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Subject: Spartan Ops Ep. 3

If you're passionate about the thing you're talking about, I'll always lend an ear.

*eugh

Spartan-IV's.

Dum braindead idiots with expensive MJOLNIR armour. What a waste of equipment.

And to think the S-III's had to settle with SPI at the time.

[Edited on 11.20.2012 3:22 AM PST]

  • 11.20.2012 3:22 AM PDT

With the expansion of the universe through Spartan Ops I'm constantly reminded of the opening cut scene of the campaign, with Halsey being interrogated by someone.

But who is that 'someone'?

[Edited on 11.20.2012 3:24 AM PST]

  • 11.20.2012 3:24 AM PDT


Posted by: MaxRealflugel
With the expansion of the universe through Spartan Ops I'm constantly reminded of the opening cut scene of the campaign, with Halsey being interrogated by someone.

But who is that 'someone'?


Chief's brother.

  • 11.20.2012 3:51 AM PDT

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Someone else mentioned earlier that S IV's were a joke. I can't help but agree. I was just explaining to someone yesterday that they aren't REAL spartans. They're little more than ODST's with super armor. Great armor does not a Spartan Make. Real Spartans haven't been trained since the SIII program.

  • 11.20.2012 5:30 AM PDT

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Posted by: haloplayer2kill

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Posted by: SOME cGUY789
Just bringing up the fact the Halsey does in fact willingly kidnap the children even if the military allowed it, dosent make it right and any good that came of it has no basis on wether or not she should be punished.


Yeah, I suppose that whole saving humanity thing should just be overlooked. "Grr, she wanted to end a bloody civil war, and tried to achieve peace in the UNSC". Yeah, what a -blam!-.


So because her actions eventually lead to good, that means she should get off scott free?

So if an evil man, does horrible things to people, but somehow his actions later lead to saving people, even though he is evil, he should not be put on trial because even though he did horrible things, the good out weighs the bad?

Or what if a man invents wonderful tools that benefit humanity, and save people, make the human life better.....but his methods in creating said tech is by sacrificing/experimenting on people to get said best tech. But according to your beliefs, because his actions have benefited some people, the whole experimenting on people, even causing some people to die, should just be ignored.


Im so sick of all the Halsey bashing. Halsey is the GOOD guy. If you dont understand that then pick up Ghosts of Onyx, chapter two. Karen doesnt know anything about Halo or care, for that matter. The woman self admittedly didnt even bother to read any other content before she started hacking away at it, why would you let her mouthpiece characters think for you? For those of you who cant get over the ethical grey area my solution is to throw you all onto the front lines of the next Covenant invasion so the rest of us can live full lives with our Spartan project.
For anyone to sit around judging Halsey when her rivals and main accusers were commissioning Disposable Heroes (and using an entire planet as bait) is daft pure and simple. Anyone who blindly condenms her after reading that failure of a novel has either never seen her diary or GoO.

[Edited on 11.20.2012 5:55 AM PST]

  • 11.20.2012 5:52 AM PDT

Karen Traviss' novels simply show us the other side of opinion towards Halsey. And that includes Osman, and the likes of Mal and Vaz. That's all. It's not fact. It's opinion.

I agree that Halsey is the true saviour of mankind. But that doesn't make her actions, kidnapping children, all fine and dandy.

  • 11.20.2012 6:23 AM PDT

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Posted by: Ds2vet FL
Whether it is for a good cause or not, kidnapping children and turning them into war machines is not justified. Because of her the Spartans never got to live the life they wanted.

If I remember correctly John promised to marry someone when he was older but because of Halsey that never happened and will never happen now because all he knows of is war.

  • 11.20.2012 6:27 AM PDT


Posted by: MaxRealflugel
Karen Traviss' novels simply show us the other side of opinion towards Halsey. And that includes Osman, and the likes of Mal and Vaz. That's all. It's not fact. It's opinion.

I agree that Halsey is the true saviour of mankind. But that doesn't make her actions, kidnapping children, all fine and dandy.


The problem is there is no counter-point in the novels.

Oh, and the mass hypocrisy that Halsey is the biggest -blam!- evil and is like Mengele, but basically going behind the leader of the UEG and UNSC and causing trouble for their allies.

