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Subject: Reach is better. Logical reasoning and proof inside.

Posted by: nightspark
So what if they used the Reach engine. Reach used the Halo 3 engine, Halo 3 used the Halo 2 engine, and Halo 2 used the CE engine. So I guess the bugs, glitches and exploits in H4 are all CE's fault. 343i chose to be retards and not properly beta test the game. There will always be bugs in software, you job as a dev is to squash as many as them as you can before your product ships. A public beta would have found a lot of them. Blame incompetent devs, not the engine.

Didnt dispute the engine history.
My point was that 343 was stupid to use the reach engine.

Reach was inferior to Halo 3.
Reach bombed in online number just 2 weeks after launch.
Why then would 343 use an engine which failed so badly???
(hope that was simple enough this time)

And - have to question this - your last point about;
"Blame incompetent devs, not the engine"?!?!
Agree to blame bungie - given as you pointed out the development history of the engine ... but also blame those heading up 343.

The 343 dev did NOT get a choice ... the call to use the reach engine would have come from further up the chain of command.
Would you take your crap car to a new mechanic and expect him to turn it into a dream machine?!?

  • 11.28.2012 4:05 AM PDT
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I just found about Liberty's updates to it's Reach campaign editor.

Now we can switch AI teams and get rid of fall damage? Holy -blam!- -blam!-! Looks like I'll be repaying Reach a little visit later...

This is Halo PC esque modding, really, really sweet!

[Edited on 11.28.2012 8:16 AM PST]

  • 11.28.2012 8:14 AM PDT
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Posted by: Oh GodLike One
Posted by: nightspark
So what if they used the Reach engine. Reach used the Halo 3 engine, Halo 3 used the Halo 2 engine, and Halo 2 used the CE engine. So I guess the bugs, glitches and exploits in H4 are all CE's fault. 343i chose to be retards and not properly beta test the game. There will always be bugs in software, you job as a dev is to squash as many as them as you can before your product ships. A public beta would have found a lot of them. Blame incompetent devs, not the engine.

Didnt dispute the engine history.
My point was that 343 was stupid to use the reach engine.

Reach was inferior to Halo 3.
Reach bombed in online number just 2 weeks after launch.
Why then would 343 use an engine which failed so badly???
(hope that was simple enough this time)

And - have to question this - your last point about;
"Blame incompetent devs, not the engine"?!?!
Agree to blame bungie - given as you pointed out the development history of the engine ... but also blame those heading up 343.

The 343 dev did NOT get a choice ... the call to use the reach engine would have come from further up the chain of command.
Would you take your crap car to a new mechanic and expect him to turn it into a dream machine?!?

Your excuse as to why Halo 4's bugs/glitches are so prevalent is because 343i decided to use the Halo engine. A public beta would have solved most (if not all) of what players are finding. The engine is not relevant. Incompetency is.

[Edited on 11.28.2012 9:07 AM PST]

  • 11.28.2012 9:05 AM PDT


Posted by: Oh GodLike One
Posted by: nightspark
So what if they used the Reach engine. Reach used the Halo 3 engine, Halo 3 used the Halo 2 engine, and Halo 2 used the CE engine. So I guess the bugs, glitches and exploits in H4 are all CE's fault. 343i chose to be retards and not properly beta test the game. There will always be bugs in software, you job as a dev is to squash as many as them as you can before your product ships. A public beta would have found a lot of them. Blame incompetent devs, not the engine.

Didnt dispute the engine history.
My point was that 343 was stupid to use the reach engine.

Reach was inferior to Halo 3.
Reach bombed in online number just 2 weeks after launch.
Why then would 343 use an engine which failed so badly???
(hope that was simple enough this time)

And - have to question this - your last point about;
"Blame incompetent devs, not the engine"?!?!
Agree to blame bungie - given as you pointed out the development history of the engine ... but also blame those heading up 343.

The 343 dev did NOT get a choice ... the call to use the reach engine would have come from further up the chain of command.
Would you take your crap car to a new mechanic and expect him to turn it into a dream machine?!?

it's best if you keep your mouth shut since you have no idea what you're talking about.

  • 11.28.2012 9:14 AM PDT

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Posted by: faceripper v2
Most of these problems are on the surface of gameplay. AKA easily fixed.

Reach was broken at it's core. Even after a title update the game was broken.

If more than one or two of these issues is still unresolved after 3-4 months after release then you could say reach was better. But ATM it's still too early to tell.

  • 11.28.2012 12:11 PM PDT

Posted by: Sliding Ghost
I just found about Liberty's updates to it's Reach campaign editor.

Now we can switch AI teams and get rid of fall damage? Holy -blam!- -blam!-! Looks like I'll be repaying Reach a little visit later...

This is Halo PC esque modding, really, really sweet!
A reason to play Reach again.

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  • 11.28.2012 12:41 PM PDT

Posted by: nightspark
Your excuse as to why Halo 4's bugs/glitches are so prevalent is because 343i decided to use the Halo engine. A public beta would have solved most (if not all) of what players are finding. The engine is not relevant. Incompetency is.

lol ... next you will be pointing to the [cough] public beta that bungie used with reach ... like that worked well. Even after the game release did bungie release an update - nope.

But lets link to the issues raised on the beta forum.
Oops ... wonder who removed them, why would they hide all those improvements ... yeah, right.

And not excusing 343 ... I agree that it was incompetency to use the crap reach engine. They had a choice, go quick/crap or wait for a quality job ... and they chose wrong - possibly killing off the halo brand (finishing bungies wish - one less for destiny to compete against)

  • 11.28.2012 4:26 PM PDT

Posted by: ARuff360
Posted by: nightspark
So what if they used the Reach engine.

it's best if you keep your mouth shut since you have no idea what you're talking about.

