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In this week's update, Frankie talks about how smart the enemy AI will be in Halo 3. He says that while he was fighting some Grunts and something 'bigger than a Grunt' (probably a Drinol or maybe a Flood Juggernaut) another group of Grunts came around and flanked him in a Pincer Movement. I guess this means that an alliance or even a truce between Elites (and their allies Grunts and Hunters) and Humans either never happened, or has fallen apart at some point after Halo 2 ends. I didn't really think or want there to be an Elite/Human alliance, but I thought a truce would make for a fun game and a more interesting storyline. What do you think?

  • 07.02.2006 3:47 AM PDT
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He could have just been testing the AI by fighting against them. Don't jump to conclusions.

  • 07.02.2006 3:51 AM PDT
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It could be a test run, you're right, but he did start the article talking about how they are doing a campaign testing now.


And isn't jumping to conclusions what forums are for?

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  • 07.02.2006 3:55 AM PDT
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perhaps the covie invading earth are oblivious to the events at high charity? In which case, the MC would have to fight them.

Alternitively, the alliance could brake apart/form properly half way throgh the campaign, meaning the player will have ample opeprtunity to fight with and against the covie.

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  • 07.02.2006 4:00 AM PDT
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maybe, but if the news traveled far enough to start Ship Battles between Brute and Elite controlled ships in other parts of space, it definitely could have made it to Earth. The Covenant in charge of the Earth Invasion before Truth left High Charity could have just kept the info to themselves and waited until after the Humans were destroyed to release it. I don't know why they would do that though, since the Elites and Brutes (one of which was probably in charge on Earth) seem to hate each other much more than the Humans.

  • 07.02.2006 5:23 AM PDT
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It's not like they are a hive mind, individuals are allowed to have an opinion. Some Grunts may have decided to stay loyal to the Prophets.

  • 07.02.2006 5:27 AM PDT
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when he says its somethen bigger then a grunt he doesnt actually say its a new creature, theres a chance hes just messen with us and it was just an elite or somethen

  • 07.02.2006 5:38 AM PDT
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That's true, I just figured that he'd have a reason for not telling us. I certainly wouldn't put 'just messing with us' out of the picture.

  • 07.02.2006 5:39 AM PDT
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I'll bet you anything he was playing as a brute

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  • 07.02.2006 5:45 AM PDT
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oh!!! I never even thought of that. DAMN! It's a possibility. That would be wierd.

  • 07.02.2006 5:48 AM PDT
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But why?

  • 07.02.2006 5:52 AM PDT

These are the pale deaths...

panzer, keep in mind that Frank O'Connor, as the Content Monkey, that also includes marketing, which is involved in the games 'content', thus he is expected to tantalize us with this. You jumped to conclusions by saying it was a drinol or flood juggernaut, instead of assuming it was Jackals with a new semi-circle advancement or a encirclement tech nique, or even brutes with jackals doing a roman shield thing. Pray grenades still bounce further, if that is so. Otherwise, we may be at a loss against such superior tactics.

Jumping to Conclusions is the way of the mind, however, and we cannot rule out that he is wrong.

  • 07.02.2006 5:55 AM PDT
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I don't know. Before Halo 2 was released, I couldn't think of any reason to play as an Elite, but it happened, and it had a good reason.

  • 07.02.2006 5:56 AM PDT
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I don't know. Before Halo 2 was released, I couldn't think of any reason to play as an Elite, but it happened, and it had a good reason.

As much as I find it unlikely to play as a Brute, I don't believe I have a rebuttal there. Touche.

  • 07.02.2006 6:01 AM PDT
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perhaps the covie invading earth are oblivious to the events at high charity? In which case, the MC would have to fight them.

Alternitively, the alliance could brake apart/form properly half way throgh the campaign, meaning the player will have ample opeprtunity to fight with and against the covie.


Both good answers. Remember, the rebellion was relatively new. The only fighting that we saw and knew about was around high charity. So, its quite likely that the covenant dont know that there was a rebellion.

  • 07.02.2006 6:02 AM PDT
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Even so, the rebellion could of not been kept secret. Not on that magnitude and not for very long. I believe that those still loyal to the prophet of Truth followed him to Earth. If you notice in the ending of Halo 2 and in the Halo 3 trailer. There we're only about a couple dozen ships, suggesting that the Prophet may only have a couple dozen covenant warships and several hundred thousand troops left loyal to him. So the rebellion could of grown to a huge magnitude by the Halo 3 trailer.

So who knows, we may yet have allies from the covenant on our side after all. It would be intresting for a story line to see that the covenant has truly broken apart for good.