Oh, and Vaz hating halsey but literally having no issue with s3's.

  • 11.20.2012 6:40 AM PDT

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Posted by: ninjakenzen
*eugh

Spartan-IV's.

Dum braindead idiots with expensive MJOLNIR armour. What a waste of equipment.

And to think the S-III's had to settle with SPI at the time.

I'd love to see Lucy and Tom on Infinity. Or any of the IIIs for that matter. The have disappeared into canon limbo.

  • 11.20.2012 6:43 AM PDT


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Posted by: MaxRealflugel
Karen Traviss' novels simply show us the other side of opinion towards Halsey. And that includes Osman, and the likes of Mal and Vaz. That's all. It's not fact. It's opinion.

I agree that Halsey is the true saviour of mankind. But that doesn't make her actions, kidnapping children, all fine and dandy.


The problem is there is no counter-point in the novels.

Oh, and the mass hypocrisy that Halsey is the biggest -blam!- evil and is like Mengele, but basically going behind the leader of the UEG and UNSC and causing trouble for their allies.

Oh, and Vaz hating halsey but literally having no issue with s3's.


There doesn't need to be one. If you want a counter point, go look at literally every other Halo story involving Halsey ever. They'd be beating a dead horse by re-re-re-introducing the same old "she saved mankind" perspective. On the flipside, we've never seen a perspective where she's seen as evil.

Perhaps that's the point? Parangosky openly admits she will burn for her actions, and that she is a cruel person. We know that, she knows that, everyone knows that. She is a hyopcrite, but she is the head of the House of Lies, of course she'll be dishonest. Her problem with Halsey isn't a moral one anway, it's a legal one. She only brings up the moral black hole of the Spartan program to make a different point about Halsey's selfishness in making the clones without authorization. Now is she a selfish person? Maybe, maybe not, but that isn't the point. The point is that the decision is split between one side (Kilo-5) and everything else (Everything Else). Kilo-5 is the counterargument to Halsey being seen as the savior, where instead she's seen as a mad scientist. The point is: what will happen given the circumstances and various perspectives, not whether or not the perspectives are true. Parangosky's hypocrisy just further emphasizes the idea that no one in power is perfect, that near everyone with power is corrupt.

I do not recall this. As far as I know, Vaz has no issues with the Spartans themselves, and in fact believes all of the Spartans to be the product of Halsey.

  • 11.20.2012 7:18 AM PDT

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Posted by: the real Janaka
Halsey "made" Infinity - another piece of evidence--they just keep piling up--for why she should be held a prisoner casue of her crimes against humanity.

And.. even more blatantly obvious exhibition.. How is this rewarding? It's even more mindless than Stargåte.
I dont know about you but to me lasky looked (as always) rather friendly to Halsey.

  • 11.20.2012 7:19 AM PDT

Exactly! We've had the counterpoint for a while now. I like Halsey. I especially liked her body language and tone of voice used towards the S4s.

As for the S4s themselves, I see them as mass-produced Spartans. Better than ODSTs, and cheaper than a full-blown S2. But not as good.

I can see their large numbers dwindling in the near future due to H5 and H6. Whatever will rear its ugly head in the rest of the trilogy will obviously ruin the day for many S4s. Then it'll be up to the original Spartans to show them how it's done.

And Cortana isn't dead. In fact, she far more powerful now than she's ever been.

Who needs a datachip when you've got Slipspace supporting your matrix?

[Edited on 11.20.2012 7:27 AM PST]

  • 11.20.2012 7:26 AM PDT

I dont know about you but to me lasky looked (as always) rather friendly to Halsey.

Halsey effectively created the MC, and he saved Lasky's ass. I'd be in awe as well.

  • 11.20.2012 7:29 AM PDT
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Posted by: Quantam
What can be teleported down, can also be teleported up.


That's a scary thought

They are definitely up to something and i bet that the Didact shows up at some point in this season.

  • 11.20.2012 7:56 AM PDT


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Posted by: Quantam
What can be teleported down, can also be teleported up.


