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Subject: Where Bungie Failed, 343i Succeeded

343 Didn't learn anything at all.

Posted by: DarkVader9494
343 didn't learn anything from Reach.

  • 11.28.2012 9:36 AM PDT

I don't see you doing anything to help our country.
Except sitting at home, naked, eating twinkies, rubbing your hands together going "Heh. Target Destroyed. Mission Accomplished." Oh wait. that's not helping.


Posted by: Gaara444
343 Didn't learn anything at all.

Posted by: DarkVader9494
343 didn't learn anything from Reach.
It's very hard to learn without criticism. We would all be a bunch of bland robots without it. Things like locking down their forums from any criticism and of course the near perfect reviews they got may help to boost initial sales of this "perfect game", but when people expect a perfect game well...they expect a perfect game. 343i screwed themselves on this one.

  • 11.28.2012 9:39 AM PDT
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Posted by: DarkVader9494
Why else do you think there's been a decline in population, fans, and hype among the games?


Oh, I dont know, maybe the massive influx of new fps, and the outrageous popularity of COD?

  • 11.28.2012 9:39 AM PDT

Well at least you admit that the multiplayer and forge is lacking and I can't write you off as a fanboy; and I do agree, the campaign was good; the only good thing.

  • 11.28.2012 9:43 AM PDT

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Posted by: Plasma Prestige
Halo 3's campaign existed for the sole purpose of ending a trilogy. There was nothing meaningful or interesting embedded within the story.


Really? You didn't find the bond between the Chief and Cortana worthwhile and the Chiefs unwavering trust in her? Or defeating the Flood finally and saving Earth? Or Johnson or Mirandas death? Or the alliance between UNSC and Covenant and the respect between the Chief and the Arbiter? Terminals??

None of this was meaningful or interesting?

Really...?

  • 11.28.2012 9:44 AM PDT


Posted by: Rabid Grunt 3

Posted by: DarkVader9494
Why else do you think there's been a decline in population, fans, and hype among the games?


Oh, I dont know, maybe the massive influx of new fps, and the outrageous popularity of COD?


Or maybe because of this.

^ didn't mean for this one to start at the end. You should watch it from the beginning.

and this.

[Edited on 11.28.2012 10:12 AM PST]

  • 11.28.2012 9:45 AM PDT

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Posted by: Kadoozy
Or maybe because of this.

and this.


Haven't seen that second one, thanks.

I havent played H4 Infinity Slayer in a few weeks now, only dropping into Spartan Ops every Monday. The game is boring, that's all I know for sure.

To me H4 is really really boring.

  • 11.28.2012 9:55 AM PDT

Served in the UNSC army since Halo 1. Now awaiting deployment in Bungies new game.

Ive like Halo 4 so far......until me and many others just lost connection to there servers....we cant play online on any halo game anymore and it seems 343 industries is sorta sweeping it under the rug, though they are sorta trying to fix it.....

  • 11.28.2012 10:13 AM PDT

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Posted by: Plasma Prestige

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Posted by: DarkVader9494
343 didn't learn anything from Reach

While I'd like to hear your opinions, I'd like it if you'd read the content of my post before responding.
I don't consider 343 succeeding with what they've added or kept onto this game. They'll never make a game even close to comparable among Halo CE - 3.

Honestly, it seems to me that is nostalgia speaking. Halo 2 had a great campaign because it massively expanded the scope of Halo's lore, not because it necessarily developed characters. Halo 4 executed many basic "Writing 101" elements far better than any of Bungie's previous games.
It seems as if 90% of those who praise Halo 4 started playing the series a few years after Halo 3's release. They don't understand how great the originals were in their prime, and don't view the games from their time.

Why else do you think there's been a decline in population, fans, and hype among the games?
uhhh. i played since the original during the time it lauched and i still enjoy Halo very much.

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Posted by: DarkVader9494
Why else do you think there's been a decline in population, fans, and hype among the games?


Oh, I dont know, maybe the massive influx of new fps, and the outrageous popularity of COD?


Or maybe because of this.

^ didn't mean for this one to start at the end. You should watch it from the beginning.

and this.


Lets be honest, your points have very little effect.

  • 11.28.2012 10:17 AM PDT


Posted by: Rabid Grunt 3

Lets be honest, your points have very little effect.


On your opinion? I never expected to change a fanboys opinion that blames CoD for all his problems.

On the people that left? Yes, the points in the videos have a great deal of an affect.

