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Subject: So what exactly is wrong with majoring in liberal arts?

Posted by: karsttheninja99

Posted by: Garem
Posted by: MadMax888
What other economic system works better?
Socialism.
But its been shown time and time again that it won't work because there is no incentive to work hard
The incentive is, if you don't work, you don't reap the benefits.

  • 11.27.2012 3:08 PM PDT

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Posted by: Garem
Posted by: karsttheninja99
I honestly don't see why you've attached yourself to this concept. We've gained so much knowledge about the workings of our world from the study of the universe. Your using the internet right now, which was developed to ease the study of atomic particles at CERN
I would rather live in mud huts with loving people than in skyscrapers with cynics.
waitwat?

  • 11.27.2012 3:09 PM PDT

'Κύριε Ἰησοῦ Χριστέ, Υἱὲ τοῦ Θεοῦ, ἐλέησόν με τὸν ἁμαρτωλόν.'

Just looking for some feedback from some knowledgable people here (MadMax especially) I was wondering what you think of my plans for after high-school and if I should follow through with them or do something else. After High-School I want to either a) go to college for a 6 year pharmaceuticals program if my parents have the economic resources at the time, or b) get my AA degree at a local community college in Criminal Justice and then become a police-officer once I turn 21 (which is the legal requirement to be a cop in California). I then want to work as a cop for about three years so that I can gain experience and achieve my true dream of becoming a detective.

Both paths have their benefits and disadvantages. The former will be more expensive, require a lot more dedication in college, but the payoff will be significantly higher. The former will be easier to attain and cheaper, but the payoff will not be as great. Either way, if I work hard in either path, I think I can make a livable salary.

  • 11.27.2012 3:09 PM PDT

Expressing my strong liberal views without shame. Favorite quotes below:

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."
"One starts to live when he can live outside himself."

- Albert Einstein

Nothing is wrong with the studies at all; it's the mere actual reality that the job market for those degrees is very poor. While in an ideal world the reason to go to college is to learn, that ultimately becomes secondary to supporting yourself. The best solution is to pursue something that interests you but also has potential in the economy.

  • 11.27.2012 3:09 PM PDT

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Posted by: Garem
Posted by: karsttheninja99

Posted by: Garem
Posted by: MadMax888
What other economic system works better?
Socialism.
But its been shown time and time again that it won't work because there is no incentive to work hard
The incentive is, if you don't work, you don't reap the benefits.
Thats called capitalism...

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Posted by: SpartanMk18

Seriously, more people need to go into Blue Collar work.

Too many blue-collar jobs are being outsourced though. That leads to a lot more people going to college because you basically need a degree to a good paying job now.

[Edited on 11.27.2012 3:10 PM PST]

  • 11.27.2012 3:10 PM PDT

Posted by: annoyinginge
Posted by: Garem
Posted by: MadMax888
And is it directly caused by radiation and GMOs?
Yes.

Learn2research. That paper has been pretty much annihilated by the scientific community. Somebody's even been nice enough to give links to the relevant replies on the Wikipedia page for GM food controversies, you could've found out as much with a quick Google search on the issue. To be honest, alarm bells should've started ringing when the publisher refused to show his paper to anybody except scientifically untrained reporters who were specifically barred from consulting experts on the subject.

Oh, and MadMax888, I'm disappointed in the way you accepted what he said as true just because he provided a source. Blue text doesn't mean infallibility.
That showed nothing. It just proves that there are multiple studies with ranging results.

  • 11.27.2012 3:10 PM PDT


Posted by: karsttheninja99

Posted by: Garem
Posted by: karsttheninja99
I honestly don't see why you've attached yourself to this concept. We've gained so much knowledge about the workings of our world from the study of the universe. Your using the internet right now, which was developed to ease the study of atomic particles at CERN
I would rather live in mud huts with loving people than in skyscrapers with cynics.
waitwat?


My thoughts exactly.

  • 11.27.2012 3:10 PM PDT

Posted by: karsttheninja99

Posted by: Garem
Posted by: karsttheninja99

Posted by: Garem
Posted by: MadMax888
What other economic system works better?
Socialism.
But its been shown time and time again that it won't work because there is no incentive to work hard
The incentive is, if you don't work, you don't reap the benefits.
Thats called capitalism...
No. Socialism is, everyone has a job. At the end of the day, the money made is divided up and shared equally with everyone. If you didn't work that day, you get no money.

