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Posted by: the real Janaka
Hold on.. When exactly did Halsey make the Infinity? It must have been after she left Onyx right, in which case it must have been buildt within two years? Anyone recall exactly what Cortana said about it?


Well, she did help install all the forerunner parts (which apparently was just the engines yet they acted as if it was way more).

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Posted by: MaxRealflugel
I don't have any proof. I just know Halo really well, and how it will turn out.

Halo 5 will reveal all.

The clues are there. And the path has already been laid. It was laid quite a while ago. Expect Blue Team at some point, Cortana and Thel to make an appearance later on in the trilogy.

Of course, this is just my theory. But in case you doubt my abilities I did predict the following:

Geas
UNSC Infinity
The Master Chief's change in attitude.
An ancient evil.

All were predicted whilst Bungie still made Halo.

Whether you still believe me or not is entirely up to you...


...


Agreed. "I predicted this stuff!" doesn't say much. Also, you are acting as if you had factual proof. going "I don't have any proof, I just know halo really well!" doesn't say anything good.

  • 11.20.2012 4:26 PM PDT

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I thought it was abundantly obvious that Cortana is finished.

  • 11.20.2012 4:33 PM PDT

+1 for you good sir.


Posted by: switch 104 sv
Finally, Ep. 3 is here. Spoilers or whatever:

- The Artifact was a transmitter/teleporter

- Jul has made an in-game appearance. :)

- Everybody hates Halsey because she's a "war criminal" -__-

Thoughts?

I think Halsey is very underappreciated for what she did.

  • 11.20.2012 4:50 PM PDT

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Posted by: MaxRealflugel
UNSC Infinity

All were predicted whilst Bungie still made Halo.
To be clear, when was "whilst Bungie still made Halo"?

Not saying I don't believe you, but could you give me some details on how you predicted Infinity at that time? The other ones I get.

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  • 11.20.2012 5:56 PM PDT

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I'd probably say that if you follow the original trilogy and the first round of books up until Contact Harvest it actually paints a picture that doesn't suggest Infinity, the opposite really. In fact I'd say that up until that point the way the universe was portrayed it almost was saying "Don't put all your eggs in one basket".

Reach, the Trafalgar, Unyielding Hierophant, High Charity, the NOVA detonation..... to me they have a message saying that investing in one massive thing, be it a single ship, a single fleet, a single planet, can only lead to absolute and utter annihilation when your enemy gets wind of it.

So then to have something like the Infinity turn up in Halo..... it just seems odd. Like they didn't understand that message. If the Infinity is destroyed, which could happen, then that old message will still ring true.

  • 11.20.2012 6:47 PM PDT

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Posted by: flamedude
I'd probably say that if you follow the original trilogy and the first round of books up until Contact Harvest it actually paints a picture that doesn't suggest Infinity, the opposite really. In fact I'd say that up until that point the way the universe was portrayed it almost was saying "Don't put all your eggs in one basket".

Reach, the Trafalgar, Unyielding Hierophant, High Charity, the NOVA detonation..... to me they have a message saying that investing in one massive thing, be it a single ship, a single fleet, a single planet, can only lead to absolute and utter annihilation when your enemy gets wind of it.

So then to have something like the Infinity turn up in Halo..... it just seems odd. Like they didn't understand that message. If the Infinity is destroyed, which could happen, then that old message will still ring true.
Well, I kind of understand why they added the Infinity, or actually, I know exactly why. Master Chief was far away, and they wanted a plot device that could bring the UNSC--that we know and love--to the scene, so that one could get human weapons, vehicles, etc, into the game in a rather logical way. Not that is was the only way, far from it, Requi--- let's call it the Legendary planet since it more appropriate for the time, could just as well have devices that were able to produce things that Cortana or The Dawn had blueprints for (like sentinel creators). Which would act as a bridge between Mjolnir and Combat Skin; Human and Forerunner. In other words; there are/were tons of possibilities.

But I digress.. If that was the kind of logic from which the conclusion of there being a massive space ship, came from, I do actually see how one could have though so back then, and now that I come to think of it, so did I, I've even written posts about it.. Ignore my previous post, MaxRealflugel.

Also, the Infinity will probably be destroyed sooner or later, it's just one of those things that fits as an appropriate loss, in terms of storytelling. Halcyon swarm ftw!

[Edited on 11.20.2012 7:45 PM PST]

  • 11.20.2012 7:26 PM PDT

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I wonder though how old are the average human. I mean what is the average age, this could determine the reaction of the society, to halseys action. Rembember most may be young, so they will not understand wanting to kill other humans, just the covenant as the enemy.