That's a scary thought


Hopefully we'll get some missions on the Infinity where such a thing happens, in other parts of the ship we didn't see in the campaign.

  • 11.20.2012 8:07 AM PDT

Halsey served those uppity S-IV's something serious.
I'm really hating Palmer something serious now. The novelty of her character has worn off now that she's coincidentally pitted against someone I actually know would verbally tear her apart.

  • 11.20.2012 8:20 AM PDT

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Posted by: the real Janaka
Halsey "made" Infinity - another piece of evidence--they just keep piling up--for why she should be held a prisoner casue of her crimes against humanity.

And.. even more blatantly obvious exhibition.. How is this rewarding? It's even more mindless than Stargåte.
I dont know about you but to me lasky looked (as always) rather friendly to Halsey.
I'm sure they're doing this deliberately; making some of us worked up over how Halsey is treated etc, just so that they after a while can make us feel releaved when--what they believe are old school Halo style characters, in this case mr.The Laskey-discovery--eventually sweep in and save the day.

It's simple really, all one does is undermine and bastardise the characters for a while, just so that one doesn't actually have to continue the hard work of maintaining their former splendour--the reason they had fans--by constantly comming up with worthwhile dialogue, fitting characteristics, noteworthy behaviour, and instead free them of their oppression once they've drawn-out the tenstion for as long as it is possible. It's a legit tactic.

I assure you; when Halsey finally gets some kind of retribution, these very forums will light up all kinds of you were wrong to doubt 343i statements. But here's the thing; was the actual journey pleasurable? I don't think it is.Posted by: ROBERTO jh
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Posted by: MaxRealflugel
Karen Traviss' novels simply show us the other side of opinion towards Halsey. And that includes Osman, and the likes of Mal and Vaz. That's all. It's not fact. It's opinion.

I agree that Halsey is the true saviour of mankind. But that doesn't make her actions, kidnapping children, all fine and dandy.


The problem is there is no counter-point in the novels.

Oh, and the mass hypocrisy that Halsey is the biggest -blam!- evil and is like Mengele, but basically going behind the leader of the UEG and UNSC and causing trouble for their allies.

Oh, and Vaz hating halsey but literally having no issue with s3's.


There doesn't need to be one. If you want a counter point, go look at literally every other Halo story involving Halsey ever. They'd be beating a dead horse by re-re-re-introducing the same old "she saved mankind" perspective. On the flipside, we've never seen a perspective where she's seen as evil.

Perhaps that's the point? Parangosky openly admits she will burn for her actions, and that she is a cruel person. We know that, she knows that, everyone knows that. She is a hyopcrite, but she is the head of the House of Lies, of course she'll be dishonest. Her problem with Halsey isn't a moral one anway, it's a legal one. She only brings up the moral black hole of the Spartan program to make a different point about Halsey's selfishness in making the clones without authorization. Now is she a selfish person? Maybe, maybe not, but that isn't the point. The point is that the decision is split between one side (Kilo-5) and everything else (Everything Else). Kilo-5 is the counterargument to Halsey being seen as the savior, where instead she's seen as a mad scientist. The point is: what will happen given the circumstances and various perspectives, not whether or not the perspectives are true. Parangosky's hypocrisy just further emphasizes the idea that no one in power is perfect, that near everyone with power is corrupt.

I do not recall this. As far as I know, Vaz has no issues with the Spartans themselves, and in fact believes all of the Spartans to be the product of Halsey.
So this is what Halo has become; a bureaucratic and in depth character portrayal with focus on moral and war ethics, seen from enough perspectives to have us doubt and debate the truth?

You wrote that Halsey not yet had been seen from a perspective where she could be perceived as evil. First of all, why should she, what does that possibly have to do with the core story? Secondly, why stop at her; why not show everyone from an evil perspective? Let's take John, he's killed a couple of marines during training, why not have him struggle with inner ghosts, have him prosecuted now that the war is over? Thirdly, why is the dark and realistic side so damn interesting, why not go through a cycle of emotions, next up their all angsty, and then lets have a comedic take on the universe? The Halo games have always had a summer blockbusteresque sense of action-adventure comedy, why not let that bloom, give the franchise a couple of installments where we explore that side? I'm sure tons and tons of people would praise the witty and funny the new live action series focusing on Han Solo style heroics and badassery with hilarious one-liners, just like they did FUD, for whatever it had.Mixing things up is a huge joke. Some of you might like it, but it makes no sense within the contex of the old work, it diminishes it all, it's just another way to prolong the story, make it branch out to the point where every other event/intrigue is no more than a diversion. It's turned into Stargåte or Star Wars, they're trying to find a pace with which they can keep expanding the universe for another ten-twenty years. How many billions has Halo made?

