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Subject: Teen shoots and kills his father to save his mother.
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No fallacies here; I'm trying to understand your logic. The boy did not break the law - he stopped a criminal. Spousal abuse is a crime.

He still killed someone when it was unnecessary. He deserves a sentence. By the logic of everyone here, you should be able to kill someone because they're a threat to someone else as if alternatives don't exist. It's barbarism.
At what point would shooting his father be acceptable?

When he has a weapon and is undoubtedly going to kill him or someone else. Beating someone doesn't constitute a death.
So..gun loaded and aimed, finger on the trigger? Anything else, and the boy goes to jail for defending his mother from his abusive father?

Okay..

Basically. I don't see why killing someone is taken so lightly here.

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Nobody does this, and certainly not in the situation described in the OP.

Go troll elsewhere.

How am I troll? Because I broke your logic?

You didn't break anyone's logic, you bumbling buffoon.

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  • 11.27.2012 8:35 PM PDT
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Posted by: Heart of Stone
Posted by: MadMax888
At what point would shooting his father be acceptable?

When he has a weapon and is undoubtedly going to kill him or someone else.
Choking someone until they suffocate certainly falls into that category.

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He deserves to go to jail. He killed someone, thus broke the law, thus he gets prison time. This is pretty simple.

So much stupidity in this single post, that should do me for a couple years.

Nice ad hominem argument.
Should cops go to jail when they shoot a criminal?

That's entirely different. You all should stop using fallacies.

lol Who the hell is using a fallacy? I haven't seen a single one this entire thread.

  • 11.27.2012 8:35 PM PDT

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Posted by: Heart of Stone
He still killed someone when it was unnecessary. He deserves a sentence. By the logic of everyone here, you should be able to kill someone because they're a threat to someone else as if alternatives don't exist. It's barbarism.

Please never become a lawyer.

You have absolutely no idea what it's like to be in that situation. Stress and adrenaline wouldn't allow a (hypothetically) untrained teenager to shoot to wound. Killing his father in defense of his mother who most likely would have been killed or seriously injured is hardly barbarism.

  • 11.27.2012 8:36 PM PDT

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I like this boy, he did what had to be done. Way to be!

  • 11.27.2012 8:36 PM PDT

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Posted by: MadMax888
No fallacies here; I'm trying to understand your logic. The boy did not break the law - he stopped a criminal. Spousal abuse is a crime.

He still killed someone when it was unnecessary. He deserves a sentence. By the logic of everyone here, you should be able to kill someone because they're a threat to someone else as if alternatives don't exist. It's barbarism.
At what point would shooting his father be acceptable?

When he has a weapon and is undoubtedly going to kill him or someone else. Beating someone doesn't constitute a death.
He was choking her. You did not read well.

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No fallacies here; I'm trying to understand your logic. The boy did not break the law - he stopped a criminal. Spousal abuse is a crime.

He still killed someone when it was unnecessary. He deserves a sentence. By the logic of everyone here, you should be able to kill someone because they're a threat to someone else as if alternatives don't exist. It's barbarism.
At what point would shooting his father be acceptable?

When he has a weapon and is undoubtedly going to kill him or someone else. Beating someone doesn't constitute a death.

The man was at the point of choking her to death. Did you not read the article?

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Though that was probably kind of reckless if his dad was still near his mom when he was shooting as he [s]could have ended up shooting his mom too. [/s]

Oh and he actually did shoot her too.

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A teenager who witnessed a dispute between his parents turn violent fatally shot his father in a desperate attempt to save his mother's life, police in Florida say.

The fight between Christopher and Jill Thorpe began Saturday evening during a bonfire party in Plant City, Fox News reports. The couple went inside of a mobile home and an argument ensued.

"He was beating her, [he] kept punching her," said Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office spokeswoman Debbie Carter, according to Fox. "Then they went from the living room to the master bedroom where he kept beating her."

The couple's 17-year-old son, Channing Thorpe, ran into the mobile home where he discovered his father strangling his mother, police say. The teen used a handgun to fire several shots at his father to kill him, WTSP reports.


No one has been charged as of yet in this incident.

I can't imagine feeling that I had to choose which of my parents to let live. I have no idea how I would react under that sort of pressure.

So do you think the teenager in this story did the right thing? Or should he have tried something less lethal?

He won't be able believe he did the right thing for quite a long time. I'm not sure I could come to terms with it.

