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Posted by: goatman327
uh, he shouldn't have been jailed. yeah, its a dick move, but last I checked making fun of someone isn't illegal.


It counts as disorderly conduct now I guess.

  • 11.28.2012 4:28 PM PDT
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Well, here we are. I guess that it was destined to come to this.

Posted by: MrBojangles136
Posted by: Recon Number 54
Posted by: MrBojangles136
You can be jailed for that?

What a terrible justice system.
The charge(s) were disorderly conduct and aggravated menacing, to which he plead guilty (knowing and understanding the likely sentence).

I would say that he was given a completely fair shake by the justice system.
I think it's hilarious that you can be charged with anything for hurting someones feelings.

Hell, an assailant can die by making someone "reasonably feel" that their life is in danger and it is a valid and legal defense.

An adult menacing (which is the charge to which he said "I am guilty of that") a child IS a crime. It varies by locality, but here's a classic example of statute.

A person is guilty of menacing in the third degree when, by physical menace, he or she intentionally places or attempts to place another person in fear of death, imminent serious physical injury or physical injury.

So, a "responsible adult" repeatedly shouting at, intimidating, mocking and otherwise harassing/scaring a 10 year old girl? That's not freedom of expression. It would be freedom of expression if he was mocking an adult, but children are a protected class of citizen.

[Edited on 11.28.2012 4:29 PM PST]

  • 11.28.2012 4:28 PM PDT

You better close this sig when your done.

What a terrible person. He makes me sick.

  • 11.28.2012 4:28 PM PDT

Posted by: Sepian1148

Posted by: Garem
Posted by: Sepian1148

Posted by: Garem
This is horrendous, and a perfect example of America's flawed judicial system. This man committed no crime. Essentially, they jailed an innocent man.
Aggravated menacing. That is a crime, and he pleaded guilty to it.
"Aggravated menacing"? Give me a break. He made fun of someone. Happens every day in America.

If making fun of someone was a crime, every schoolchild would be in jail.
And yet we do punish schoolchildren for bullying and insulting their peers. Granted, we don't jail them. But shouldn't an adult be held to a higher standard?
The school punishes them, not the law. And why would we hold adults to a higher standard than a 16-year old?

Making fun of someone shouldn't be a crime. That's why I hate all the people that get jailed for cyberbullying.

  • 11.28.2012 4:29 PM PDT

Major props to my hommie Sheeef. He made Recon possible for me. Long time recovering emails and passwords. And it was his. lol.

Wow. What a d-bag dad he is.

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  • 11.28.2012 4:29 PM PDT

lol, who cares? The real crime is that he was jailed for bullying a little girl. While I don't condone it, I don't think people should be imprisoned for it either.

Jeez, I thought this was America, not Soviet Russia.

  • 11.28.2012 4:29 PM PDT

I'm disgusted as to how we put this guy away for this crap, yet somehow places like Westboro Baptist get away with much worse under the free speech defense. Despite being scum.

I call for the jailing of Westboro Baptist!

  • 11.28.2012 4:30 PM PDT

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Agreed.
Posted by: Recon Number 54
Posted by: MrBojangles136
You can be jailed for that?

What a terrible justice system.

The charge(s) were disorderly conduct and aggravated menacing, to which he plead guilty (knowing and understanding the likely sentence).

I would say that he was given a completely fair shake by the justice system.

  • 11.28.2012 4:30 PM PDT

How precisely is this a crime? It's not a nice thing to do but illegal seems like a stretch. Plus first amendment guarantees freedom of speech so technically he shouldn't have been charged at all. Of course that doesn't protect him from repercussions from others but I believe it would from the government.

  • 11.28.2012 4:30 PM PDT

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Posted by: CIint Beastwood
lol, who cares? The real crime is that he was jailed for bullying a little girl. While I don't condone it, I don't think people should be imprisoned for it either.

Jeez, I thought this was America, not Soviet Russia.

I kinda wish someone just gave him a good old fashioned beat down instead of jailtime.

  • 11.28.2012 4:30 PM PDT

Es ist Zeit für einige Gefahr-pay


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Posted by: Knux NY
Well, what he was doing was certainly wrong, but now where is the equality?

Nobody is going to get arrested for making fun of me, so why should someone get arrested for making fun of someone who's disabled? Are we not equals?

Harassment charges? The video said they bullied her to the point of not wanting to go to school.
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So? Yeah, it's distasteful as all hell- but not illegal.

She is just like all those other kids out there who get bullied- and they suck it up and go to school.

Again, it's distasteful as hell, but what bothers me is an over sensitive society.

  • 11.28.2012 4:31 PM PDT


Posted by: Recon Number 54
Posted by: MrBojangles136
Posted by: Recon Number 54
Posted by: MrBojangles136
You can be jailed for that?

What a terrible justice system.
The charge(s) were disorderly conduct and aggravated menacing, to which he plead guilty (knowing and understanding the likely sentence).

I would say that he was given a completely fair shake by the justice system.
I think it's hilarious that you can be charged with anything for hurting someones feelings.

Hell, an assailant can die by making someone "reasonably feel" that their life is in danger and it is a valid and legal defense.