I'm bringing it up now, cause Spartan Ops makes it all so obvious. Just look at what we actually are receiving, it's a story in one room, told through GCI shorts, and a gameplay session in the other, told through literally repeated instances with litte to no extra detail whatsoever.

They're trying to figure out the bare minimum people will settle for; accept as a viable Halo experience. What we deem worthy of being a storytelling device. What we're willing to associate with Halo in terms of what is sufficient enough to tell the story.

The resolution of the narrative has increased to the point where every minute operation and political step has to be told as superfluous as possible, portray all characters as profoundly as possible. (Although, they are repeating themselves quite often in service of those who haven't read the books - A.Is, Spartans, Halsey's past, etc).

We had two books that were supposed to build up the reason for why the Covenant yet again were hostileand even so, it barely weaved itself into the actual campaign, but into glorified multi maps--and how the UNSC suddenly, within four years, after being near extinction, leveled up an entire tier. Then we have an entire side mode dedicated to what exactly, tell the story of Infinity and some new Spartans and new plot devices, where is it leading? Is it supposed to act as a bridge betwixt four and five, in that case, what's the third Kilo-five for?

If we had two books to build up Halo 4, how many do you think we'll have for 5 and 6? A mini series for each, spin-offs?

Spartan Ops is the lowest the series has ever sunk, but I guess the shiny CGI is blinding.

I'm fascinated that not more are freaking out over this.

[Edited on 11.20.2012 9:00 AM PST]

  • 11.20.2012 8:50 AM PDT

Do you watch/read Game of Thrones and complain about the politics?

There isn't a war on at the moment. Not a formal one, anyway. So, like real life, things develop and evolve on the political front.

When 'war' breaks out again, you'll be able to breathe a sigh of relief, as the politics will most likely take a step back.

But let's jump back to the crux of this argument/opinion. The Halo universe is vast, full of opinions, viewpoints and secrets. There may be something that we know nothing about that will provide greater clarity in the future, and we'll see Halsey put back on her scientific throne and a lot of apologies offered.

We don't know everything. Yet.

  • 11.20.2012 10:11 AM PDT

You know whats funny? I like Halsey she's my second favorite character in Halo. But even then she should still be punished, I never mentioned the poeple behind the S-3 project becasue they aren't Halsey they don't have a place in this argument. If the S-3 project went public in the Halo Universe then I'd want to see the people who were in charge of that, (that are still alive) Punished as well.

It really amazes me how some of you think she should be excused becasue of the good shes done. It weird how they think its fine she kinaped around 150 children and willingly let them be put through brutal training at still think she should be put on to of a fricken pedestal as if she was some great Heroine.

[Edited on 11.20.2012 10:32 AM PST]

  • 11.20.2012 10:31 AM PDT

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Posted by: MaxRealflugel
Do you watch/read Game of Thrones and complain about the politics?
No, because that's what Game of Thrones is about. Halo is about the action-adventure side of a war between Humanity and The Covenant in a world that is defined by the actions of Forerunner and Flood. Is Halo supposed to continue after whatever climax the sixth game has to offer as a deep, action free, drama just because there aren't any conflicts?

If there is no action, jump to where there is action, jump between the high notes/high lights of the one universe defining story line, don't dilute and ware out the experience with petty squabble. Don't look for excuses to trip, don't turn it from a neat and highly qualitative little package to a loosely wrapped doubtfull bundle.