  • 11.27.2012 8:39 PM PDT

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He did the right thing. If I were in his position, I'd do the same. A gun, a knife, doesn't matter. I wouldn't hesitate

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Posted by: Heart of Stone

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Posted by: MadMax888
No fallacies here; I'm trying to understand your logic. The boy did not break the law - he stopped a criminal. Spousal abuse is a crime.

He still killed someone when it was unnecessary. He deserves a sentence. By the logic of everyone here, you should be able to kill someone because they're a threat to someone else as if alternatives don't exist. It's barbarism.
At what point would shooting his father be acceptable?

When he has a weapon and is undoubtedly going to kill him or someone else. Beating someone doesn't constitute a death.

The man was at the point of choking her to death. Did you not read the article?

And how do we know he's telling the truth or that we would have succeeded? There's a probability that she would not have died.

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I can't imagine feeling that I had to choose which of my parents to let live. I have no idea how I would react under that sort of pressure.
why? save your mother obviously
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So do you think the teenager in this story did the right thing? Or should he have tried something less lethal?
depends if the reason for his father to attack his mother was good enough IMO but he shouldn't have killed his father, 2 flesh wounds should do it

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Posted by: MadMax888
No fallacies here; I'm trying to understand your logic. The boy did not break the law - he stopped a criminal. Spousal abuse is a crime.

He still killed someone when it was unnecessary. He deserves a sentence. By the logic of everyone here, you should be able to kill someone because they're a threat to someone else as if alternatives don't exist. It's barbarism.
At what point would shooting his father be acceptable?

When he has a weapon and is undoubtedly going to kill him or someone else. Beating someone doesn't constitute a death.
He was choking her. You did not read well.

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You clearly didn't comprehend anything I said.

  • 11.27.2012 8:41 PM PDT

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Posted by: Heart of Stone
And how do we know he's telling the truth or that we would have succeeded? There's a probability that she would not have died.

No. There's a possibility that she wouldn't have died. There's know way to know if it was probable.

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Guys don't you see this was a set up to kill his father?

  • 11.27.2012 8:42 PM PDT

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I don't know about anyone else, but if my Mother were to be killed by a mentally unstable and psychopathic man and I knew I could've done something to prevent it, but didn't, I could never live with myself. Sure, that's his father, but if my father were to do such a thing, I would feel no remorse in killing him.

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  • 11.27.2012 8:43 PM PDT

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  • 11.27.2012 8:47 PM PDT

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Posted by: Heart of Stone
You clearly didn't comprehend anything I said.
You're saying that the man was not doing enough to constitute killing him, yeah?

You're saying that he needs to clearly be very obviously and immediately close to killing her, yeah?

You said "beating someone doesn't constitute death", yeah? Implying that's all he was doing?

Well that's not all he was doing. He was choking her to death. Which means she was in immediate danger of dying. Hence deadly force.

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  • 11.27.2012 8:48 PM PDT

I'd take him out too. Easy choice, especially in the heat of the moment. There's no "Who should I let live", there's just "Get the [REDACTED] off my mother!"


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  • 11.27.2012 8:51 PM PDT

You guys can analyze and make observations all you want. The fact of the matter is, none of us were there, none of us have been in that situation and none of us know what the kid was going through.

It must be pretty mind-wrecking to see your father attempt to strangle your mother to death.

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You guys sound like you would have seen what was happening and then took a seat to think about how you would handle it before actually handling it. In real-world situations, instinct kicks in, and if you see someone being beaten and choked to death, you do anything you can to stop them.

  • 11.27.2012 9:19 PM PDT
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Well, I could say that there were better ways to handle this but when you're that young and witness something as terrifying as that then logical thoughts aren't really running through your head.
Honestly, if I ever seen anyone handling my mother that way I'd do the same thing.

  • 11.27.2012 9:30 PM PDT

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Posted by: Heart of Stone
He deserves to go to jail. He killed someone, thus broke the law, thus he gets prison time. This is pretty simple.

What are you talking about? Killing to prevent murder is not illegal.

  • 11.27.2012 9:36 PM PDT

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You guys sound like you would have seen what was happening and then took a seat to think about how you would handle it before actually handling it. In real-world situations, instinct kicks in, and if you see someone being beaten and choked to death, you do anything you can to stop them.
I think 70% of us see that, but there is a vocal 10% that doesn't and is also saying that the kid made a mistake.

For you math people, 20% don't see and aren't arguing.

  • 11.27.2012 9:38 PM PDT