If you really think that everyone left just because of CoD, then that would mean that Halo wasn't good enough on its own merit to compete with CoD; which it isn't.

Unless 343 gives a massive TU that actually fixes its garbage multiplayer, then the game is going to continue to suck. Which is a shame because Halo 4 could actually be a pretty great game.

  • 11.28.2012 10:27 AM PDT

No u


Posted by: x Foman123 x
Where Bungie Failed, 343i Succeeded I assume you're referring to turning Master Chief from a strong silent type to an annoying chatterbox, and Cortana from a sassy fireball to an apologetic whiner?
Foman just went straight up Retard.

Cortana's dying. She's hard four years of solitude to contemplate her death. After all that, you think that she wouldn't change? When she talks, (which in the books it explains take an unecessary amount of processing power) she's fighting against all of her other personalities. Her state is literally like unto that of a delicate flower.

The Chief spoke when necessary, and he didn't even speak as much as characters in other games do. He speaks curtly, precisely, and all of his dialogue is short. He doesn't respond many times when he should respond. Still silent. Still a badass.

Could you, ya know, at least add some substance to your post and give some evidence?

[Edited on 11.28.2012 10:35 AM PST]

  • 11.28.2012 10:31 AM PDT

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Posted by: Plasma Prestige
Halo 3's campaign existed for the sole purpose of ending a trilogy. There was nothing meaningful or interesting embedded within the story.


Really? You didn't find the bond between the Chief and Cortana worthwhile and the Chiefs unwavering trust in her? Or defeating the Flood finally and saving Earth? Or Johnson or Mirandas death? Or the alliance between UNSC and Covenant and the respect between the Chief and the Arbiter? Terminals??

None of this was meaningful or interesting?

Really...?


No, because the campaign ended on a cliffhanger and plot holes.

  • 11.28.2012 10:33 AM PDT

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Posted by: x Foman123 x
Where Bungie Failed, 343i Succeeded I assume you're referring to turning Master Chief from a strong silent type to an annoying chatterbox, and Cortana from a sassy fireball to an apologetic whiner?
Foman just went straight up Retard.

Cortana's dying. She's hard four years of solitude to contemplate her death. After all that, you think that she wouldn't change? When she talks, (which in the books it explains take an unecessary amount of processing power) she's fighting against all of her other personalities. Her state is literally like unto that of a delicate flower.

The Chief spoke when necessary, and he didn't even speak as much as characters in other games do. He speaks curtly, precisely, and all of his dialogue is short. He doesn't respond many times when he should respond. Still silent. Still a badass.


Point about Cortana is agreeable. Point about Chief isn't. He's not silent at all lol.

  • 11.28.2012 10:35 AM PDT

No u


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Posted by: x Foman123 x
Where Bungie Failed, 343i Succeeded I assume you're referring to turning Master Chief from a strong silent type to an annoying chatterbox, and Cortana from a sassy fireball to an apologetic whiner?
Foman just went straight up Retard.

Cortana's dying. She's hard four years of solitude to contemplate her death. After all that, you think that she wouldn't change? When she talks, (which in the books it explains take an unecessary amount of processing power) she's fighting against all of her other personalities. Her state is literally like unto that of a delicate flower.

The Chief spoke when necessary, and he didn't even speak as much as characters in other games do. He speaks curtly, precisely, and all of his dialogue is short. He doesn't respond many times when he should respond. Still silent. Still a badass.


Point about Cortana is agreeable. Point about Chief isn't. He's not silent at all lol.
He talks when it's necessary. He's plenty silent, just not nearly as much so as in the first three Halo's.

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Posted by: Kadoozy

On your opinion? I never expected to change a fanboys opinion that blames CoD for all his problems.


"A fanboy". Oh lord, dont make me laugh. I'm a fanboy for liking games? And for not crying hiccups that dont determent my enjoyment?

And blaming CoD for all my problems? Are you a moron? I said CoD massively contributes to Halos, and every other console fps's, lack of online players. It's not an opinion, it's a fact. And how am I blaming CoD for my problems? Or did you decide not to engage your brain when your fingers hit the keyboard.


Posted by: Kadoozy

If you really think that everyone left just because of CoD, then that would mean that Halo wasn't good enough on its own merit to compete with CoD


No it just means more people enjoy CoD to Halo. Derp.

[Edited on 11.28.2012 10:42 AM PST]

  • 11.28.2012 10:41 AM PDT

ISU Cyclones!

