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Subject: Reach is better. Logical reasoning and proof inside.

I intend to live forever, or die trying,

so far, so good.

I believe Halo 4 is the better game when compared to REACH.

Yes Halo 4, still has alot of bugs that need fixing. Hopefully the TU will address these.

I like REACH how it was befor the TU. REACH in my oppionion, only required 3 things to be fixed.

Armor Lock (TU Fix this issue)
Guass Hog (Fix = Shooting Quickly between Shots overheats)
Banshee (Fix = Flipping users 1/3 of Boost)

Bloom was annoying, but was happy to put up with it.

I believe Halo 4 has taken REACH and improved it (Think what Halo 3 TU did to Halo 2).

But If I had to make Halo 4. I would had returned it to its roots (Halo 3), and had all the new AA in REACH and Halo 4 to be new Equipment.

It just be Halo 3, with improved graphics, new weapons, new vehicles and more equipment. No Loadouts, no Ordanace, just the Halo we love and remember.

  • 01.03.2013 2:15 PM PST

Posted by: nightspark
Halo 3 does not cost more than Halo: Reach. You also took that entire article out of context. They never even mentioned multiplayer. They are only talking about campaign, and how you had to have played 1-3 or be a fan to understand what's going on. And not being able to play as the Master Chief.

Halo 3 @ $225 is $85 more than than reach @ $140 ... ah, I see, your after the cheap [cough] standard version ... may as well go and buy a trade-in copy - lol.

And out-of-context, guess you was there so you would know.
And 'multiplayer' as a defense ... honestly ... have you even seen how far the online multiplayer numbers have dropped. Guess you really thought that through.

  • 01.04.2013 4:57 AM PST

Survive until the red dawn rises, when we have spilled the blood of our enemies.


Posted by: Oh GodLike One
Posted by: Ghost 4119
Yes but the thing is that, 'those guys' didnt own Reach. We own Halo 4, and it still sucks.

Who are "those guys" you speak of?

Sadly I do own reach (cant even trade it these days).
Plus it cost more than twice as much as Halo 4.
And 60% of people stopped playing it online within 2 weeks of launch.
Halo 3 now sells for more than reach - and its 3 years older.

Why are so many reachtard in denial?
Even the games owners admit "We lost our way" (aka: reach was a disappointment).
And yes, 'those guys' did own reach.


hey hey mate calm down a tad. No need to get feisty

  • 01.04.2013 8:24 AM PST

Survive until the red dawn rises, when we have spilled the blood of our enemies.


Posted by: Oh GodLike One
Posted by: Revan10492
The only thing that I enjoyed/was merely impressed by was a slight graphical improvement using an almost decade old machine and the availability of content from Spartan Ops every week. Other than that, the game is simply broke.

Yeah, the new stuff - like Spartan Ops - works well, but the crap which came with the bungie reach engine almost overwhelms the work put into the game.

343 should have waited and finished its own engine.
Using bungies left overs was a BIG mistake. I know they had to try and balance the damage done by bungie after being dumped by Microsoft ... bt sadly there is not enough lipstip for that pig.


if you dont like bungie then why the hell are you on their forums?

  • 01.04.2013 8:26 AM PST

Posted by: Ghost 4119
hey hey mate calm down a tad. No need to get feisty

Someone has been watching too many 1970's re-runs - lol.

Funny ... didnt you just create a rant thread about discussing "Halo 4" on a reach forum. Well that didnt last long.

  • 01.05.2013 5:56 AM PST

Posted by: Ghost 4119
Posted by: Oh GodLike One
343 should have waited and finished its own engine.
Using bungies left overs was a BIG mistake. I know they had to try and balance the damage done by bungie after being dumped by Microsoft ... but sadly there is not enough lipstick for that pig.

if you dont like bungie then why the hell are you on their forums?

If anything I was being critical of 343.

Do you deny the Microsoft released bungie from their contract?
What about 343 using what was left over bu bungie?

And damage done by bungie ... you honestly going to say that reach was well received. Again ... did you create a thread complaining about the amount of reach hate on this forum?

You smell like troll.

  • 01.05.2013 6:02 AM PST
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Posted by: Oh GodLike One
Posted by: nightspark
Halo 3 does not cost more than Halo: Reach. You also took that entire article out of context. They never even mentioned multiplayer. They are only talking about campaign, and how you had to have played 1-3 or be a fan to understand what's going on. And not being able to play as the Master Chief.

Halo 3 @ $225 is $85 more than than reach @ $140 ... ah, I see, your after the cheap [cough] standard version ... may as well go and buy a trade-in copy - lol.

The vendors on Amazon aren't Amazon. They set what ever price they want. Linking legendary editions only makes you look like a dumb ass. Allow me to demonstrate: I found Reach for $275 (buy it now). Halo 3 is going for $150. That's a $125 premium over a five year old game. Standard editions are what the majority of people who want to buy an old game, are going to buy.