There isn't a war on at the moment. Not a formal one, anyway. So, like real life, things develop and evolve on the political front.As I wrote, the resolution of the narrative as increased. It's like a graph. You have the high notes and you have the curves between them, the lower it gets, the less important it is. Don't wear it thin by wasting time down there.When 'war' breaks out again, you'll be able to breathe a sigh of relief, as the politics will most likely take a step back.

But let's jump back to the crux of this argument/opinion. The Halo universe is vast, full of opinions, viewpoints and secrets. There may be something that we know nothing about that will provide greater clarity in the future, and we'll see Halsey put back on her scientific throne and a lot of apologies offered.

We don't know everything. Yet.
I know one thing, and it is that this clarity is not the same answer as the one I was promised back when I tried to unravel the mysteries CE, Iris, AdjutantReflex, and Halo 3 teased me with, it is a reimagined, heavily retconed one, with an entirely different pace and resolution. 343i are teasing me with the carrot and making me walk those extra miles (that did not exist in the past), which are just making this trip tedious.

I think you're being a bit naive here, seeing it from far too positive angle. Do you really wan't Halo to become such a thoroughly--to the point of mundanity--described regularly occurring science fiction franshise that's so oftenly shown that it wears off its glow? Again, that's why I brought it up in this thread. Because evidently 343i believes that Spartan Ops is sufficient enough in quality to tell a story in the Haloverse.

One can tell all kinds of stories in most universes, but that doesn't mean that one should. A franchise is not bound to be an alternative universe in which one depicts everything. Halo most certainly wasn't, it was a slice/thread of a story, and I'll stick with that it shouldn't be anything more. Expanding it just ruins it as a whole. Otherwise, where's the human civilian side, I want a trilogy about that. What do the poets say of the war?

We'll see what everyone feels in ten years...Posted by: SOME cGUY789Oh, I totally agree, Chief too should be set on trial for the ODSTs that he accidentally killed.

[Edited on 11.20.2012 11:07 AM PST]

  • 11.20.2012 10:47 AM PDT

I completely understand your position, Janaka. But I suppose it will ultimately come down to preference.

But as for Spartan Ops, I don't think it's the be all and end all of exploring the narrative or pushing the storyline forward. It merely provides a casual sliver of the Halo universe. We're seeing Halo form the POV of the mortals.

  • 11.20.2012 11:11 AM PDT

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Posted by: MaxRealflugel
I completely understand your position, Janaka. But I suppose it will ultimately come down to preference.
Yeah, preference is everything, that's why I've pretty much come to the conclusion--even though I still rant about it daily untill Destiny comes along--that I'll leave Halo tothose who likes what it has become, and set my gaze towards other universes. It's just a bit hard cause Halo really was near perfect for me, and that it more or less is one of the kind; other game universes just don't cut it, not even Mass Effect.

[Edited on 11.20.2012 11:28 AM PST]

  • 11.20.2012 11:27 AM PDT

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Posted by: SOME cGUY789
Lets use Hitler and the -blam!-s(yeah i know) Now assume they ended up in control of the world and carried out their plans, what if a rule by them would be better for the worlds growth? Would it have excused the fact that they would ethically cleanse millions of people?

That analogy does not work. Halsey, through unethical methods, brought benefit to all of Human civilization. Hitler, through the wildly unethical methods of the Final Solution, brought no benefits. How are these two in any way comparable?

Hitler would not get away with the Final Solution if his regime somehow brought benefit to Humanity (Which totalitarian fascism can never do anyway...) because the Final Solution would not and could not have been the means employed to bring it. It would still stand alone as the act that it was. Halsey on the other hand brought benefits directly through the S-II program. The two are linked.

Posted by: haloplayer2kill
So because her actions eventually lead to good, that means she should get off scott free?

Well the intention was always to do good. It's not a case that they just happened to end up having benefits in the end. They were always intended to do so.

Posted by: haloplayer2kill
So if an evil man, does horrible things to people, but somehow his actions later lead to saving people, even though he is evil, he should not be put on trial because even though he did horrible things, the good out weighs the bad?

I don't think we have established Halsey as evil yet, and her motivations are more complicated than simply harming people just because.

