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Subject: 343 is making Halo too...nerdy
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Halo was always nerdy.

  • 11.27.2012 2:18 PM PDT

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It is sci fi.


No, it was Sci-Fi. It's more Science Fantasy now.

  • 11.27.2012 2:18 PM PDT

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  • 11.27.2012 2:19 PM PDT

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So your telling me creating a story that starts at the end of a war which spanned 27 years, finding an ancient alien artifact who's care taker thinks your his master was a brain dead story?

Yes. A more generic and forgettable plot summary can scarcely be imagined.

Halo CE cemented the fact the universe spans a 100,000 year span, so you had to expect it was going to get nerdy quickly. Hell Halo 3 was nerdy if you tracked down the terminals, you lot just keep looking for things wrong with Halo 4 and ignore the last 5 games.

Bull. Nothing made the writers needlessly ruin the Forerunners, Precursors and the Flood. There's no law saying "if your universe spans more than X years, you must milk out a bunch of terrible books ruining the characters of any faction you haven't already run into the ground, not to mention the ones you have". The writers simply didn't understand that not everything is supposed to be fully explained in a fictional universe. Either that or they cared less than they cared about making a quick buck.

  • 11.27.2012 2:20 PM PDT

I agre with op

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Posted by: annoyinginge
Posted by: lonepaul2441
Posted by: annoyinginge
super-powerful civilizations and the inevitable and highly convenient selection of super-weapons they left behind. T

Funny that was firmly established about 4 missions into CE.

The Forerunners were hinted at (it's called "showing not telling", a great literary device) and there was one weapon series created, the Halo array. Now we've got the Forerunners, the first lot of humans, the Precursors, the Flood, all of which have been completely fleshed out into the most generic sci-fi races possible, their auras of mystique thus completely destroyed, and the Composer which exists because 343 needed a cheap way of making the Didact into a threat. 0/10 on creativity.


You do realize that 343 didn't actually make any of that right? Most of that stuff has been know about since like Halo 2-3 days. Hell 343 didn't even make the Composer, its been about in the lore long before Halo 4.

But its fine, keep ignoring the fact that this lore was around long before Halo 4 was created.

  • 11.27.2012 2:25 PM PDT

I agree with OP. They took away what made The Forerunners cool, they took away all the mystery and intrigue behind them. They better not do this with The Precursors or I'm jumping ship.

  • 11.27.2012 2:26 PM PDT

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Posted by: Gaara444
I agree with OP. They took away what made The Forerunners cool, they took away all the mystery and intrigue behind them. They better not do this with The Precursors or I'm jumping ship.


I agree, I don't like the direction, but nerdy is one of the last ways I would describe it.

  • 11.27.2012 2:26 PM PDT

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Posted by: lonepaul2441
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Posted by: lonepaul2441
Posted by: annoyinginge
super-powerful civilizations and the inevitable and highly convenient selection of super-weapons they left behind. T

Funny that was firmly established about 4 missions into CE.

The Forerunners were hinted at (it's called "showing not telling", a great literary device) and there was one weapon series created, the Halo array. Now we've got the Forerunners, the first lot of humans, the Precursors, the Flood, all of which have been completely fleshed out into the most generic sci-fi races possible, their auras of mystique thus completely destroyed, and the Composer which exists because 343 needed a cheap way of making the Didact into a threat. 0/10 on creativity.


So Halo arry = you think is original despite it being a rip off of Ring World.....

Composer which can turn things into information and theoretically back to organic and vise versa isn't?

The Didact's story was fleshed out to make him a villain and to give him a motive, the weapon was just something to bolster that.

No, the Halo array isn't original and I never said it was, nice straw man. I'll accept your apology whenever you're capable of swallowing your pride enough to write one out.

My point is, Halo has become milked. It's a bit like the way Resident Evil keeps making up super-powerful corporations and suave, unrealistically evil villains hellbent on turning cities into zombie resorts. The first time, yeah, it wasn't bad. Even if it wasn't original for fiction in general, as a series it was something new and a great concept. Then, as time wears on and you have the same tired idea being hauled out again and again, it becomes more and more generic and forgettable and the universe gets staler and staler.

Right now, that's Halo. It's stale. It's been run into the ground. What it really needs is a rest, not a constant stream of books and games rehashing the same old concepts.

  • 11.27.2012 2:27 PM PDT

Halo isn't nerdy and is probably the coolest guy in gaming. You must be honestly stupid if you think Halo is suddenly a nerd because he met the Forerunners.

  • 11.27.2012 2:27 PM PDT


Posted by: annoyinginge
Posted by: lonepaul2441
Posted by: annoyinginge
super-powerful civilizations and the inevitable and highly convenient selection of super-weapons they left behind. T

Funny that was firmly established about 4 missions into CE.