And out-of-context, guess you was there so you would know.
No. I wasn't. However; I don't suffer piss poor reading comprehension, as you do. Go ahead and post one sentence from the article that mentions or infers multiplayer. Which was your whole reason for linking that article.

And 'multiplayer' as a defense ... honestly ... have you even seen how far the online multiplayer numbers have dropped. Guess you really thought that through.
Derp. Halo 4 is out, everyone is on that game, no matter how bad it is. It always happens. Halo Reach sucked compared to 3, but it still maintained a higher population from day one.


[Edited on 01.05.2013 9:39 AM PST]

  • 01.05.2013 9:37 AM PST

Posted by: x Foman123 x

Posted by: TH3_AV3NG3R
What house has a rocket pod, has legs, and has a long narrow barrel that probably shoots something powerful?

Sounds like you're describing the lower half of my body, actually.

Please op no more logic. I rather just not think about stuff and play Halo 4 with my mom. Thinking in games take too much work that is why Halo 4 is better than Halo Reach and all the other Halo games. I don't have to think to play, Halo 4.

In plus, the population knows what a good game is. I can't have my own opinion. I rather just be a tool and go with what the population says is better.

  • 01.05.2013 9:41 AM PST

Posted by: nightspark
The vendors on Amazon aren't Amazon. They set what ever price they want. Linking legendary editions only makes you look like a dumb ass. Allow me to demonstrate:

That was an excellent demonstration of being a dumb ass.
So you are going to compare a legit and known seller such as Amazon to a link on eBay from some guy named bigbear6609?
Honestly? ... that is first class dumb ass logic, well done.

Posted by: nightspark
I don't suffer piss poor reading comprehension, as you do. Go ahead and post one sentence from the article that mentions or infers multiplayer. Which was your whole reason for linking that article.

You sure about that - lol. Let me quote the post in which I included that link;
Even the games owners admit "We lost our way" (aka: reach was a disappointment).
Now, please, what part of that talks about multiplayer, how was multiplayer the "whole reason for linking".
LEARN TO READ.
(btw: think you meant to write "I don't suffer FROM piss poor reading comprehension" ... not a good look, but funny and ironic, so you get a cookie)

Posted by: nightspark
Derp. Halo 4 is out, everyone is on that game, no matter how bad it is. It always happens. Halo Reach sucked compared to 3, but it still maintained a higher population from day one.

Wrong ... reach fell to position #2 just to weeks from launch.
If you compare it to Halo 4 ... well old reach was at #3 at this same point since both games release. So even using the same time scales reach is doing worse.

And before you start;
- Halo 4 also has BLOPS 2.
- Has to compete against 4 COD titles in the top 10.
- Had only a two year gap between reach (reach had 3 years)
Yes, reach sold many more copies than either Halo 3 or Halo 4 ... and yet has dropped on the online quicker than either of those two.

Why ... because most people think it is crap and not worth playing. Derp ... sure even you can figure that one out.

  • 01.05.2013 10:00 PM PST

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Posted by: Viral Elegy
There are numerous issues with your points. I'll go by each point to make it easy to follow.

1. It's no worse than it was in Reach. Even with full bloom, the DMR slows map movement. This isn't much of a problem in H4 though because of the amount of cover scattered around.

2. There's always a reason to go into the enemy base; it's a great position. It's hard to stay alive there, but simply being there helps your team a great deal. And spawn trapping isn't discouraged.

3. That's not how the spawn system works in H4. Spawn trapping is still quite frequent, and can be done on dynamic spawn maps. You're not going to make them spawn at your base just by having one or two people in theirs.

4. Most of these have been fixed. Betas are expensive btw, and since Microsoft makes the calls, you can see why a beta wasn't done.

5. One weapon that breaks only CQC gameplay does not outweigh jetpack, armor lock, the OP Banshee, grenades, radar jamming camo, no bleedthrough, bloom... You get the point.

6. Again, not how the respawn system in H4 works. This has happened to me a handful of times only. I don't like instant respawn either, but it's not as big an issue as Reach's issues were.

7. I saw this video and this video and was surprised at how much bullet magnetism H4 and H3 had. My point here is, H4 is no worse in this regard.

8. This is a problem, which H3 had less of, but Reach didn't do much less of, if any. The only thing difficult about aiming in Reach was fighting bloom. Otherwise, it was comparatively easier than using the BR in H3.

9. Reach, H3, and H2 were FAR worse in these areas.

10. Reach customs were rather castrated too, compared to H3. H4's forge has more than Reach's forge and no less. Forgeworld was a framerate killer and hurt custom games a good deal.

11. Like I said earlier, bloom, jetpack, grenades, no bleedthrough... kinda outweighs your issue, considering those issues are at the core of the game and hurt everything.

