of Jul's fleet.

Of course...we benefit from hindsight and not being under pressure of responding to such a scenario or similar one in real life.

If anything though Del Rio was the type of commanding officer who played it safe and by the book to a fault which is how he was painted in Thursday War. Not creative, ambitious, nor quick to the punch, and as a result is not the type of Captain who commands the level of respect such as Keyes or other significant commanding officers.

Regardless I do agree that in the end despite coming off as an ass Del Rio was still in the right when it came to Cortana. Protocol is there for a reason and if she gone crazy while inside the ship it could've meant doom for everyone potentially.


True. However, Didact was still hiding behind his shield as his ship was being prepared. We don't know how strong it is, but I wager it will hold off most of Infinity's weapons, save perhaps the bigger MACs or some other secret weapon. The ships the Covenant had are insignificant, but they still had plenty of loyal Covenant soldiers and weapons, perhaps enough to delay the Infinity until Didact gets in his warship. At the very least, they could act as shield for the Didact.

I personally think Lasky and Palmer should get some flak too. They disobeyed a direct order from their commanding officer and allowed a potentially dangerous AI to communicate with the ship's systems. It is mentioned that Del Rio was removed because command did not like him leaving Chief on Requiem despite the fact that he order subordinates multiple times to prevent Chief from leaving the Infinity. Did command expect him to personally bar Chief's exit? He sent Lasky down to stop Chief but Lasky is the one who helped Chief escape, not because Del Rio willingly left Chief behind.

  • 11.19.2012 7:41 PM PDT


Posted by: Xd00999

Posted by: StealthSlasher2

Posted by: Xd00999
I was fine with him. He acted reasonable for the most part. He was right to ask Chief to hand over Cortana. Emotional connection aside, Cirtana was a clearly Rampant AI currently plugged into the most advanced ship the UNSC had. What if Cortana was plugged in and she had an episode just like she did in the Lich? That could have easilly meant the death of Master Chief if it wasn't for the fact that Chief has more plot armour than Marneus Calgar being written by Matt Ward.

Getting out of Requiem was also a smart move. The Infinity was outnumbered by the Covenant by a large margain and they were trapped in a world with an angry Forerunner. The former would not have made a large difference, but Didact's warship shrugged off all of Earth's defense fleet. Infinity itself could only hurt it when Chief took out the cannons allowing Inifinity to get close. If Didact wanted Infinity dead, and if they stayed and chased after him, it would probably make the priority list, the Infinity wouldn't be able to do much about it.

Also, biased poll is biased.




Keep in mind of course that at the time the Didact still only had his Cryptum to work with, and he was scared off by the activation of the Infinity's defenses. Furthermore, the only escort the Didact had present where Cruisers, and as can be observed both in the Spartan Ops cutscenes and in-game during the Infinity level the titular ship absolutely wrecked those things without breaking a sweat.

From what could be visibly seen the Infinity was not outnumbered by vessels of significance. Liches are nothing, and the Cruisers are ineffective as well it seems. The Assault Carrier is nowhere to be seen so it's still unknown how it would fare against the Infinity, but as Spartan Ops continues to go on the Infinity continues to go on to maintain orbital dominance with a mere few Frigates for support against the entirety of Jul's fleet.

Of course...we benefit from hindsight and not being under pressure of responding to such a scenario or similar one in real life.

If anything though Del Rio was the type of commanding officer who played it safe and by the book to a fault which is how he was painted in Thursday War. Not creative, ambitious, nor quick to the punch, and as a result is not the type of Captain who commands the level of respect such as Keyes or other significant commanding officers.

Regardless I do agree that in the end despite coming off as an ass Del Rio was still in the right when it came to Cortana. Protocol is there for a reason and if she gone crazy while inside the ship it could've meant doom for everyone potentially.


True. However, Didact was still hiding behind his shield as his ship was being prepared. We don't know how strong it is, but I wager it will hold off most of Infinity's weapons, save perhaps the bigger MACs or some other secret weapon. The ships the Covenant had are insignificant, but they still had plenty of loyal Covenant soldiers and weapons, perhaps enough to delay the Infinity until Didact gets in his warship. At the very least, they could act as shield for the Didact.

I personally think Lasky and Palmer should get some flak too. They disobeyed a direct order from their commanding officer and allowed a potentially dangerous AI to communicate with the ship's systems. It is mentioned that Del Rio was removed because command did not like him leaving Chief on Requiem despite the fact that he order subordinates multiple times to prevent Chief from leaving the Infinity. Did command expect him to personally bar Chief's exit? He sent Lasky down to stop Chief but Lasky is the one who helped Chief escape, not because Del Rio willingly left Chief behind.