  • 11.27.2012 3:11 PM PDT

Posted by: karsttheninja99

Posted by: Garem
Posted by: karsttheninja99
I honestly don't see why you've attached yourself to this concept. We've gained so much knowledge about the workings of our world from the study of the universe. Your using the internet right now, which was developed to ease the study of atomic particles at CERN
I would rather live in mud huts with loving people than in skyscrapers with cynics.
waitwat?
...yes. What's so wrong with that?

  • 11.27.2012 3:11 PM PDT

'Κύριε Ἰησοῦ Χριστέ, Υἱὲ τοῦ Θεοῦ, ἐλέησόν με τὸν ἁμαρτωλόν.'

Posted by: karsttheninja99
But its been shown time and time again that it won't work because there is no incentive to work hard


I think you are mistaking Socialism for Communism. Read up on your Marx. There is a difference. In Socialism, how hard you work is essential to your wellbeing. Things are distributed based upon how hard you work and how beneficial you are to society. The next step--which is the one you are thinking of--is Communism, THAT is what leads to people having no incentive to work hard because in Communism things are distributed based upon how much you need them--not by how much you work.

  • 11.27.2012 3:12 PM PDT

"LOL"

-said all engineers ever

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  • 11.27.2012 3:12 PM PDT

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[quote]Posted by: Garem
I know what socialism is, but you are rewarded equally for not working or working hard. Thats why the Soviet Union, failed, thats why North Korea is ailing.

  • 11.27.2012 3:13 PM PDT

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Posted by: karsttheninja99
But its been shown time and time again that it won't work because there is no incentive to work hard


I think you are mistaking Socialism for Communism. Read up on your Marx. There is a difference. In Socialism, how hard you work is essential to your wellbeing. Things are distributed based upon how hard you work and how beneficial you are to society. The next step--which is the one you are thinking of--is Communism, THAT is what leads to people having no incentive to work hard because in Communism things are distributed based upon how much you need them--not by how much you work.
Ok, Got the two mixed

  • 11.27.2012 3:13 PM PDT

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Posted by: Captain Richards
Posted by: karsttheninja99
But its been shown time and time again that it won't work because there is no incentive to work hard


I think you are mistaking Socialism for Communism. Read up on your Marx. There is a difference. In Socialism, how hard you work is essential to your wellbeing. Things are distributed based upon how hard you work and how beneficial you are to society. The next step--which is the one you are thinking of--is Communism, THAT is what leads to people having no incentive to work hard because in Communism things are distributed based upon how much you need them--not by how much you work.
That really just looks like capitalism, but thats just me

  • 11.27.2012 3:14 PM PDT

'Κύριε Ἰησοῦ Χριστέ, Υἱὲ τοῦ Θεοῦ, ἐλέησόν με τὸν ἁμαρτωλόν.'


Posted by: xImNotProx
Too many blue-collar jobs are being outsourced though.


Wat? I don't know if this is necessarily true. It actually seems like the blue-collar jobs are precisely the jobs that CAN'T be outsourced because they are directly needed in our country--like being an electrician, plumber or something with construction. These are all good trades that can't be outsourced to a different country.

  • 11.27.2012 3:14 PM PDT

Posted by: karsttheninja99
The Soviet Union failed because they weren't a true socialism, and because of America. And did you read what I just said? People who don't work don't get money.

[Edited on 11.27.2012 3:15 PM PST]

  • 11.27.2012 3:15 PM PDT
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Posted by: Captain Richards

Posted by: xImNotProx
Too many blue-collar jobs are being outsourced though.


Wat? I don't know if this is necessarily true. It actually seems like the blue-collar jobs are precisely the jobs that CAN'T be outsourced because they are directly needed in our country--like being an electrician, plumber or something with construction. These are all good trades that can't be outsourced to a different country.

I'm talking about manufacturing and other production jobs. Those fall into the blue collar category.

  • 11.27.2012 3:16 PM PDT

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Posted by: Garem
Posted by: karsttheninja99
The Soviet Union failed because they weren't a true socialism, and because of America. And did you read what I just said? People who don't work don't get money.
Which is what puzzles me from a previous statement of yours.
You wanted to give money to homeless people instead of advance science

  • 11.27.2012 3:16 PM PDT

'Κύριε Ἰησοῦ Χριστέ, Υἱὲ τοῦ Θεοῦ, ἐλέησόν με τὸν ἁμαρτωλόν.'