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  • 07.02.2006 6:26 AM PDT
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Let's say the warring Covenant around Earth did get news about the rebellion, Brutes casting down the Elites and all that. Even if they found out that the Arbiter and a bunch of humans worked together to survive, what the heck would they do about it? Launch a bunch of arrowhead torpedos at the human ships and MAC cannons with notes stuck on them saying "we don't wanna fight anymore"? Big chance that'll work. They're already in the middle of a huge fight. Even if the original motive for fighting has become obsolete, many would keep it up out of hatred or revenge, or just for plain fun. I know that if I was a gunner on a starship, that I would definitely try to take down one Covenant ship for every time I saw a human ship explode. The Covenant would do the same. When it's started, there's no ending a fight like that until one side loses. Simple.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if the forces at Earth knew nothing about the rebellion, either. I mean, who would contact them, and why? All the Elites pretty much died, the Brutes have no reason to, and the Arbiter has no means of doing it, and probably would be dismissed as a liar anyhow.

  • 07.02.2006 7:00 AM PDT
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I think he might be fighting some heretic grunts since their smarter and deadlier

  • 07.02.2006 7:10 AM PDT
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Good point Roxfox. But, remember in the Conversations with the Universe packet shipped with the Halo 2 Collector's Edition two Elites were debating why the Prophets haven't offered the Humans enterance into the Covenant. Both Elites seem to think that the Humans are worthy, and don't seem to have any problem with them aside from the fact that the Prophets don't like them. Now that the Covenant has split, maybe they don't see a reason to fight anymore (but Roxfox is right, with so many losses on both sides, it would really be hard to go from enemies to friends so quickly).

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  • 07.02.2006 7:11 AM PDT
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" But, remember in the Conversations with the Universe packet shipped with the Halo 2 Collector's Edition two Elites were debating why the Prophets haven't offered the Humans enterance into the Covenant. Both Elites seem to think that the Humans are worthy, and don't seem to have any problem with them aside from the fact that the Prophets don't like them. "

Remember tho, that the Prophets most likely believe that the humans are the Forrunners. That they we're the ones who created the rings, they may see this as an oppostion to they're power in controling the Covenant. The prophets have claimed this war to be a " Holy war " but in truth it's a war for continued power. If the covenant ever knew the truth about the humans actually being the Forrunners. ( If they are ) Then the religon of the covenant would be different, they're leaders would be different do to the fact that the great journey is nothing really.

If that makes any sense at all.

  • 07.02.2006 7:23 AM PDT
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Similar to my own ideas. I'm keeping an open mind until this saga has been completed, but for now I choose to believe that the Prophets, or at least one of them, knows something that no one else does - that humans are, in fact, the decendants of the forerunner. The rest of the Covenant wouldn't accept seeing that their "gods" are simple humans, less advanced than any of their own race, the Prophets would lose their power, and since their power was the only thing keeping them from extinction, they'd be no more. They're fighting for their own survival. With humans out of the way, there's nothing that can prove that their gods aren't real gods. Nothing to keep the Prophets from maintaining their position in the middle of the universe's best bodyguards.

But, that's only a theory. Everything is just theories. We won't know anything until this has all ended. I'd be happy if I was proven wrong.

In fact, I'm not expecting to find out all the answers, even after having read all the books, watched the movie and completed the games. I suspect this'll never truly come to a real conclusion...

  • 07.02.2006 7:36 AM PDT
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they could be pissed about that bigass bomb MC dropped on them

  • 07.02.2006 7:37 AM PDT

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An alliance would be cool for the story, but elites, grunts, and hunters where the most fun to fight against.

  • 07.02.2006 7:38 AM PDT
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To play or not to play....

Elites and Humans are not entirely allies. Even though there were times when humans worked with the Elites in Halo 2 that may not make them allies. It just makes an uneasy truce between the arbiter and humans. This may lead to greater things such as a truce between all humans and all Elites further down the track but for now most Elite's don't even know how the humans helped the Arbiter.

Besides who said the creature mentioned was an Elite? The Grunts are well known for protecting the prophets and they are known to form groups on either side. Remember that Grunts fought against grunts when the Arbiter went after the Heretic. Though the grunts did begin to take the side of the Elites towards the end of Halo 2.

Maybe these grunts were in the arc and communications broke down when High Charity was lost. It is possible that some Grunts (and the covenant in general) still may not know anything about the events where the humans and Elites acted as allies (even if only for a while). Especially with the Prophet of Truth belching out his propoganda.

  • 07.02.2006 7:38 AM PDT
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V101 has a point, High charity was overn by the flood, if anyone did survive the civil war, they are probably going erghhhhhhhhaaaaaasluuurrrp in that lovely way flood do =p.

as to speclation on the "big thing"? it could be something as simple as a turret, hunter, vehicle or a stationary, non agresive targert (like teh wires you had to cut in halo 2 heratic level).

  • 07.02.2006 9:06 AM PDT

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