You know this makes me wonder if the Infinitiy's crew might've altered the story a bit to there superiors to make Del Rio' actions appear far worse.

[Edited on 11.19.2012 9:49 PM PST]

  • 11.19.2012 9:35 PM PDT

I dont hare Del Rio i hate the writing done for Del Rio.
The character was a complete goof ball, they like they went to some character generator and ask for a-hole captain and just got a bunch of lines that they didnt bother to edit to actually give this character SOME character.

He straight up just said every generic "Im right you are all wrong," line ever spoken in the history of writing!

  • 11.20.2012 2:45 AM PDT

Well he got fired in the end so its not like they just ignored his very bad decision making.

  • 11.20.2012 8:24 AM PDT

I am a monument to all your sins

He was a stubborn, incompetent, coward. He was right to want Cortana gone, but ignoring the advise of one of the most respected men alive, and abandoning requiem when he had reason to believe humanity was at risk was inexcusable. he was too afraid to lose his precious ship to take any risks.

  • 11.20.2012 8:56 AM PDT

Wake me when the jews are gone.

Am i the only one that simpatizes to the fact that he was following prototcol, also had the infinity stayed she would have been destroyed by the didacts ship.

  • 11.20.2012 12:53 PM PDT


Posted by: fsabran
Am i the only one that simpatizes to the fact that he was following prototcol, also had the infinity stayed she would have been destroyed by the didacts ship.


I did but I hated how they made him extremley arrogant whenever he talked. So at the sametime I was annoyed by him, but understood and agreed with what he was doing.

  • 11.20.2012 1:05 PM PDT

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Is me not liking him mean he's a good character...because that's kind of the point.

  • 11.20.2012 1:33 PM PDT

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Posted by: Xd00999

Posted by: StealthSlasher2

Posted by: Xd00999
I was fine with him. He acted reasonable for the most part. He was right to ask Chief to hand over Cortana. Emotional connection aside, Cirtana was a clearly Rampant AI currently plugged into the most advanced ship the UNSC had. What if Cortana was plugged in and she had an episode just like she did in the Lich? That could have easilly meant the death of Master Chief if it wasn't for the fact that Chief has more plot armour than Marneus Calgar being written by Matt Ward.

Getting out of Requiem was also a smart move. The Infinity was outnumbered by the Covenant by a large margain and they were trapped in a world with an angry Forerunner. The former would not have made a large difference, but Didact's warship shrugged off all of Earth's defense fleet. Infinity itself could only hurt it when Chief took out the cannons allowing Inifinity to get close. If Didact wanted Infinity dead, and if they stayed and chased after him, it would probably make the priority list, the Infinity wouldn't be able to do much about it.

Also, biased poll is biased.




Keep in mind of course that at the time the Didact still only had his Cryptum to work with, and he was scared off by the activation of the Infinity's defenses. Furthermore, the only escort the Didact had present where Cruisers, and as can be observed both in the Spartan Ops cutscenes and in-game during the Infinity level the titular ship absolutely wrecked those things without breaking a sweat.

From what could be visibly seen the Infinity was not outnumbered by vessels of significance. Liches are nothing, and the Cruisers are ineffective as well it seems. The Assault Carrier is nowhere to be seen so it's still unknown how it would fare against the Infinity, but as Spartan Ops continues to go on the Infinity continues to go on to maintain orbital dominance with a mere few Frigates for support against the entirety of Jul's fleet.

Of course...we benefit from hindsight and not being under pressure of responding to such a scenario or similar one in real life.

If anything though Del Rio was the type of commanding officer who played it safe and by the book to a fault which is how he was painted in Thursday War. Not creative, ambitious, nor quick to the punch, and as a result is not the type of Captain who commands the level of respect such as Keyes or other significant commanding officers.

Regardless I do agree that in the end despite coming off as an ass Del Rio was still in the right when it came to Cortana. Protocol is there for a reason and if she gone crazy while inside the ship it could've meant doom for everyone potentially.


True. However, Didact was still hiding behind his shield as his ship was being prepared. We don't know how strong it is, but I wager it will hold off most of Infinity's weapons, save perhaps the bigger MACs or some other secret weapon. The ships the Covenant had are insignificant, but they still had plenty of loyal Covenant soldiers and weapons, perhaps enough to delay the Infinity until Didact gets in his warship. At the very least, they could act as shield for the Didact.