Posted by: karsttheninja99

Posted by: Captain Richards
Posted by: karsttheninja99
But its been shown time and time again that it won't work because there is no incentive to work hard


I think you are mistaking Socialism for Communism. Read up on your Marx. There is a difference. In Socialism, how hard you work is essential to your wellbeing. Things are distributed based upon how hard you work and how beneficial you are to society. The next step--which is the one you are thinking of--is Communism, THAT is what leads to people having no incentive to work hard because in Communism things are distributed based upon how much you need them--not by how much you work.
That really just looks like capitalism, but thats just me


The difference is that in capitalism businesses are owned by PRIVATE leaders, whereas in Socialism, the businesses you work for are owned collectively by the people. This is achieved in several ways though. The reason for this difference is because in Marxist thought, it is believed that private business owners will exploit the workers and treat them badly, whereas if the businesses are owned by the people, then working conditions will be fairer and there will be less corruption. Think of Socialism as controlled capitalism.

  • 11.27.2012 3:17 PM PDT

I can understand someone wanting to learn liberal arts for the sake of learning and enriching the mind. But...

Unless you're really dedicated in actually pursuing a career that utilizes any of those kinds of degrees, WHY TAKE LIBERAL ARTS UNIVERSITY COURSES?

If enriching your mind is the goal, there are thousands upon thousands of old, and ridiculously cheap textbooks and e-book available. There's always a library, too. The internet is also a great place to learn, both in articles and online communities.
These choices require little to no money, and you can learn entirely at your own pace, rather than spend stupid amounts of money on tuition just to "learn."

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  • 11.27.2012 3:18 PM PDT

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Posted by: Captain Richards

Posted by: karsttheninja99

Posted by: Captain Richards
Posted by: karsttheninja99
But its been shown time and time again that it won't work because there is no incentive to work hard


I think you are mistaking Socialism for Communism. Read up on your Marx. There is a difference. In Socialism, how hard you work is essential to your wellbeing. Things are distributed based upon how hard you work and how beneficial you are to society. The next step--which is the one you are thinking of--is Communism, THAT is what leads to people having no incentive to work hard because in Communism things are distributed based upon how much you need them--not by how much you work.
That really just looks like capitalism, but thats just me


The difference is that in capitalism businesses are owned by PRIVATE leaders, whereas in Socialism, the businesses you work for are owned collectively by the people. This is achieved in several ways though. The reason for this difference is because in Marxist thought, it is believed that private business owners will exploit the workers and treat them badly, whereas if the businesses are owned by the people, then working conditions will be fairer and there will be less corruption. Think of Socialism as controlled capitalism.
Ok, but this wouldn't work for the most part because people, in the US for the most part, want less government intervention. Maybe thats just because they're ignorant or scared.

  • 11.27.2012 3:19 PM PDT

Posted by: Captain Richards
The difference is that in capitalism businesses are owned by PRIVATE leaders, whereas in Socialism, the businesses you work for are owned collectively by the people. This is achieved in several ways though. The reason for this difference is because in Marxist thought, it is believed that private business owners will exploit the workers and treat them badly, whereas if the businesses are owned by the people, then working conditions will be fairer and there will be less corruption. Think of Socialism as controlled capitalism.

Controlled capitalism with what protections for personal ownership? Genuinely curious here. I can't see how you can have any form of capitalism without a market and ownership.

  • 11.27.2012 3:19 PM PDT

Hanger one I just shredded with the SMGs until ammo was out and I just threw 'nades like a boss while BRing.

My experience playing Cairo Station on Legendary

If you listen to Charles Murray, anyone with simply a Bachelor's, is no better than a high school student.
Discredit the bachelor's degree as a job credential. It does not signify the acquisition of a liberal education. It does not even tell an employer that the graduate can put together a logical and syntactically correct argument. It serves a rough and unreliable evidence of a degree of intelligence and perseverance - that's it.

  • 11.27.2012 3:21 PM PDT

Posted by: karsttheninja99

Posted by: Garem
Posted by: karsttheninja99
The Soviet Union failed because they weren't a true socialism, and because of America. And did you read what I just said? People who don't work don't get money.
Which is what puzzles me from a previous statement of yours.
You wanted to give money to homeless people instead of advance science
Yes. I would rather support humanity than support science.

  • 11.27.2012 3:22 PM PDT