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Subject: Where Bungie Failed, 343i Succeeded

Expressing my strong liberal views without shame. Favorite quotes below:

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."
"One starts to live when he can live outside himself."

- Albert Einstein

While I'm aware of some of Halo 3's weaknesses, I'd like to hear your take on it.

Halo 3's campaign existed for the sole purpose of ending a trilogy. There was nothing meaningful or interesting embedded within the story. In CE, we were introduced to this mysterious new Universe through the environments we wandered and enemies we fought; in Halo 2, we were shown the other side of the coin neglected in Halo CE--the Covenant. While both CE and Halo 2 advanced the plot of the trilogy, they also did something more that added flesh to the bones of the Halo Universe. Halo 3 did no such thing.

While Halo 4 also advances the plot, it also develops the interesting theme of man vs. machine, something that has been touched on previously in the Halo franchise through the Spartan program and the emergence of increasingly powerful artificial intelligence. Halo 4 was the culmination of the relationship between John and Cortana and begged the question of who was more machine than man: the 7 feet tall super-soldier who displays minimal emotion, or the deteriorating AI whose every line of code insists that she is human?

I know it was built for colonization/ONI propagonda/whatever you want it to be built for, and it was being built prior to the war ending. But to pull a plot device as big as that out of thin air is bold in a bad way, and so "conveniently" fits right into the plot. Besides, I mentioned it was being built before the war.

To be fair, it wasn't pulled out of thin air. Halo Glasslands (as flawed as the book is) introduced it briefly and The Thursday War elaborated. It isn't difficult to believe that ONI had sanctioned its development some years before the war ended. Besides being a cool setpiece, though, the Infinity was not an integral part of Halo 4's campaign anyway.

  • 11.27.2012 5:26 PM PDT

343 made a halo game worse then reach. very hard to do but they succeeded

  • 11.27.2012 5:26 PM PDT

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Posted by: ryan299
343 made a halo game worse then reach. very hard to do but they succeeded

  • 11.27.2012 5:27 PM PDT

*rolls eyes*

  • 11.27.2012 5:27 PM PDT

Expressing my strong liberal views without shame. Favorite quotes below:

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."
"One starts to live when he can live outside himself."

- Albert Einstein


Posted by: ryan299
343 made a halo game worse then reach. very hard to do but they succeeded

The only departments where Reach really failed was maps for multiplayer and massive campaign problems. The latter is most relevant to our discussion here, and it has been addressed in Halo 4 for the most part.

  • 11.27.2012 5:28 PM PDT


Posted by: ryan299
343 made a halo game worse then reach. very hard to do but they succeeded
Say what you will about the MP (even though that's still better, even with its issues), but I hope you're not talking about Campaign as well. Reach's Campaign was so dire it isn't even funny. That game broke my heart.

[Edited on 11.27.2012 5:29 PM PST]

  • 11.27.2012 5:29 PM PDT


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343 didn't learn anything from Reach

While I'd like to hear your opinions, I'd like it if you'd read the content of my post before responding.
I don't consider 343 succeeding with what they've added or kept onto this game. They'll never make a game even close to comparable among Halo CE - 3.

Honestly, it seems to me that is nostalgia speaking. Halo 2 had a great campaign because it massively expanded the scope of Halo's lore, not because it necessarily developed characters. Halo 4 executed many basic "Writing 101" elements far better than any of Bungie's previous games.
It seems as if 90% of those who praise Halo 4 started playing the series a few years after Halo 3's release. They don't understand how great the originals were in their prime, and don't view the games from their time.

Why else do you think there's been a decline in population, fans, and hype among the games?


Uh... I've been playing since halo 2, and I think halo 4 is great.

  • 11.27.2012 5:29 PM PDT

>343i
>Succeed

Pick one

[Edited on 11.27.2012 5:30 PM PST]

  • 11.27.2012 5:29 PM PDT

I am alpha, i am omega.

I am the last of the primes.

I like how the flood has 1 standard for halo games, and then another for other games...

I mean if you applied your mp standard for halo onto cod or BF you would be raging so hard in every thread about everything...

  • 11.27.2012 5:33 PM PDT

Shabam

The campaign was the most in-depth campaign in all of the Halo's, that goes without question. And even if you read none of the novels, the Halo 4 campaign was loaded down with nostalgic elements to it, containing campaign elements from most of the previous Halo's, particularly and especially Combat Evolved, which seems fitting as it's a beginning to a new trilogy. Every game in the Halo series had its problems. Hell, Combat Evolved made very little at all until you played Halo 2 or read the novels. The only reason Halo 4 is receiving this much criticism is because it's different in aspects that people don't like, and as most competent people realize, ignorant people despise change. But I'm not one of those people who go off and say there's nothing wrong with Halo 4- there's more than enough on 343i's plate. But as to the whining about the necessary changes made to plot characters, just stop. It's not like they're going to listen to incessant ignorant rabble, much less change something.

[Edited on 11.27.2012 5:39 PM PST]

  • 11.27.2012 5:33 PM PDT

Expressing my strong liberal views without shame. Favorite quotes below:

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."
"One starts to live when he can live outside himself."

- Albert Einstein


Posted by: ferrrari
I like how the flood has 1 standard for halo games, and then another for other games...

I mean if you applied your mp standard for halo onto cod or BF you would be raging so hard in every thread about everything...

Having different standards is more than understandable. I expect more from Mass Effect when it comes to storytelling and character development than I do Halo or Call of Duty, and I expect more of Halo when it comes to community customization than I do Battlefield.

  • 11.27.2012 5:36 PM PDT

I am alpha, i am omega.

I am the last of the primes.


Posted by: Plasma Prestige

Posted by: ferrrari
I like how the flood has 1 standard for halo games, and then another for other games...

