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Subject: Everybody is a victim of circumstance. (Philosophy)

Rock bottom is no place to set up camp. Especially in the dark.

Everybody is born with neutrality. A clean slate. But over time, that slate is positively or negatively affected by the decisions of others. It's my belief that nobody is bad or good. They just make bad or good decisions, and ultimately are victims of circumstance and happenings that affected their brain that they had no power over.

For example, Hitler. He was born with a clean slate. But the people surrounding him helped his brain create ideas for himself. Influences. Thus, he is a victim of circumstance.

What do you think of this? Do you believe everybody is born neutral? If not, explain.

  • 11.27.2012 9:20 PM PDT

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  • 11.27.2012 9:21 PM PDT

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you just demolished free will without bringing up free will.

  • 11.27.2012 9:21 PM PDT
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No, I don't . Nobody is born perfect. You see, your guess relies on somebody or something to teach bad deeds. Go back far enough, and you run out of teachers. How did that first person do bad things if he wasn't taught?

  • 11.27.2012 9:23 PM PDT

Rock bottom is no place to set up camp. Especially in the dark.


Posted by: catman6
you just demolished free will without bringing up free will.


What if free will is simply what you do with the ideas you gain over time? Such as a person grown up in a poor, abusive, and oppressed family versus a person grown up in a wealthy, nice, fun, and un-oppressed family?

You always have free will, as well as influence.

  • 11.27.2012 9:23 PM PDT

The Universe demands to be noticed, to be seen, and dutifully noted.

What use all those incredible firework dimensions if no eye fixes and reflects, no brain takes notes, no heart moves with passion at the display?

NASA answers the silent cry of the Cosmos for recognition.

NASA is the witness and we fellow witnesses to the endless deeps.

We don't have sufficient knowledge surrounding the genetic code to conclusively say that our actions are entirely dictated by circumstance - (which they almost certainly are to an extent, it's pretty obvious).

It's most likely a combination of the two - as a simple example, males born with swollen adrenal glands that secrete more testosterone than normal are likely to be more predisposed to violence, etc., etc.

  • 11.27.2012 9:24 PM PDT

Rock bottom is no place to set up camp. Especially in the dark.


Posted by: Dead FallingCP
No, I don't . Nobody is born perfect. You see, your guess relies on somebody or something to teach bad deeds. Go back far enough, and you run out of teachers. How did that first person do bad things if he wasn't taught?


Maybe there was never a true beginning.

  • 11.27.2012 9:24 PM PDT

To some degree this is true, but I believe that there are some characteristics inherent in individuals' personalities. Some people's brains simply function differently than others.

  • 11.27.2012 9:27 PM PDT
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Posted by: Mister Donut

Posted by: Dead FallingCP
No, I don't . Nobody is born perfect. You see, your guess relies on somebody or something to teach bad deeds. Go back far enough, and you run out of teachers. How did that first person do bad things if he wasn't taught?


Maybe there was never a true beginning.


So, everything poofed into place without nothing to create it? Sorry, but we already got too much of that.

  • 11.27.2012 9:27 PM PDT

Rock bottom is no place to set up camp. Especially in the dark.


Posted by: Dead FallingCP

Posted by: Mister Donut

Posted by: Dead FallingCP
No, I don't . Nobody is born perfect. You see, your guess relies on somebody or something to teach bad deeds. Go back far enough, and you run out of teachers. How did that first person do bad things if he wasn't taught?


Maybe there was never a true beginning.


So, everything poofed into place without nothing to create it? Sorry, but we already got too much of that.


lol I know, I know. It was just food for thought.

  • 11.27.2012 9:28 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

So how do you account for people with mental disabilities or defects that affect their decision making?

  • 11.27.2012 9:28 PM PDT

Yes but Hitler had free will, as you and I do. There are plenty of people who are born in awful circumstances but still manage to come out good people.

  • 11.27.2012 9:29 PM PDT


Posted by: catman6
you just demolished free will without bringing up free will.
Just because the environment you're in imposes its influence on you does not mean that your free will is destroyed. Free will can be limited like if this environment does not have education or books then your decisions on what you want to do are limited.

  • 11.27.2012 9:30 PM PDT


Posted by: Mister Donut
Everybody is born with neutrality. A clean slate. But over time, that slate is positively or negatively affected by the decisions of others. It's my belief that nobody is bad or good. They just make bad or good decisions, and ultimately are victims of circumstance and happenings that affected their brain that they had no power over.

For example, Hitler. He was born with a clean slate. But the people surrounding him helped his brain create ideas for himself. Influences. Thus, he is a victim of circumstance.

What do you think of this? Do you believe everybody is born neutral? If not, explain.
An argument can be made that Free Will could not be without being subject to circumstance.

  • 11.27.2012 9:33 PM PDT

To be human is to choose. You must choose to accept the ideas put upon you. You must choose to accept your circumstance. You must choose to allow others to change who you are. We are not sponges that absorb the local thought. Though we have ideals forced on us through childhood, personal insight can allow us to overcome these biases. Our only chains are mortality and those we put upon ourselves.

  • 11.27.2012 9:34 PM PDT
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Without The Flood, I wouldn't know what an opinion is.

The OP's explination is somewhat warped, but is still similar to the idea of determinism.

  • 11.27.2012 9:36 PM PDT

Mreh.


Posted by: catman6
you just demolished free will without bringing up free will.


How you think and act are decided by past experiences and your genetics. So is the concept of Free Will a valid one?

  • 11.27.2012 9:40 PM PDT

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Posted by: catman6
you just demolished free will without bringing up free will.

Impressive really.

  • 11.27.2012 9:41 PM PDT