The only two things Reach did right were Invasion and TU MLG. H4 has problems to be solved, but at least it's not broken at its core like Reach is.

  • 01.06.2013 8:28 AM PST
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Posted by: ClearOrangeZero


10. Reach customs were rather castrated too, compared to H3. H4's forge has more than Reach's forge and no less. Forgeworld was a framerate killer and hurt custom games a good deal.


I'm sick of people saying this. How was Reach's customs worse than Halo 3? Because they removed VIP?

[Edited on 01.06.2013 8:49 AM PST]

  • 01.06.2013 8:49 AM PST

No. If anything Reach is the reason Halo 4 is the way it is. Reach ruined Halo.

  • 01.06.2013 9:38 AM PST
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Posted by: Oh GodLike One


Vendors on Amazon are just a glorified version of eBay. If it isn't sold and shipped by Amazon, it's eBay. They set their own prices, just like vendors on eBay. Look how stupid the prices get for ]Halo 3 and Reach when it isn't sold and shipped from Amazon. So using vendors who aren't Amazon is just about as smart as using eBay.


You took their quote completely out of context. They are only talking about being a fan to know what's going on in Reach and ODST and not playing as the Master Chief. They aren't taking about gameplay, multiplayer, or campaign being a disappointment, like you point out. In fact they go on to praise the Reach campaign So what was your point of linking the article? You claim how the game in general was a disappointment, but they are only talking about the Master Chief how much of a fan players are. Or is that what you always meant. That if Reach had the Master Chief, you'd be ok with it.

No one was comparing Halo to CoD. Halo has lagged behind CoD since MW2. The metrics are only between flagship Halo titles. That's Halo 2, 3, Reach and 4. Players will always populate the most recent game. No matter how bad it is. Reach sucked compared to 3, yet it maintained a higher population from day one.

Long story short. You're a case study in retard. Responding to you is pointless. Have fun with you deluded life.

[Edited on 01.06.2013 10:10 AM PST]

  • 01.06.2013 10:08 AM PST

Old account was OverlordConnery bnet

I find that the MP in Halo 4 is slightly better than the MP in Reach.

Do wish though that the DMR would get slightly nerfed but considering they added the BR, we all had to assume that they were making one weapon slightly better than the other. (Halo 3 vs Halo Reach, BR -> DMR)But hey, atleast they made the automatic weapons very decent now! Actually time to use the Assault Rifle!

Some glitches are still prevailing, but 343 will probably actually try to fix them by some point, considering the fact they take time to make the spartan ops episodes/chapters.

The engine, I cannot really say much about. 343 was trying to make a speedy game before the Halo franchise got destroyed, thanks to Reach (Most of my friends say that Reach was the dirty dishes of Halo, and therefore the reason why they did not want to purchase Halo 4, for they fear the same result. But they agree Halo 4 is better but wished it got more players.)

Now, if Halo 4 released a public beta, holy -blam!- drop the ball! Glitches might have been fixed! But sadly, not so. We all played Reach beta, and sadly the Reach BETA was more fantastic than the Released for Market version of the game itself. (But Halo 4 did have a beta, privately though. So don't get pissy.)

  • 01.06.2013 10:27 AM PST

Posted by: x Foman123 x

Posted by: TH3_AV3NG3R
What house has a rocket pod, has legs, and has a long narrow barrel that probably shoots something powerful?

Sounds like you're describing the lower half of my body, actually.


Posted by: Hachee Bungwhy
No. If anything Reach is the reason Halo 4 is the way it is. Reach ruined Halo.

Oh we are using that logic now?

Halo 3 is the reason Halo Reach is the way it is. Halo 3 ruined Halo Reach.

  • 01.06.2013 3:34 PM PST

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Posted by: ClearOrangeZero


10. Reach customs were rather castrated too, compared to H3. H4's forge has more than Reach's forge and no less. Forgeworld was a framerate killer and hurt custom games a good deal.


I'm sick of people saying this. How was Reach's customs worse than Halo 3? Because they removed VIP?
That was a major part of it, yes. The fact that they changed the invincible option to make backsmacking useless was another (that there killed Cops and Robbers), and the lack of color that H3 forge had plenty of being another.

That's all I recall atm. I remember having a list at one point, so I'll have to see if I can find it.

  • 01.06.2013 6:44 PM PST

I intend to live forever, or die trying,

so far, so good.


Posted by: ClearOrangeZero

Posted by: Viral Elegy
There are numerous issues with your points. I'll go by each point to make it easy to follow.

1. It's no worse than it was in Reach. Even with full bloom, the DMR slows map movement. This isn't much of a problem in H4 though because of the amount of cover scattered around.

2. There's always a reason to go into the enemy base; it's a great position. It's hard to stay alive there, but simply being there helps your team a great deal. And spawn trapping isn't discouraged.