I mean if you applied your mp standard for halo onto cod or BF you would be raging so hard in every thread about everything...

Having different standards is more than understandable. I expect more from Mass Effect when it comes to storytelling and character development than I do Halo or Call of Duty, and I expect more of Halo when it comes to community customization than I do Battlefield.

Don't get me wrong halo should be to a higher standard then cod, but some people take it way over the top.

They say bad things about halo 4, which is fine and all, no game is ever perfect (apart from Spyro 2) but they will pick out the smallest of things and expand on them like it's game breaking.

  • 11.27.2012 5:41 PM PDT

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If Fed Ex and UPS merged into one company, would it be called Fed Up?

I don't want to start another account for a digital number that has no true value in ten years.


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Posted by: DarkVader9494

[It seems as if 90% of those who praise Halo 4 started playing the series a few years after Halo 3's release. They don't understand how great the originals were in their prime, and don't view the games from their time.

Why else do you think there's been a decline in population, fans, and hype among the games?


Uh... I've been playing since halo 2, and I think halo 4 is great.

  • 11.27.2012 5:42 PM PDT

Nice opinion.... but the reality is that halo 4 is the worst out of the box game in the franchise. 343 killed halo and honestly my entire interest in video games i will continue to play other things casually but halo has always been my go to game and one that i could actually take seriously.

  • 11.27.2012 5:42 PM PDT
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Posted by: luigi2147
Nice opinion.... but the reality is that halo 4 is the worst out of the box game in the franchise. 343 killed halo and honestly my entire interest in video games i will continue to play other things casually but halo has always been my go to game and one that i could actually take seriously.


How exactly did Halo 4 campaign kill Halo? Or are you just jumping on this thread to hate on multiplayer?

  • 11.27.2012 5:43 PM PDT

There once was an ugly barnacle. He was so ugly that everyone died.

The end.

SCFH

I thought Bungie did an extroadinary job on their Campaigns, in all of their Halos. Not that 343i did a bad job, its just that... i really can't explain it. I just love Bungie's Halo campaigns.

[Edited on 11.27.2012 5:46 PM PST]

  • 11.27.2012 5:45 PM PDT

Shabam


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Posted by: luigi2147
Nice opinion.... but the reality is that halo 4 is the worst out of the box game in the franchise. 343 killed halo and honestly my entire interest in video games i will continue to play other things casually but halo has always been my go to game and one that i could actually take seriously.


How exactly did Halo 4 campaign kill Halo? Or are you just jumping on this thread to hate on multiplayer?


I doubt he actually read the OP.

  • 11.27.2012 5:45 PM PDT

My legit Killtrocity

Camping like a 'mouth breather'
If Fed Ex and UPS merged into one company, would it be called Fed Up?

I don't want to start another account for a digital number that has no true value in ten years.


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Posted by: luigi2147
Nice opinion.... but the reality is that halo 4 is the worst out of the box game in the franchise. 343 killed halo and honestly my entire interest in video games i will continue to play other things casually but halo has always been my go to game and one that i could actually take seriously.


How exactly did Halo 4 campaign kill Halo? Or are you just jumping on this thread to hate on multiplayer?
oh gosh, someone has a different opinion than you!

  • 11.27.2012 5:45 PM PDT
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343 is bad at making Halo games.

  • 11.27.2012 5:46 PM PDT

I am alpha, i am omega.

I am the last of the primes.


Posted by: DarkVader9494

Posted by: Aang the Avatar

Posted by: luigi2147
Nice opinion.... but the reality is that halo 4 is the worst out of the box game in the franchise. 343 killed halo and honestly my entire interest in video games i will continue to play other things casually but halo has always been my go to game and one that i could actually take seriously.


How exactly did Halo 4 campaign kill Halo? Or are you just jumping on this thread to hate on multiplayer?
oh gosh, someone has a different opinion than you!

-blam!- please there 2 types of opinions in the world, mine and the wrong 1.


Really though people should back up their opinion with statements as to why.

  • 11.27.2012 5:48 PM PDT
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Posted by: Achronos
It isn't our shiznit anymore.

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One disappointing moment ruins the whole campaign?
Nah, the campaign couldn't be ruined because it never got good enough to be ruined for me. I'm surprised so little was explained in the campaign.

  • 11.27.2012 5:50 PM PDT

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Where Bungie succeeded, 343 failed miserably.

Replayability.

  • 11.27.2012 5:51 PM PDT

Shabam


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Posted by: Aang the Avatar
One disappointing moment ruins the whole campaign?
Nah, the campaign couldn't be ruined because it never got good enough to be ruined for me. I'm surprised so little was explained in the campaign.


Campaign was explained through novels. It was a little risky banking so much on people reading those, but then again, how much of the Halo CE campaign was explained during the story?

  • 11.27.2012 5:52 PM PDT
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Posted by: DarkVader9494

Posted by: Aang the Avatar

Posted by: luigi2147
Nice opinion.... but the reality is that halo 4 is the worst out of the box game in the franchise. 343 killed halo and honestly my entire interest in video games i will continue to play other things casually but halo has always been my go to game and one that i could actually take seriously.


How exactly did Halo 4 campaign kill Halo? Or are you just jumping on this thread to hate on multiplayer?
oh gosh, someone has a different opinion than you!


Considering he's making these grand accusations of 343 killing Halo without providing reasons, it's reasonable for me to assume he's talking about multiplayer isn't it?

  • 11.27.2012 5:53 PM PDT
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Posted by: boomdeyadah
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Where Bungie succeeded, 343 failed miserably.

Replayability.


I'd rather play Halo 4 campaign over and over again than any of the previous ones.

  • 11.27.2012 5:53 PM PDT