The Forerunners were hinted at (it's called "showing not telling", a great literary device) and there was one weapon series created, the Halo array. Now we've got the Forerunners, the first lot of humans, the Precursors, the Flood, all of which have been completely fleshed out into the most generic sci-fi races possible, their auras of mystique thus completely destroyed, and the Composer which exists because 343 needed a cheap way of making the Didact into a threat. 0/10 on creativity.


Except for the part where the Precursors and Flood are still a total mystery. Tell me: what do we know about either of them other than that they are related in some way, and that the Flood is a parasite?

The Forerunners were fleshed out through the terminals already. 343i merely portrayed them as an imperfect race of beings who were thrust into desperate times and desperate situations, while giving them a personality and a face. The ultra-enigmnatic race of perfect beings, as they had originally been (as you prefer, apparently) is objectively more cliched and uninspired than a fleshed out character. The Precursors, on the other hand, can fill that roll because they represent the almost divine force of fate.

And the Composer was introduced in the books. Are you saying any weapon the Didact could have used would thus have just been cheap? Composer was explained in detail and proved just how far the once pure Forerunners had fallen from grace, to in effect become the one thing they fought against: forcibly converting beings into mindless killing machines is exactly what the Flood did. It is a tragic poetic irony that they had resorted to stooping to the Flood's level to fight it.

Tropes themselves are not bad--without tropes, there would be no story. Certain elements are universal to storytelling, and certain kinds of storytelling, such as sci-fi. How they are incorporated into the story, and how the characters develop as a result of these unique uses, are what matter. If I tried as hard as you do to find problems in stories, no story in history would be good enough for me.

But you seem too butthurt to understand this, or at least willing to understand this.

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  • 11.27.2012 2:27 PM PDT

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  • 11.27.2012 2:29 PM PDT
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Posted by: ROBERTO jh


I'm noticing that I agree with everything you say regarding Halo 4.

  • 11.27.2012 2:29 PM PDT
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Buncha eggheads in this thread.

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  • 11.27.2012 2:30 PM PDT
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Well, here we are. I guess that it was destined to come to this.

Seriously, if the story is too nerdy then just skip the cutscenes and shoot at anything and everything that is red on your motion tracker or that is shooting at you.

  • 11.27.2012 2:32 PM PDT

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Posted by: annoyinginge
Posted by: lonepaul2441
Posted by: annoyinginge
super-powerful civilizations and the inevitable and highly convenient selection of super-weapons they left behind. T

Funny that was firmly established about 4 missions into CE.

The Forerunners were hinted at (it's called "showing not telling", a great literary device) and there was one weapon series created, the Halo array. Now we've got the Forerunners, the first lot of humans, the Precursors, the Flood, all of which have been completely fleshed out into the most generic sci-fi races possible, their auras of mystique thus completely destroyed, and the Composer which exists because 343 needed a cheap way of making the Didact into a threat. 0/10 on creativity.

You do realize that 343 didn't actually make any of that right? Most of that stuff has been know about since like Halo 2-3 days. Hell 343 didn't even make the Composer, its been about in the lore long before Halo 4.

But its fine, keep ignoring the fact that this lore was around long before Halo 4 was created.

For a start, I've made it clear I'm not talking about 343, I'm talking about Halo in general. Secondly, my problem is the way the writers just can't tell when to leave well enough alone. The Forerunners, in Combat Evolved, were (for want of a better word) "cool". They had an aura, they were rare and mysterious and enigmatic. We weren't told much about them, we didn't really understand them, and that's why they fascinated us.

Fast-forward to 2012. Forerunners? Pah. All that enigmatic mystery has long since been ripped to shreds. Now they're just another generic ancient sci-fi civilization. Yes, they were always generic, but they had that aura. Now they've got nothing.

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  • 11.27.2012 2:32 PM PDT

You're like a slinky. Good for nothing, but you bring a smile to my face when I push you down the stairs.

Op is a dumbass for thinking 343 made all if that.

  • 11.27.2012 2:35 PM PDT
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Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Except for the part where the Precursors and Flood are still a total mystery. Tell me: what do we know about either of them other than that they are related in some way, and that the Flood is a parasite?


We know enough about the flood that there's really not a whole lot else to be revealed about them.

Honestly, I'd rather we never see the precursors, nor learn anything new about the flood (or see the flood again, for that matter; they've gotten stale).

The Forerunners were fleshed out through the terminals already.

The ones in Halo 3 gave little snippets about them, enough to keep you mystified about them and not showing too much.

343i merely portrayed them as an imperfect race of beings who were thrust into desperate times and desperate situations, while giving them a personality and a face.

Didact is a generic human-hating antagonist with a laser, Librarian is a generic space ghost who helps the protagonist. The Master Builder is a corrupt jackass - again, nothing new or original.