Posted by: haloplayer2kill
Or what if a man invents wonderful tools that benefit humanity, and save people, make the human life better.....but his methods in creating said tech is by sacrificing/experimenting on people to get said best tech. But according to your beliefs, because his actions have benefited some people, the whole experimenting on people, even causing some people to die, should just be ignored.

If these benefits are direly needed by Humanity either now or in the near future then the situation is not dissimilar to the one Halsey found herself in. If they are not needed the his actions are totally unacceptable in every way, and are also in no way comparable to Halsey's situation.

Posted by: ninjakenzen
*eugh

Spartan-IV's.

Dum braindead idiots with expensive MJOLNIR armour. What a waste of equipment.

And to think the S-III's had to settle with SPI at the time.

I was sort of shocked that someone who has the supposed right to carry the name of Spartan would dash out of cover, disobeying orders, like a hothead towards a 10ft tall metal biped that could probably swat him like a bug. (And did)

Posted by: MaxRealflugel
Do you watch/read Game of Thrones and complain about the politics?

That isn't saying anything, based on the fact that political intrigue was not one of Halo's defining characteristics in the first place.

Most of the issues that I see people having aren't to do with the political intrigue anyway but with the iconoclasm that is being included with it, and it's not just the politics either. It's in almost everything 343i is doing from art design to characterization and plot. Politics could easily fit with Halo if it was balanced somehow, but far from balance there is instead a state where the fiction is now internally inconsistent.

Honestly, the resources of 343i should instead have been used to make a completely new game universe. Obviously they don't like Halo as it was and they just seem constrained by it. It would have been much better than trying to pass it off as Halo. I don't know what happened to them. I used to love their work pre-2011, but then it all just went down the toilet.

I put it this way. If you want GoT and Halo to be identical thematically, then you don't need one. Why people would want the Halo franchise to conform to the standards of another is beyond me.

  • 11.20.2012 11:43 AM PDT

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Posted by: anton1792
Honestly, the resources of 343i should instead have been used to make a completely new game universe. Obviously they don't like Halo as it was and they just seem constrained by it. It would have been much better than trying to pass it off as Halo. I don't know what happened to them. I used to love their work pre-2011, but then it all just went down the toilet.

I put it this way. If you want GoT and Halo to be identical thematically, then you don't need one. Why people would want the Halo franchise to conform to the standards of another is beyond me.
So much truth in this it hurts.

[Edited on 11.20.2012 11:50 AM PST]

  • 11.20.2012 11:47 AM PDT

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Posted by: SOME cGUY789
You know whats funny? I like Halsey she's my second favorite character in Halo. But even then she should still be punished, I never mentioned the poeple behind the S-3 project becasue they aren't Halsey they don't have a place in this argument. If the S-3 project went public in the Halo Universe then I'd want to see the people who were in charge of that, (that are still alive) Punished as well.

It really amazes me how some of you think she should be excused becasue of the good shes done. It weird how they think its fine she kinaped around 150 children and willingly let them be put through brutal training at still think she should be put on to of a fricken pedestal as if she was some great Heroine.


You sir, are ignoring the primary issue most people have with her character being constantly torn down. First, its the guilt and hypocracy of the very people attacking her. Parangosky most certainly IS relevant to this discussion because she authorized both S2 and S3. How do you think she should be given a pass but not Halsey. Same goes for Mendez, he's just as guilty as she is if not more. Why is he walking free?

Second, eh em. SHE DID NOT RANDOMLY WALK DOWN THE STREET AND KIDNAP CHILDREN. The entire project was authorized, funded and supported by Parangosky, et al Oni Section 3. Stop acting like what she did was of her own making and not the actions of the UNSC government. Whats next? You want to court martial every soldier as murderers for following orders in Afghanistan?? Why arent you condemning every single person who was involved in the S2 project instead of just focusing on Halsey and giving everyone else a pass. Every single DI, every doctor, every mess deck cook and every single person who ever laid eyes on one of the spartans in training is just as guilty as Halsey. By your logic we should imprison them all.

Im just saying this: Halsey should not be out there to dry alone, those who authorized paid for and participated in the project are just as guilty and culpable; and the fact that some of these people are pointing the finger of contempt at her is more than I can take.

  • 11.20.2012 11:52 AM PDT