Well given how the Didact's Cryptum was right in visual range of the Infinity, it could have easily turned to face it and just opened up with its main armament or everything it had. Remember too, the shields that were protecting the Didact could've been disabled remotely by the Infinity as Cortana notes. The entire premise of Shutdown revolved around how the Chief had to manually enter the towers to disrupt the field protecting the Didact due to Infinity's absence. And again, visually there was not a significant Covenant presence to engage the Infinity within that time frame had it turned to port and fired what it had.

Again, hindsight, but for a Captain like Keyes it would be a no brainer to kick the enemy while he's down.

  • 11.20.2012 1:57 PM PDT
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Do not waste your tears, I was not born to watch the world grow dim. Life is not measured in years, but by the deeds of men.

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We should know better, because we are better.


Posted by: StealthSlasher2
Well given how the Didact's Cryptum was right in visual range of the Infinity, it could have easily turned to face it and just opened up with its main armament or everything it had. Remember too, the shields that were protecting the Didact could've been disabled remotely by the Infinity as Cortana notes. The entire premise of Shutdown revolved around how the Chief had to manually enter the towers to disrupt the field protecting the Didact due to Infinity's absence. And again, visually there was not a significant Covenant presence to engage the Infinity within that time frame had it turned to port and fired what it had.

Again, hindsight, but for a Captain like Keyes it would be a no brainer to kick the enemy while he's down.

However, just earlier, we saw that the Didact's cryptum is very fast and very mobile. Unless it was constrained in one place, I am fairly sure the Didact could have easilly moved faster than the Infinity could turn to fire on him.

Of course, hindsight is 20/20. Del Rio is a cautious captain. Assaulting an unknown enemy with the ability to easilly pilfer massive amounts of data from your ship and other unknown capabilities would not be a very safe move and it doesn't sound like something Del Rio would do.

  • 11.20.2012 2:08 PM PDT

Brains beats brawn get used to it

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Posted by: Xd00999

Posted by: StealthSlasher2
Well given how the Didact's Cryptum was right in visual range of the Infinity, it could have easily turned to face it and just opened up with its main armament or everything it had. Remember too, the shields that were protecting the Didact could've been disabled remotely by the Infinity as Cortana notes. The entire premise of Shutdown revolved around how the Chief had to manually enter the towers to disrupt the field protecting the Didact due to Infinity's absence. And again, visually there was not a significant Covenant presence to engage the Infinity within that time frame had it turned to port and fired what it had.

Again, hindsight, but for a Captain like Keyes it would be a no brainer to kick the enemy while he's down.

However, just earlier, we saw that the Didact's cryptum is very fast and very mobile. Unless it was constrained in one place, I am fairly sure the Didact could have easilly moved faster than the Infinity could turn to fire on him.

Of course, hindsight is 20/20. Del Rio is a cautious captain. Assaulting an unknown enemy with the ability to easilly pilfer massive amounts of data from your ship and other unknown capabilities would not be a very safe move and it doesn't sound like something Del Rio would do.


Out of curiosity does anyone know if the Cryptum even had any weapons what so ever?

  • 11.20.2012 2:16 PM PDT
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Posted by: StealthSlasher2

Posted by: Xd00999

Posted by: StealthSlasher2
Well given how the Didact's Cryptum was right in visual range of the Infinity, it could have easily turned to face it and just opened up with its main armament or everything it had. Remember too, the shields that were protecting the Didact could've been disabled remotely by the Infinity as Cortana notes. The entire premise of Shutdown revolved around how the Chief had to manually enter the towers to disrupt the field protecting the Didact due to Infinity's absence. And again, visually there was not a significant Covenant presence to engage the Infinity within that time frame had it turned to port and fired what it had.

Again, hindsight, but for a Captain like Keyes it would be a no brainer to kick the enemy while he's down.

However, just earlier, we saw that the Didact's cryptum is very fast and very mobile. Unless it was constrained in one place, I am fairly sure the Didact could have easilly moved faster than the Infinity could turn to fire on him.

Of course, hindsight is 20/20. Del Rio is a cautious captain. Assaulting an unknown enemy with the ability to easilly pilfer massive amounts of data from your ship and other unknown capabilities would not be a very safe move and it doesn't sound like something Del Rio would do.


Out of curiosity does anyone know if the Cryptum even had any weapons what so ever?

Unlikely. If the Didact was really desperate, he could just try ramming the Infinity.

  • 11.20.2012 2:35 PM PDT
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It was a way of portraying the status of Spartan IIs. Although they may be legendary from all that they've done, that's basically all they are now, just legends and myths. There are only a handful left now, which helped push them into their status.

But, honestly, that was my favorite part of the game. It showed how much things have changed, and how much Chief has changed. Betcha he would have never disobeyed a commanding officer in his earlier years.

  • 11.20.2012 2:56 PM PDT

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