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Subject: Where Bungie Failed, 343i Succeeded

Halo 4 is my favorite Halo since Halo 2.

I love this game and I think 343i did a fantastic job with it. This game is miles ahead of what Reach was.

Sometimes I feel like Bungie never really cared about Reach...

  • 11.27.2012 3:59 PM PDT
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Yeah, because it was so clearly explained in campaign why the Covenant were fighting the UNSC and why they then sided with The Diadact. I never needed to preread books or hunt down terminals, then view them on Waypoint to find out what was going on in Halo 4. The pansyification of the Master Chief is another bright spot I'm glad 343i decided to explore.

  • 11.27.2012 3:59 PM PDT

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Posted by: x Foman123 x
Where Bungie Failed, 343i Succeeded I assume you're referring to turning Master Chief from a strong silent type to an annoying chatterbox, and Cortana from a sassy fireball to an apologetic whiner?
Ok, in what universe was chief an annoying chatterbox? He still talks less than an ordinary person, and rarely gives his opinion on things, just now he actually behaves as if he is actually experiencing the game while it is happening, not just the cutscenes. I liked that alot. As for Cortana, she is dying and going insane, she keeps screwing up and endangering people, and she can't help it. She isn't used to being imperfect and not being in control, and it scares her. She is acting exactly as I would expect her to in this situation.

  • 11.27.2012 4:00 PM PDT

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Posted by: nightspark
Yeah, because it was so clearly explained in campaign why the Covenant were fighting the UNSC and why they then sided with The Diadact. I never needed to preread books or hunt down terminals, then view them on Waypoint to find out what was going on in Halo 4. The pansyification of the Master Chief is another bright spot I'm glad 343i decided to explore.
Oh yeah, chief is such a pansy now, especially when he SET OFF A GOD DAMNED NUKE IN HIS HANDS.

[Edited on 11.27.2012 4:03 PM PST]

  • 11.27.2012 4:03 PM PDT


Posted by: Darthbill99

Posted by: nightspark
Yeah, because it was so clearly explained in campaign why the Covenant were fighting the UNSC and why they then sided with The Diadact. I never needed to preread books or hunt down terminals, then view them on Waypoint to find out what was going on in Halo 4. The pansyification of the Master Chief is another bright spot I'm glad 343i decided to explore.
Oh yeah, chief is such a pansy now, especially when he SET OFF A GOD DAMNED NUKE IN HIS HANDS.

"Oh noes Curtana ima plug u in dis ship Curtana wat u doin Curtana y arent i just pulling u out of da consul Curtana Curtana stahp Curtana we gun crash kablamie"

Happens like four times where he flips a crap because he plugged Cortana in somewhere and she messes up the plan. Not only this but the nuke makes no damn sense.

[Edited on 11.27.2012 4:06 PM PST]

  • 11.27.2012 4:06 PM PDT
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"These Covenant seem more fanatical then the ones we fought before."

Such a forced line.

  • 11.27.2012 4:07 PM PDT


Posted by: bergXX09

Posted by: Darthbill99

Posted by: nightspark
Yeah, because it was so clearly explained in campaign why the Covenant were fighting the UNSC and why they then sided with The Diadact. I never needed to preread books or hunt down terminals, then view them on Waypoint to find out what was going on in Halo 4. The pansyification of the Master Chief is another bright spot I'm glad 343i decided to explore.
Oh yeah, chief is such a pansy now, especially when he SET OFF A GOD DAMNED NUKE IN HIS HANDS.

"Oh noes Curtana ima plug u in dis ship Curtana wat u doin Curtana y arent i just pulling u out of da consul Curtana Curtana stahp Curtana we gun crash kablamie"

Happens like four times where he flips a crap because he plugged Cortana in somewhere and she messes up the plan. Not only this but the nuke makes no damn sense.

It seems like you've never played the game since it is actually told in the game.

  • 11.27.2012 4:08 PM PDT

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I was a finalist :P

Before you enrol in Halo 4's campaign, you need the following prerequisites:

- Watch the terminals.
- Read Glasslands.
- Read the Forerunner Saga novels.