  • 11.20.2012 7:39 PM PDT

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A question i have is how long will it take for a new group of UNSC ships to start being manufactured.

  • 11.20.2012 7:41 PM PDT

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Posted by: risay_117
A question i have is how long will it take for a new group of UNSC ships to start being manufactured.
The Infinity for instance was buildt within two, max three years. Unless they buildt everything except the engines before.. But that wouldn't make much sense, would it?

  • 11.20.2012 7:47 PM PDT
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Posted by: the real Janaka
Posted by: risay_117
A question i have is how long will it take for a new group of UNSC ships to start being manufactured.
The Infinity for instance was buildt within two, max three years. Unless they buildt everything except the engines before.. But that wouldn't make much sense, would it?

It was mentioned in Glasslands that they were working on the Infinity before Halsey ever left Onyx and Del Rio had been captain for quite a while at that point.

  • 11.20.2012 8:03 PM PDT

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Posted by: the real Janaka
Posted by: risay_117
A question i have is how long will it take for a new group of UNSC ships to start being manufactured.
The Infinity for instance was buildt within two, max three years. Unless they buildt everything except the engines before.. But that wouldn't make much sense, would it?

It was mentioned in Glasslands that they were working on the Infinity before Halsey ever left Onyx and Del Rio had been captain for quite a while at that point.
How could he be captain of a ship without engines, did they just retrofit the entire ship when they suddenly got their hands on Forerunner engines? So back when people were arguing that it was possible to build it because of Forerunner tech, it was actually already buildt with human tech? Why even start building such a huge UNSC ship if they knew the tech wasn't any better than the rest of the ships, only larger, what good would that possibly do?

To much space magic *head expodes*

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Posted by: the real Janaka
He was selected as the Captain that would command the ship once it was ready for use. So all he really did until then was help oversee it's construction.

  • 11.20.2012 9:08 PM PDT

Not the Infinity, specifically. But Mankind's ability to respond -- to counter the Covenant at the end. A desperate gamble. I always believed they had something left. But I thought it was more than one ship.

Then again, the Infinity does house its own fleet.

You're all right, of course. I have no proof. Just a train of thought. A similar mindset, perhaps, to those who make the important decisions on future narrative.

Oh, and according to some sources, they started on the Infinity decades ago. "Took decades to build" springs to mind as well.
But I guarantee Cortana will return.

I also write on a blog called 'The Secrets Within'. It's on here where I voiced some of my theories. And I used others to structure fanfiction: The Halo 3 Epilogue



[Edited on 11.20.2012 11:59 PM PST]

  • 11.20.2012 11:57 PM PDT

To be clear, when was "whilst Bungie still made Halo"?

Not saying I don't believe you, but could you give me some details on how you predicted Infinity at that time? The other ones I get.


Sorry, Janaka, missed this one.

Right, the Infinity. It came down to common sense and the way the backstory of Halo was going.

I never believed the Spartans were mankind's last gamble. There's not enough of them for a start. And one well placed grenade and you lose a Spartan. Too easy to lose them. Too easy to lose the war.

But the books have always maintained mankind's ability to innovate, not replicate like the Covenant. So why haven't we come up with something else? So I looked over aspects of technological discoveries -- namely Onyx. here's a world discovered and settled upon, and surveyed by ONI, under the direction of Parangosky. We were looking at Forerunner technology before the Covenant appeared. So ONI knew there was alien life out there somewhere.

With this in mind, and the unusual approach the UNSC took to fighting the war: building more frigates and not larger, more capable craft, I surmised that ONI must have something in reserve. They must have something big up their collective sleeves that will be used as a last resort should the Covenant reach Earth.

Other evidence came from the fact that some colonies had not been discovered by the Covenant. So you still have manpower, resources and somewhere to build it. I honestly thought they would build that 'something' there, and not in the Oort cloud at the very edge of the solar system.

I started thinking this after reading Ghosts of Onyx.

I thought there was a fleet of advanced ships, not one large ass-whooping vessel.

I know it probably doesn't sound like much. But the previous sentences simply gave birth to the theory. If I tried to put down all of it my head would explode.

  • 11.21.2012 12:18 AM PDT

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Posted by: Ds2vet FL

Posted by: SOME cGUY789
You know whats funny? I like Halsey she's my second favorite character in Halo. But even then she should still be punished, I never mentioned the poeple behind the S-3 project becasue they aren't Halsey they don't have a place in this argument. If the S-3 project went public in the Halo Universe then I'd want to see the people who were in charge of that, (that are still alive) Punished as well.