We'll see how the multiplayer pans out. Every single sequel had changes that "ruined" it and still was plenty popular. Every game has had its issues so I really doubt this one will be the one that kills off Halo's multiplayer.

As for campaign people really actually think that the characterization was WORSE in Halo 4 than the other ones? It's almost objectively better in nearly every way.

Maybe people liked better when Chief was an emotionless death machine and Cortana was barely more than a plot device/skeleton key for all the doors but they're actually characters that grow, change, and build to something this time around.

Defeating Didact was really playing 2nd fiddle to Chief and Cortana's struggle.

  • 11.28.2012 11:13 AM PDT

Also, can I just say, I don't think I've watched a Halo cutscene more times than I have Didact's introduction. Seriously, that music, that voice, that dialogue, that facial animation. 343 really pushed the way characters were presented in this game. I love watching the emotions he displays, from obvious to subtle.

[Edited on 11.28.2012 11:52 AM PST]

  • 11.28.2012 11:48 AM PDT

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Posted by: AR IS4 NUBS
Here's the thing.
Bungie>everyone else.

343i made a mistake by taking on the Halo realm. Especially for their "first real game." Yes it's a Halo game, but just the fact that it is Halo. Despite that 343i took on the project, we all played Halo due to it was another Halo game. Why? we love the Halo universe/multiverse. All in all, we got Halo and played Halo only because it was the next Halo game. Wouldn't have mattered who made it.
So again, 343i made it and yes they failed. HOPEFULLY they'll learn for next time.

This is irrational logic (nostalgia), not objective reasoning. 343i made a campaign that is an order of magnitude better than Reach's and ODST's campaigns, and on the level of Halo 2's and Halo CE's campaigns.

Where CE delivered in immersion and 2 delivered in backstory, Halo 4 delivered in storytelling and character development. Bungie has demonstrated through two games that they are unable to make a cast of characters engaging or non-generic (see ODST and Noble Team).

  • 11.28.2012 2:38 PM PDT

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Posted by: flamedude
Posted by: Plasma Prestige
Halo 3's campaign existed for the sole purpose of ending a trilogy. There was nothing meaningful or interesting embedded within the story.


Really? You didn't find the bond between the Chief and Cortana worthwhile and the Chiefs unwavering trust in her? Or defeating the Flood finally and saving Earth? Or Johnson or Mirandas death? Or the alliance between UNSC and Covenant and the respect between the Chief and the Arbiter? Terminals??

None of this was meaningful or interesting?

Really...?

Of everything you mentioned, the only redeeming quality that Halo 3's campaign had was the unwavering trust John had for Cortana. However, Bungie also tried to incorporate this into gameplay using the level Cortana, and rather unsuccessfully given the fact that this level is hated as general consensus. Halo 3 was not a horrible campaign; in fact, looking back on it, it wasn't as bad as I seem to be implying here, but even so, 343i is markedly better at storytelling and developing characters. Bungie completely failed in this regard in Halo: Reach (as if the canon-breaking wasn't enough).

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While I personally agree that 343i did well with how they handled the story, one of the biggest complaints about the campaign (that I have seen) is that people are generally lost unless they follow the expanded universe. Not the greatest idea for a franchise to alienate a large amount of the players by making them feel lost.

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Yes, but where Bungie succeeded the most, 343i failed.

There's many small details missing, as if 343 is trying hard to forget Bungie.

  • 11.28.2012 3:06 PM PDT
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Posted by: flamedude
Posted by: Plasma Prestige
Halo 3's campaign existed for the sole purpose of ending a trilogy. There was nothing meaningful or interesting embedded within the story.


Really? You didn't find the bond between the Chief and Cortana worthwhile and the Chiefs unwavering trust in her? Or defeating the Flood finally and saving Earth? Or Johnson or Mirandas death? Or the alliance between UNSC and Covenant and the respect between the Chief and the Arbiter? Terminals??

None of this was meaningful or interesting?

Really...?

I think he is exaggerating. Unfortunately Halo 3's cutscenes were where most of the story was told.

  • 11.28.2012 3:10 PM PDT
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I find it funny how the OP's focus on the thread is how 343's direction with the campaign in Halo 4 is one of the strongest amongst the series, yet many of the replies deviate to how bad the muitiplayer is. Additionally, the very few replies that seem to tackle the topic are for the sake of nostalgia versus a constructive argument or opinion.

  • 11.28.2012 3:17 PM PDT