[Edited on 11.28.2012 1:10 AM PST]

  • 11.27.2012 4:08 PM PDT


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Posted by: bergXX09

Posted by: Darthbill99

Posted by: nightspark
Yeah, because it was so clearly explained in campaign why the Covenant were fighting the UNSC and why they then sided with The Diadact. I never needed to preread books or hunt down terminals, then view them on Waypoint to find out what was going on in Halo 4. The pansyification of the Master Chief is another bright spot I'm glad 343i decided to explore.
Oh yeah, chief is such a pansy now, especially when he SET OFF A GOD DAMNED NUKE IN HIS HANDS.

"Oh noes Curtana ima plug u in dis ship Curtana wat u doin Curtana y arent i just pulling u out of da consul Curtana Curtana stahp Curtana we gun crash kablamie"

Happens like four times where he flips a crap because he plugged Cortana in somewhere and she messes up the plan. Not only this but the nuke makes no damn sense.

It seems like you've never played the game since it is actually told in the game.

DA HARDLIGHT SOMEHOW GOT BETWEEN THE EXPLOSION IN HIS HANDS AND A GOOD TEN FEET RADIUS AROUND HIM.

Makes so much sense. Lets just surround all ships in hardlight.

  • 11.27.2012 4:10 PM PDT

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Posted by: DarkVader9494
343 didn't learn anything from Reach


Derp thats why they took out armour lock, fixed bloom and nerfed friendly fire.

And great post OP, agreed.

  • 11.27.2012 4:11 PM PDT

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Agreed.

  • 11.27.2012 4:11 PM PDT

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Posted by: DarkVader9494
343 didn't learn anything from Reach


Derp thats why they took out armour lock, fixed bloom and nerfed friendly fire.

And great post OP, agreed.
Because armor abilities as a whole and loadouts don't work in Halo.

  • 11.27.2012 4:14 PM PDT

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Posted by: DarkVader9494
343 didn't learn anything from Reach

While I'd like to hear your opinions, I'd like it if you'd read the content of my post before responding.
I don't consider 343 succeeding with what they've added or kept onto this game. They'll never make a game even close to comparable among Halo CE - 3.

Honestly, it seems to me that is nostalgia speaking. Halo 2 had a great campaign because it massively expanded the scope of Halo's lore, not because it necessarily developed characters. Halo 4 executed many basic "Writing 101" elements far better than any of Bungie's previous games.
It seems as if 90% of those who praise Halo 4 started playing the series a few years after Halo 3's release. They don't understand how great the originals were in their prime, and don't view the games from their time.

Why else do you think there's been a decline in population, fans, and hype among the games?

Decline in population can be attributed to many things, namely the rise of Call of Duty ever since MW1 in 2007. Halo's fall in online popularity is a five year old phenomenon and cannot reasonably be attributed to 343i's oversight. I wouldn't say there is a decline in fans and hype (especially considering the sales success of Halo 4). The original Halo games were great (even though many seem to forget Halo 3's lackluster campaign), but it is irrational to claim that they were better in every single way.

I assume you're referring to turning Master Chief from a strong silent type to an annoying chatterbox, and Cortana from a sassy fireball to an apologetic whiner?

To someone like me who is a canon junkie, it was pure silliness how "stoic" the MC was in previous Halo games. In the novels, he isn't depicted as a chatterbox (and he isn't depicted this way in Halo 4 either, for that matter), but as someone who communicates quite extensively with his fellow S-IIs and, in a special case, Cortana.

Cortana's agreeably whiny attitude is clearly intentional given the traits a Smart AI is inclined to assimilate once it reaches rampancy stage. Cortana is dealing with the fact that she isn't a human despite the fact that every line in her coding at this point is screaming at her that she is. This was depicted very well in Halo 4.

Your judgments are either hyperbole or a lack of consideration of context.

  • 11.27.2012 4:14 PM PDT


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  • 11.27.2012 4:15 PM PDT

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Posted by: bergXX09

Posted by: Darthbill99

Posted by: nightspark
Yeah, because it was so clearly explained in campaign why the Covenant were fighting the UNSC and why they then sided with The Diadact. I never needed to preread books or hunt down terminals, then view them on Waypoint to find out what was going on in Halo 4. The pansyification of the Master Chief is another bright spot I'm glad 343i decided to explore.
Oh yeah, chief is such a pansy now, especially when he SET OFF A GOD DAMNED NUKE IN HIS HANDS.