It really amazes me how some of you think she should be excused becasue of the good shes done. It weird how they think its fine she kinaped around 150 children and willingly let them be put through brutal training at still think she should be put on to of a fricken pedestal as if she was some great Heroine.


You sir, are ignoring the primary issue most people have with her character being constantly torn down. First, its the guilt and hypocracy of the very people attacking her. Parangosky most certainly IS relevant to this discussion because she authorized both S2 and S3. How do you think she should be given a pass but not Halsey. Same goes for Mendez, he's just as guilty as she is if not more. Why is he walking free?

Second, eh em. SHE DID NOT RANDOMLY WALK DOWN THE STREET AND KIDNAP CHILDREN. The entire project was authorized, funded and supported by Parangosky, et al Oni Section 3. Stop acting like what she did was of her own making and not the actions of the UNSC government. Whats next? You want to court martial every soldier as murderers for following orders in Afghanistan??


Not the same with soldiers in afghanistan. Most of the time they fight terrorist enemy combatants, people trying to kill them, not innocent civilians, like the kids were that Hasley took.

And your right Hasley was under orders, however the whole "i was just following orders" is not a justification for committing wrong. If a soldier was ordered to murder several children, then he and those who ordered the attack should be punished.

  • 11.21.2012 2:09 AM PDT

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Posted by: Ds2vet FL

Posted by: SOME cGUY789
You know whats funny? I like Halsey she's my second favorite character in Halo. But even then she should still be punished, I never mentioned the poeple behind the S-3 project becasue they aren't Halsey they don't have a place in this argument. If the S-3 project went public in the Halo Universe then I'd want to see the people who were in charge of that, (that are still alive) Punished as well.

It really amazes me how some of you think she should be excused becasue of the good shes done. It weird how they think its fine she kinaped around 150 children and willingly let them be put through brutal training at still think she should be put on to of a fricken pedestal as if she was some great Heroine.


You sir, are ignoring the primary issue most people have with her character being constantly torn down. First, its the guilt and hypocracy of the very people attacking her. Parangosky most certainly IS relevant to this discussion because she authorized both S2 and S3. How do you think she should be given a pass but not Halsey. Same goes for Mendez, he's just as guilty as she is if not more. Why is he walking free?

Second, eh em. SHE DID NOT RANDOMLY WALK DOWN THE STREET AND KIDNAP CHILDREN. The entire project was authorized, funded and supported by Parangosky, et al Oni Section 3. Stop acting like what she did was of her own making and not the actions of the UNSC government. Whats next? You want to court martial every soldier as murderers for following orders in Afghanistan??


Not the same with soldiers in afghanistan. Most of the time they fight terrorist enemy combatants, people trying to kill them, not innocent civilians, like the kids were that Hasley took.

And your right Hasley was under orders, however the whole "i was just following orders" is not a justification for committing wrong. If a soldier was ordered to murder several children, then he and those who ordered the attack should be punished.


Youre now justifying a difference. IRL soldiers followed orders into Iraq looking for fake WMD's, should they all be tried as war criminals or just the politicians who mislead us all? Of course not and its the same with Halsey. Everything she did was sanctioned by her government and we dont have an expectation that one day our government will hang us out to dry. However, im not trying to obsolve Halsey. She did little evil to do a greater good and it was always with the intent of doing good. Others did far worse and arent even having their wrists slapped.
Im not arguing over her innocence so much as im arguing over her character being portrayed as the worst thing since N@#i Germany and a solo mad scientist act while everyone else involve and actually responsible are without blame.

  • 11.21.2012 2:33 AM PDT


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Posted by: Xd00999
Posted by: the real Janaka
Posted by: risay_117
A question i have is how long will it take for a new group of UNSC ships to start being manufactured.
The Infinity for instance was buildt within two, max three years. Unless they buildt everything except the engines before.. But that wouldn't make much sense, would it?

It was mentioned in Glasslands that they were working on the Infinity before Halsey ever left Onyx and Del Rio had been captain for quite a while at that point.
How could he be captain of a ship without engines, did they just retrofit the entire ship when they suddenly got their hands on Forerunner engines? So back when people were arguing that it was possible to build it because of Forerunner tech, it was actually already buildt with human tech? Why even start building such a huge UNSC ship if they knew the tech wasn't any better than the rest of the ships, only larger, what good would that possibly do?

To much space magic *head expodes*


Apparently by time of Earth it was mostly done, but the slipspace engines were giving them trouble. Then post-war they redid/refitted the ship with all the new shiny -blam!-.