The ultra-enigmnatic race of perfect beings, as they had originally been (as you prefer, apparently) is objectively more cliched and uninspired than a fleshed out character.

If Halo didn't popularize the idea, it was certainly an iconic example of it. Halo 1's entire basis was around its mystery.

The Precursors, on the other hand, can fill that roll because they represent the almost divine force of fate.

Who got driven off by the forerunners, so I wouldn't describe them as divine by any definition of the word. They seem more like a replacement 'mysterious advanced race' now that the forerunners aren't that mysterious or god-like anymore.

And the Composer was introduced in the books. Are you saying any weapon the Didact could have used would thus have just been cheap? Composer was explained in detail and proved just how far the once pure Forerunners had fallen from grace, to in effect become the one thing they fought against: forcibly converting beings into mindless killing machines is exactly what the Flood did. It is a tragic poetic irony that they had resorted to stooping to the Flood's level.

Quite so.

Tropes themselves are not bad--without tropes, there would be no story. Certain elements are universal to storytelling, and certain kinds of storytelling, such as sci-fi. How they are incorporated into the story, and how the characters develop as a result of these unique uses, are what matter.

Tropes are not bad...as long as they can be used creatively.

The original Halo trilogy was extremely creative and imaginative, with one of the greatest stories I've ever had the pleasure of playing through.

Halo 4 and its story just...isn't the same. It doesn't feel like anything new or original, nor does it have the feeling of wonder Halo 1 had (and Halo 2 and 3 sadly lacked).

That's just me, of course, but I'm kind of disappointed. And I've stated several times my disappointment with the Forerunner Trilogy.

  • 11.27.2012 2:40 PM PDT

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sounds like they dont even lift

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  • 11.27.2012 2:42 PM PDT

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Except for the part where the Precursors and Flood are still a total mystery. Tell me: what do we know about either of them other than that they are related in some way, and that the Flood is a parasite?

Precursor appearance: like a grossly misshapen human, with four upper limbs, two degenerate legs, and a head that looks like a sea scorpion. They created the Mantle, they went to war with the Forerunners, they lost but created the Flood as a revenge/failsafe/martyrdom (call it what you like) weapon to take the Forerunners with them.

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
The Forerunners were fleshed out through the terminals already. 343i merely portrayed them as an imperfect race of beings who were thrust into desperate times and desperate situations, while giving them a personality and a face. The ultra-enigmnatic race of perfect beings, as they had originally been (as you prefer, apparently) is objectively more cliched and uninspired than a fleshed out character. The Precursors, on the other hand, can fill that roll because they represent the almost divine force of fate.

Both are 10/10 cliched. Oh, and no, a few glitchy hidden computer terminals giving you transcripts of Forerunner conversations from which you can sort of work out the overarching details of why the Forerunners aren't around any more isn't fleshing out their character too much. it's giving you virtually no details. The multiple novels from Forerunner PoV are what removed the mystery. The terminals were sparse enough not do do so. And the idea that we're going to fall back to another even more super-ancient super-powerful civilization to take their place is laughable. What is this, a comic book? Shall we end up with row after row of ever more powerful, more ancient entities? What, exactly, is the point? you've come full circle, i.e. gone exactly nowhere. Why create the Precursors to replace the Forerunners? Why not just keep the Forerunners?

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
And the Composer was introduced in the books. Are you saying any weapon the Didact could have used would thus have just been cheap? Composer was explained in detail and proved just how far the once pure Forerunners had fallen from grace, to in effect become the one thing they fought against: forcibly converting beings into mindless killing machines is exactly what the Flood did. It is a tragic poetic irony that they had resorted to stooping to the Flood's level to fight it.

I've made it clear multiple times I'm not just talking about Halo 4, but the books as well.

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Tropes themselves are not bad--without tropes, there would be no story. Certain elements are universal to storytelling, and certain kinds of storytelling, such as sci-fi. How they are incorporated into the story, and how the characters develop as a result of these unique uses, are what matter. If I tried as hard as you do to find problems in stories, no story in history would be good enough for me.

Nope. I'm very easily pleased story-wise. Heck, I liked Avatar, don't even think of accusing me of being some wannabe super-critic. I just hate the way Halo's universe is being killed by over-saturation.

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
But you seem too butthurt to understand this, or at least willing to understand this.

Nice one. Cheap 12-year-old insult, with a "you're too dumb to understand me" thrown in to mix things up. Real classy, really adds depth to your argument.

  • 11.27.2012 2:46 PM PDT

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I feel like that 343 should have retained the mystery around the forerunners that made them so interesting.

Now apparently the forerunners have the force and giant laser shooting forks that can disintegrate human life. And why is it that the Covenant think they'll get access to all the forerunner tech when they can't even push buttons without using a human?

  • 11.27.2012 2:55 PM PDT

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