Steady on ... no need to start getting all abusive and harassing people, nightspark is entitled to put his POV.
If the rage is so strong at least post some supporting arguement (like the OP said "Logical reasoning and proof")

  • 11.28.2012 4:30 PM PDT

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Reach sucks.

  • 11.28.2012 4:42 PM PDT

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Posted by: nightspark
A public beta would have solved most (if not all) of what players are finding.



What do you think H4 is right now?

A complete, ready for the market game?

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Posted by: Gruntzilla24
I told you so.


Everyone told him so.

  • 11.29.2012 5:07 AM PDT

GG my friend,

i would like to include another premise upon your argument for strength and opinion.

thus seeing the numerous amount of changes, knowing by all close following bungie/halo fans that the franchise of halo was being turned over to a new group HARDLY anybody knew anything about. are reasons why halo 4 is lacking plausible attention from me, facts and reasons are = to a disastrous combination.

first my hypothesis before halo 4 = i thought it should be great! .. because there isn't really much to add to the game if you think about it. {note} ; "when franchises develop the sequel to games(considered by the masses and consumers to be a GOOD/positive change) there are not usually many changes", BUT if they did include many changes in the game predictable issues such as; the idea {HALO IS BEING CHANGED} would occur significantly obvious because of the fact everybody knew prior to the first experience of the game, halo 4 is being created by a new franchise and with it came an FLOOD of additional/excess amount of change

since this did occur, we can conclude that there have been MANY CHANGES
why are changes and the number of changes bad?

looking at what types of changes we have you can figure that out for yourself
COD button layout, customizable load-outs = negative change {betray of loyalty of keeping true to the REAL essence of a Halo game by basically "selling out"}

a large list of changes additional to the fact of a new franchise taking over = introduces the idea that we are playing a new game! , which happens just to be called "Halo" and is a hard reality for a former halo fan to consider.

In the end, i still have SC2 and alot of mathematics to exercise my brain to cover the sad reality of the future of Halo, so all ends well. =)



and p.s. op i feel like accusing the net lag is weak point in your argument which is in ALL games.

[Edited on 11.29.2012 2:54 PM PST]

  • 11.29.2012 2:48 PM PDT

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just gonna have to wait for some patches

  • 11.29.2012 4:13 PM PDT

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Reach was worst Halo, even Wars was better.

  • 11.29.2012 4:22 PM PDT

Posted by: TheZealEffect
Reach was worst Halo, even Wars was better.

Halo Wars was a massive source for a bungie jelly attack.

Microsoft knew bungie was unstable, and knew they needed to build contingency into the brand development platform ... but bungie wanted to be the only child, and the following dummy spit grew until we got to the position we are in now.

Someone mentioned that game at a recent PAX, in earshot of a bungie rep ... he felt that enough to interupt the conversation with a full on rant. The hurt runs deep.

  • 11.30.2012 1:10 AM PDT
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No you're wrong.

  • 11.30.2012 10:48 AM PDT

Posted by: TheZealEffect
Reach was worst Halo, even Wars was better.
Atleast Reach wasn't shipped in it's Beta stage like Halo 4.

  • 11.30.2012 10:55 AM PDT
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Posted by: Oh GodLike One


H4 is running on the same engine as the past Halo games you retarded idiot. Jesus, every time you post I lose brain cells. Why the hell are you so retarded?

[Edited on 11.30.2012 12:32 PM PST]

  • 11.30.2012 12:25 PM PDT

Posted by: Ciel
H4 is running on the same engine as the past Halo games you retarded idiot. Jesus, every time you post I lose brain cells. Why the hell are you so retarded?


Jesus, every time you post I lose brain cells ... lol, didnt see old JC posting on here ... and why does Jesus take your brain cells every time he posts ... you sure its not just plain drug and alcohol abuse?

As for H4 running on the same engine as all the past halo games ... you sure about that? Given that the original halo engine ran on the x86 chipset (and using YOUR expert knowledge) we should be able to get H4 running on our PC's !!!

Sorry dude - you are sooooooo wrong. Go buy some brain cells.

  • 11.30.2012 10:26 PM PDT
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reach being better than anything, and logical do not belong in the same sentence.

  • 12.03.2012 4:22 AM PDT

Posted by: meagsIZbeast
reach being better than anything, and logical do not belong in the same sentence.

^ this.

And the vote of most online players.

  • 12.27.2012 5:21 AM PDT
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Posted by: Ciel

Posted by: Oh GodLike One


H4 is running on the same engine as the past Halo games you retarded idiot. Jesus, every time you post I lose brain cells. Why the hell are you so retarded?
why would you quote Oh GodLike One if you're calling JC a retarded idiot?

as for Halo 4 is running on the same engine as the past Halo games? you sure have lost alot of brain cells, so much that you think Oh GodLike One's repies are the reason why

  • 12.27.2012 1:24 PM PDT

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  • 12.27.2012 2:36 PM PDT
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  • 12.27.2012 2:47 PM PDT

Posted by: path1k
Posted by: Oh GodLike One
Posted by: Ciel
Jesus, every time you post I lose brain cells.

lol, didnt see old JC posting on here ... and why does Jesus take your brain cells every time he posts ... you sure its not just plain drug and alcohol abuse?

why would you quote Oh GodLike One if you're calling JC a retarded idiot?

Kinda unkind to old JC, especially at the time of his birthday.
Perhaps Ciel should look skyward (boom, boom - for the non-french speaking in the forum, ciel is french for sky).

Perhaps Ciel took my forum tag to heart, and thought I was best place to give young JC a quick flick. (be more likely to just thunderbolt the few remaining brain cells).

  • 12.28.2012 4:55 AM PDT