3. That's not how the spawn system works in H4. Spawn trapping is still quite frequent, and can be done on dynamic spawn maps. You're not going to make them spawn at your base just by having one or two people in theirs.

4. Most of these have been fixed. Betas are expensive btw, and since Microsoft makes the calls, you can see why a beta wasn't done.

5. One weapon that breaks only CQC gameplay does not outweigh jetpack, armor lock, the OP Banshee, grenades, radar jamming camo, no bleedthrough, bloom... You get the point.

6. Again, not how the respawn system in H4 works. This has happened to me a handful of times only. I don't like instant respawn either, but it's not as big an issue as Reach's issues were.

7. I saw this video and this video and was surprised at how much bullet magnetism H4 and H3 had. My point here is, H4 is no worse in this regard.

8. This is a problem, which H3 had less of, but Reach didn't do much less of, if any. The only thing difficult about aiming in Reach was fighting bloom. Otherwise, it was comparatively easier than using the BR in H3.

9. Reach, H3, and H2 were FAR worse in these areas.

10. Reach customs were rather castrated too, compared to H3. H4's forge has more than Reach's forge and no less. Forgeworld was a framerate killer and hurt custom games a good deal.

11. Like I said earlier, bloom, jetpack, grenades, no bleedthrough... kinda outweighs your issue, considering those issues are at the core of the game and hurt everything.

The only two things Reach did right were Invasion and TU MLG. H4 has problems to be solved, but at least it's not broken at its core like Reach is.


I agree.

I believe Halo 4 is REACHED improved. A TU for Halo 4 that fixes most of the major flaws will make Halo 4 an almost perfect game.

Think of what the TU did for Halo 3.

As far as I remember, Halo 3 had one major flaw, and that was the random spread of the BR, but was still not a big issue. All other problems were fixed in the TU.

Halo 3, took everything that was Halo 2 and improved it. Equalling a great, almost perfect game.

I hope the TU for HAlo 4 can do the same.

Halo 4, i believe is alot more balanced than REACH.

  • 01.06.2013 8:30 PM PST

To be honest, I say that Halo 4 campaign is better than Reach campaign. I agree it is way too easy, but what do you expect when a company is trying to expand their audience? Halo 4 was made the way it was for expansion purposes both single and multiplayer. Now i agree that yes, the multiplayer on halo 4 needs work, such as the removal of ordinances, perks,and all of the other COD inspired changes , but will doing threads like this really make a difference? No, because it is now out of bungie's hands. I will admit that I really miss the feeling that I am playing halo and not some other game, but as the world changes so will everything else in it change.

  • 01.06.2013 9:18 PM PST

Posted by: nightspark
blah, blah ... In fact they go on to praise the Reach campaign.
lol ... thats a classic. So saying "bungie lost its way with reach" was praise - hate to see them being critical. What do people say on your references - lol.

Posted by: nightspark
Players will always populate the most recent game. No matter how bad it is.
And with reach ... they STOPPED playing it in record number a short 2 weeks after launch.
Why else would you pay (and reach wasnt cheap) for a game and then stop playing it two weeks later?
If Halo 4 is so bad why hasnt it dropped as quickly as reach did?

It is you who is deluded, thinking that reach still sits somewhere in the top 10 played games.
lolreach.

  • 01.07.2013 4:32 AM PST

Survive until the red dawn rises, when we have spilled the blood of our enemies.

sure about that? cause I saw pre-owned copies in the stores over here ages ago. Not to mention that they have a pretty good supply of Halo: 4 New stock on their shelves that CANT be sold no matter how hard they try.

Stop arguing for the sake of it mate.

  • 01.07.2013 12:46 PM PST

Posted by: Ghost 4119
sure about that? cause I saw pre-owned copies in the stores over here ages ago.
Duh - didnt say that store dont have stock of reach sitting on shelves gathering dust ... just that they are not taking any more because they cant move what they already have.

Posted by: Ghost 4119
Not to mention that they have a pretty good supply of Halo: 4 New stock on their shelves that CANT be sold no matter how hard they try.
lol ... at least put some effort into your tolling attempt. But I will play along ...
Give they cant sell them, how did you get YOUR copy, or are you just trolling here without an informed opinion AGAIN.

Posted by: Ghost 4119
Stop arguing for the sake of it mate.
Oh no, its the little sister/back seat of car defense ... played along once, whats the harm - No you stop arguing, you started it.
Now I just feel dirty ... covered in troll dirt. Should have known better than play along.

  • 01.07.2013 5:23 PM PST

Been with Bungie since 1996, and no plans of leaving.

TL;DR: Reach is better.

  • 01.08.2013 7:33 AM PST

Halo 4 sucks. Halo reach is the best.
Go away 343 industries because you suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • 01.08.2013 10:35 AM PST