They do mention it was using all the reverse engineered tech they had up to that point. Though they still haven't explained how they got forerunner enhanced slipspace engines before unlocking onyx.

[Edited on 11.21.2012 6:37 AM PST]

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Posted by: ninjakenzen
*eugh

Spartan-IV's.

Dum braindead idiots with expensive MJOLNIR armour. What a waste of equipment.

And to think the S-III's had to settle with SPI at the time.


Think of them as ODSTs. I don't see them as spartan's whatsoever. Then again they probably were ODSTs before going into the program, seeing as the UNSC finally achieved their goals set out with Orion.

  • 11.21.2012 7:23 AM PDT


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Posted by: ninjakenzen
*eugh

Spartan-IV's.

Dum braindead idiots with expensive MJOLNIR armour. What a waste of equipment.

And to think the S-III's had to settle with SPI at the time.


Think of them as ODSTs. I don't see them as spartan's whatsoever. Then again they probably were ODSTs before going into the program, seeing as the UNSC finally achieved their goals set out with Orion.


Even ODST's weren't that dumb. I can understand joking but Palmer's actions/words while on duty and commanding is just... not what I see an officer doing.

Turning a mission in a combat situation into a game?

  • 11.21.2012 7:26 AM PDT

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Posted by: risay_117
A question i have is how long will it take for a new group of UNSC ships to start being manufactured.
The Infinity for instance was buildt within two, max three years. Unless they buildt everything except the engines before.. But that wouldn't make much sense, would it?
The infinity was under construction since 2537, but the engines were only upgraded/replaced while in construction.

  • 11.21.2012 7:40 AM PDT

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Posted by: the real Janaka
Posted by: Xd00999
Posted by: the real Janaka
Posted by: risay_117
A question i have is how long will it take for a new group of UNSC ships to start being manufactured.
The Infinity for instance was buildt within two, max three years. Unless they buildt everything except the engines before.. But that wouldn't make much sense, would it?

It was mentioned in Glasslands that they were working on the Infinity before Halsey ever left Onyx and Del Rio had been captain for quite a while at that point.
How could he be captain of a ship without engines, did they just retrofit the entire ship when they suddenly got their hands on Forerunner engines? So back when people were arguing that it was possible to build it because of Forerunner tech, it was actually already buildt with human tech? Why even start building such a huge UNSC ship if they knew the tech wasn't any better than the rest of the ships, only larger, what good would that possibly do?

To much space magic *head expodes*
Wait are you saying that Halo wasnt full of space magic bull-blam!- since the begining, what about the NOVA, or the "Plasma" that didnt act like plasma, or the Nukes that are effective on space,i could go on but i wont, im just goig to say this, Halo has been as much as a space magic marathon as star trek since the beggining.

  • 11.21.2012 7:43 AM PDT

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Posted by: MaxRealflugelThanks, I always find it interesting to see the process from thought to theory, especially if it about something that isn't all that evident.
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Apparently by time of Earth it was mostly done, but the slipspace engines were giving them trouble. Then post-war they redid/refitted the ship with all the new shiny -blam!-.

They do mention it was using all the reverse engineered tech they had up to that point. Though they still haven't explained how they got forerunner enhanced slipspace engines before unlocking onyx.
I guess I took Halsey a bit too seriously when she said that she had made the Infinity.. Cause she most definitelly did not work on if for more than two years, unless they've somehow squeezed it into her schedule, during her work with A.I's, etc, and have her own mind not mention it once.

I'd really like something similar to Halsey's journal, that describes what went into building the Infinity, cause as it is right now, I feel like a lot of the details are overlapping each other, rendering some of it implausible and messy. I really don't buy that the UNSC's most advanced ship to date was buildt by patching together a little technology now and then, like they didn't know what they were aiming towards. One does after all not start building an airplane without knowing what engines it will use. Why build it the way it is if one doesn't know what technology one will use, or how it will work? It just feels really sloppy to not take hull capacity, internal forces from engines, energy requirements, etc, into concideration before one decides to start the project.

That's what I mean with space magic; when one can just do this and that without any complications, and make everything work perfectly. If Halo is supposed to be gritty and realistic in any way, it should be how technology works, especially the UNSC's. I imagine it exactly like it was done in Arms Race.Posted by: fsabranWe have two different definitions of what space magic is.

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  • 11.21.2012 7:44 AM PDT

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Posted by: the real Janaka
Posted by: MaxRealflugelThanks, I always find it interesting to see the process from thought to theory, especially if it about something that isn't all that evident.
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Apparently by time of Earth it was mostly done, but the slipspace engines were giving them trouble. Then post-war they redid/refitted the ship with all the new shiny -blam!-.