"Oh noes Curtana ima plug u in dis ship Curtana wat u doin Curtana y arent i just pulling u out of da consul Curtana Curtana stahp Curtana we gun crash kablamie"

Happens like four times where he flips a crap because he plugged Cortana in somewhere and she messes up the plan. Not only this but the nuke makes no damn sense.
Uh, I fail to see how any of that makes chief a "pansy" the only time I can recall him even raising his voice was when she was about to crash the lich. and Hard light is light, meaning it can move at the speed of light, orders of magnitude faster than it takes for a nuke to detonate.

  • 11.27.2012 4:16 PM PDT

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  • 11.27.2012 4:16 PM PDT
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13.72 billion years in the making.

On December 1st, 2012, I met Neil deGrasse Tyson. I shook the man's hand, and even made him laugh. Not much else to do with my life now.

I agree that Chief spoke a bit more than I would've assumed in Halo 4, but it's not like they ruined his character. Had Master Chief been a more vocal individual, how he was presented in Halo 4 is precisely what I would've expected. I think they did a nice job with him. And I agree that Cortana should've been a bit sassier, but hey, rampancy made her, understandably, upset.

Imagen getting a terminal illness, then trying to act like you had prior. It's hard.

  • 11.27.2012 4:17 PM PDT

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Posted by: bergXX09

Posted by: Darthbill99

Posted by: nightspark
Yeah, because it was so clearly explained in campaign why the Covenant were fighting the UNSC and why they then sided with The Diadact. I never needed to preread books or hunt down terminals, then view them on Waypoint to find out what was going on in Halo 4. The pansyification of the Master Chief is another bright spot I'm glad 343i decided to explore.
Oh yeah, chief is such a pansy now, especially when he SET OFF A GOD DAMNED NUKE IN HIS HANDS.

"Oh noes Curtana ima plug u in dis ship Curtana wat u doin Curtana y arent i just pulling u out of da consul Curtana Curtana stahp Curtana we gun crash kablamie"

Happens like four times where he flips a crap because he plugged Cortana in somewhere and she messes up the plan. Not only this but the nuke makes no damn sense.

It seems like you've never played the game since it is actually told in the game.

DA HARDLIGHT SOMEHOW GOT BETWEEN THE EXPLOSION IN HIS HANDS AND A GOOD TEN FEET RADIUS AROUND HIM.

Makes so much sense. Lets just surround all ships in hardlight.


Do you know anything of the halo universe?

  • 11.27.2012 4:17 PM PDT

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If Fed Ex and UPS merged into one company, would it be called Fed Up?

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Posted by: Plasma Prestige
I wouldn't say there is a decline in fans and hype (especially considering the sales success of Halo 4).
Halo 3 still outsold Halo 4 in both of their first weeks...

  • 11.27.2012 4:17 PM PDT


Posted by: Harbing3r UK
Do you know anything of the halo universe?

Yes. Bull-blam!- massive holes in the games weren't included.

  • 11.27.2012 4:19 PM PDT

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Posted by: BrownRiceKrispie
Where Bungie succeeded, 343 failed miserably.

Replayability.

  • 11.27.2012 4:20 PM PDT

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I agree with most of your points.

  • 11.27.2012 4:21 PM PDT

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Posted by: bergXX09

Posted by: Harbing3r UK
Do you know anything of the halo universe?

Yes. Bull-blam!- massive holes in the games weren't included.
I fail to see how it's a massive hole. Hard light can travel at the speed of light, Cortana could have grabbed him with the hard light before the nuclear reaction even started.

  • 11.27.2012 4:21 PM PDT

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Posted by: DarkVader9494

Posted by: Plasma Prestige
I wouldn't say there is a decline in fans and hype (especially considering the sales success of Halo 4).
Halo 3 still outsold Halo 4 in both of their first weeks...

1. Halo 4 made more in its first week than most developers would dream of getting in a game's expected life, period.

2. Halo 3 was the end of a trilogy, garnering more sales as a result of that fact alone.

3. Halo Reach made around $20 million less on its first day than Halo 4. Does that mean anything? No.

  • 11.27.2012 4:22 PM PDT

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Posted by: DarkVader9494
343 didn't learn anything from Reach


Amour-lock would like to have a word with you.

  • 11.27.2012 4:22 PM PDT