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Posted by: fsabran
Posted by: the real Janaka
Halsey "made" Infinity - another piece of evidence--they just keep piling up--for why she should be held a prisoner casue of her crimes against humanity.
And.. even more blatantly obvious exhibition.. How is this rewarding? It's even more mindless than Stargåte.I dont know about you but to me lasky looked (as always) rather friendly to Halsey.I'm sure they're doing this deliberately; making some of us worked up over how Halsey is treated etc, just so that they after a while can make us feel releaved when--what they believe are old school Halo style characters, in this case mr.The Laskey-discovery--eventually sweep in and save the day.
It's simple really, all one does is undermine and bastardise the characters for a while, just so that one doesn't actually have to continue the hard work of maintaining their former splendour--the reason they had fans--by constantly comming up with worthwhile dialogue, fitting characteristics, noteworthy behaviour, and instead free them of their oppression once they've drawn-out the tenstion for as long as it is possible. It's a legit tactic.
I assure you; when Halsey finally gets some kind of retribution, these very forums will light up all kinds of you were wrong to doubt 343i statements. But here's the thing; was the actual journey pleasurable? I don't think it is.Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Posted by: MaxRealflugel
Karen Traviss' novels simply show us the other side of opinion towards Halsey. And that includes Osman, and the likes of Mal and Vaz. That's all. It's not fact. It's opinion.
I agree that Halsey is the true saviour of mankind. But that doesn't make her actions, kidnapping children, all fine and dandy.
The problem is there is no counter-point in the novels.
Oh, and the mass hypocrisy that Halsey is the biggest -blam!- evil and is like Mengele, but basically going behind the leader of the UEG and UNSC and causing trouble for their allies.
Oh, and Vaz hating halsey but literally having no issue with s3's.
There doesn't need to be one. If you want a counter point, go look at literally every other Halo story involving Halsey ever. They'd be beating a dead horse by re-re-re-introducing the same old "she saved mankind" perspective. On the flipside, we've never seen a perspective where she's seen as evil.
Perhaps that's the point? Parangosky openly admits she will burn for her actions, and that she is a cruel person. We know that, she knows that, everyone knows that. She is a hyopcrite, but she is the head of the House of Lies, of course she'll be dishonest. Her problem with Halsey isn't a moral one anway, it's a legal one. She only brings up the moral black hole of the Spartan program to make a different point about Halsey's selfishness in making the clones without authorization. Now is she a selfish person? Maybe, maybe not, but that isn't the point. The point is that the decision is split between one side (Kilo-5) and everything else (Everything Else). Kilo-5 is the counterargument to Halsey being seen as the savior, where instead she's seen as a mad scientist. The point is: what will happen given the circumstances and various perspectives, not whether or not the perspectives are true. Parangosky's hypocrisy just further emphasizes the idea that no one in power is perfect, that near everyone with power is corrupt.
I do not recall this. As far as I know, Vaz has no issues with the Spartans themselves, and in fact believes all of the Spartans to be the product of Halsey.So this is what Halo has become; a bureaucratic and in depth character portrayal with focus on moral and war ethics, seen from enough perspectives to have us doubt and debate the truth?
You wrote that Halsey not yet had been seen from a perspective where she could be perceived as evil. First of all, why should she, what does that possibly have to do with the core story? Secondly, why stop at her; why not show everyone from an evil perspective? Let's take John, he's killed a couple of marines during training, why not have him struggle with inner ghosts, have him prosecuted now that the war is over? Thirdly, why is the dark and realistic side so damn interesting, why not go through a cycle of emotions, next up their all angsty, and then lets have a comedic take on the universe? The Halo games have always had a summer blockbusteresque sense of action-adventure comedy, why not let that bloom, give the franchise a couple of installments where we explore that side? I'm sure tons and tons of people would praise the witty and funny the new live action series focusing on Han Solo style heroics and badassery with hilarious one-liners, just like they did FUD, for whatever it had.Mixing things up is a huge joke. Some of you might like it, but it makes no sense within the contex of the old work, it diminishes it all, it's just another way to prolong the story, make it branch out to the point where every other event/intrigue is no more than a diversion. It's turned into Stargåte or Star Wars, they're trying to find a pace with which they can keep expanding the universe for another ten-twenty years. How many billions has Halo made?
I'm bringing it up now, cause Spartan Ops makes it all so obvious. Just look at what we actually are receiving, it's a story in one room, told through GCI shorts, and a gameplay session in the other, told through literally repeated instances with litte to no extra detail whatsoever.
They're trying to figure out the bare minimum people will settle for; accept as a viable Halo experience. What we deem worthy of being a storytelling device. What we're willing to associate with Halo in terms of what is sufficient enough to tell the story.
The resolution of the narrative has increased to the point where every minute operation and political step has to be told as superfluous as possible, portray all characters as profoundly as possible. (Although, they are repeating themselves quite often in service of those who haven't read the books - A.Is, Spartans, Halsey's past, etc).
We had two books that were supposed to build up the reason for why the Covenant yet again were hostileand even so, it barely weaved itself into the actual campaign, but into glorified multi maps--and how the UNSC suddenly, within four years, after being near extinction, leveled up an entire tier. Then we have an entire side mode dedicated to what exactly, tell the story of Infinity and some new Spartans and new plot devices, where is it leading? Is it supposed to act as a bridge betwixt four and five, in that case, what's the third Kilo-five for?
If we had two books to build up Halo 4, how many do you think we'll have for 5 and 6? A mini series for each, spin-offs?
Spartan Ops is the lowest the series has ever sunk, but I guess the shiny CGI is blinding.
I'm fascinated that not more are freaking out over this.
[Edited on 11.20.2012 9:00 AM PST]