They do mention it was using all the reverse engineered tech they had up to that point. Though they still haven't explained how they got forerunner enhanced slipspace engines before unlocking onyx.
I'd really like something similar to Halsey's journal, that describes what went into building the Infinity, cause as it is right now, I feel like a lot of the details are overlapping each other, rendering some of it implausible and messy. I really don't buy that the UNSC's most advanced ship to date was buildt by patching together a little technology now and then, like they didn't know what they were aiming towards. Why build it the way it is if you don't gt the engines to work? It just feels really sloppy to not take hull capacity, internal forces from engines, etc, into concideration before one decides to start the project.

That's what I mean with space magic; when one can just do this and that without any complications, and make everything work perfectly. If Halo is supposed to be gritty and realistic in any way, it should be how technology works, especially the UNSC's. I imagine it exactly like it was done in Arms Race.Posted by: fsabranWe have two different definitions of what space magic is.
Space magis is something that contradidcts common sense or science for the benefit of the plot, all of those things i listed fit into it, especialy the "plasma", you see we know how the PT's work, they are a bunch of superheated plasma held together by a magnetic field, so you know, another magnetic field should distrup/destroy the other magnetic field, but this doenst hapen, so we have to options:
1-the UNSC are more imcompetent then the Federation
2-(the cannon one) it's not "plasma it's something much more archane and dangerous.
another one, how did no one manage to figure out that the prophets were conspiracing agaist the great journey, what if the exterminating of the reclaimers and all.
why didnt the UNSC just mass produce destroyers only, they are the most cost effective UNSC ships after all, because of the two MAC's then teoreticaly two destroyers would be enought to destroy a CCS class batlecruiser in one salvo.
I could go on butr i would rather not right now, so in resume, without even including the foreruners i am going to say that you can absolutely not say that the new halo has too much space magic when the hole universe was built on it.

  • 11.21.2012 7:56 AM PDT

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Posted by: fsabranCalm down, you're all over the place with the subject and your typing is a bit too rushed (and please don't quote the entire pyramid, that just messes up the page).

You can't just simply say that something is a certain way, and call it the day. I wrote that we had two different definitions on what it is. Here's mine:

First of all, Halo is a science fiction universe. This means that it is allowed to take certain leaps of faith, exaggerate things, and scew some things to its favour.

The Nova bomb--for instace--is not space magic in my book, since it is plausible in a sci-fi verse. It is just a more powerfull bomb than the others. It's power is limited/compensated by there not being many of them. Off topic: it is however one of my least favourite parts of the lore.

Plasma is not space magic either. It premises on the idea of bending ionised gas through magnetic fields. It is science fiction, but it's got a foundation in reality.

Now, what I do think is space magic, is when something works without plausible explanation, when the description of its function is ommisioned just so that it can work, when one can compare it to similar--already defined--problems and not have the same result, or when something is introduced that suddenly changes how the universe's physics work, withough redefining it ground up. Or drastically downplaying a well defined theme/law just so that the plot can work. Redusing or increasing the amount of resources or time, etc, just so that it can fit the plot. Retconing does not exactly fit into this, but is is usually the answer for why something has changed.

At this moment the Infinity is poorly defined, and it falls into a couple of the cathegories I listed.

With two damn books setting up Halo 4, that's unforgivable.

Btw, even if space magic did occur in the past, why see that as a get away free card just because of that, why continue being lazy, and sloppy, why blindly forgive all of a sudden? Aim to improve!

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  • 11.21.2012 8:30 AM PDT

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Posted by: the real Janaka
Sorry about the grammar, my keyboard is having problems and i am a bit ocupied right now.
Okay if you want an example of your space magic, take this In Halo 2 2 ships in regret's fleet managed to pass trought the defense grid, now how did they manage to go throught 148 (number of ODP's facing this side of the planet at all times minus the Malta and the other one) when the SMAC's werestated to fire a shot that could pass throught any know covenant ship every five seconds plus about a 100+ ships in the home fleet, now that is either a retcon or a plot hole that the plot demanded, then there's reach but i would rather forget about that.
And no, im not asking you to stop complainig about it, i do complain about it to, what i am asking of you is to stop viewing the original trilogy as a perfect example of Sci-Fi writing because i wasnt, they made the same mistakes as 343i is making but they still made a great universe, so why cant you acept it now like you acepted it then.

  • 11.21.2012 9:42 AM PDT