An adult menacing (which is the charge to which he said "I am guilty of that") a child IS a crime. It varies by locality, but here's a classic example of statute.

A person is guilty of menacing in the third degree when, by physical menace, he or she intentionally places or attempts to place another person in fear of death, imminent serious physical injury or physical injury.

So, a "responsible adult" repeatedly shouting at, intimidating, mocking and otherwise harassing/scaring a 10 year old girl? That's not freedom of expression. It would be freedom of expression if he was mocking an adult, but children are a protected class of citizen.


I didn't read the article.

All I gathered from this thread is they made fun of how she walked.

Which doesn't seem criminal to me.

  • 11.28.2012 4:33 PM PDT

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Posted by: Sepian1148

Posted by: Garem
Posted by: Sepian1148

Posted by: Garem
This is horrendous, and a perfect example of America's flawed judicial system. This man committed no crime. Essentially, they jailed an innocent man.
Aggravated menacing. That is a crime, and he pleaded guilty to it.
"Aggravated menacing"? Give me a break. He made fun of someone. Happens every day in America.

If making fun of someone was a crime, every schoolchild would be in jail.
And yet we do punish schoolchildren for bullying and insulting their peers. Granted, we don't jail them. But shouldn't an adult be held to a higher standard?
The school punishes them, not the law. And why would we hold adults to a higher standard than a 16-year old?

Making fun of someone shouldn't be a crime. That's why I hate all the people that get jailed for cyberbullying.
I follow you. Personally, as Recon put it above your post, the man was in my view guilty of a crime. The crime was intentionally making a young girl, a minor, feel unsafe or uncomfortable. Whether jail time is appropriate for that crime, I am not sure. But I hope it teaches him a lesson.

  • 11.28.2012 4:33 PM PDT

Posted by: Sepian1148
I follow you. Personally, as Recon put it above your post, the man was in my view guilty of a crime. The crime was intentionally making a young girl, a minor, feel unsafe or uncomfortable. Whether jail time is appropriate for that crime, I am not sure. But I hope it teaches him a lesson.

Of course, he was a giant dick. I think we're all unanimous in that conclusion.

But what does the fact that she was a minor have anything to do with it? Crimes against minors and against adults should have equal punishments.

  • 11.28.2012 4:35 PM PDT

Es ist Zeit für einige Gefahr-pay


Posted by: Sepian1148
a young girl, a minor, feel unsafe or uncomfortable. Whether jail time is appropriate for that crime, I am not sure. But I hope it teaches him a lesson.


Seriously? C'mon people- I hate this pushover society we have become.

Yeah, it's an ass move- but jail for it?

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Well, here we are. I guess that it was destined to come to this.

If the accused considered that he was acting within his civil rights, then he had an opportunity to defend and use that reasoning as his defense in court.

Instead, he plead guilty to the charges.

All of you who say that "he was within his rights" may be right, you may be wrong, but it doesn't matter. He chose his course of action (both in and out of court) and offered no defense. He himself decided that his actions were undefendable.

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  • 11.28.2012 4:35 PM PDT

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Ot: he should be in jail for 6 months thats mean.
Posted by: Recon Number 54
eh?

  • 11.28.2012 4:36 PM PDT

Recon Number 54 -
If they are still looking, then while holding the snarl, I let drool start to drip from my mouth, I stand, curl my fingers into claws and with a hunched over crouch, I then make slow and deliberate steps towards them. When I get close enough, I let them hear my agonized and gasping growls and then, if they continue to stare, when I get within arm's reach? I kiss them on the nose, and run away giggling.

One month is not enough.

Perhaps they should give him a lobotomy to sweeten the deal.

  • 11.28.2012 4:37 PM PDT

ooga booga boooh

I don't agree with a jail sentence.

Look, I've worked with mentally challenged children before (or whichever politically correct term you prefer to choose from), and I don't believe jail time is the proper course of action. An educational course on humanism and community service having to work with special needs/mentally challenged children would have done more justice here.

Jail are needed, IMO, for hardened, truly law breaking citizens. Not things like this. This is, after all, just an opinion. What he did was wrong, for sure, but jail? Naw.

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Wow...that's insensitive at best...
10 months seems about right, but I think he should also speak to the poor girl. See things from her perspective.

No. If he could this wouldn't have happened. This girl doesn't need him coming in and throwing some court appointed bull-blam!- lie of an apology at her.

He actually already gave an "official apology", but perhaps dragging him back into her life isn't the best plan. Still, prison doesn't magically solve crime - he needs to understand why what he did was wrong. Basically he needs to, in some way, feel guilty. Prison alone cannot achieve that in the vast majority of cases.

  • 11.28.2012 4:38 PM PDT

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Posted by: Garem
Posted by: Sepian1148
I follow you. Personally, as Recon put it above your post, the man was in my view guilty of a crime. The crime was intentionally making a young girl, a minor, feel unsafe or uncomfortable. Whether jail time is appropriate for that crime, I am not sure. But I hope it teaches him a lesson.

Of course, he was a giant dick. I think we're all unanimous in that conclusion.

But what does the fact that she was a minor have anything to do with it? Crimes against minors and against adults should have equal punishments.
I disagree. Minors, do not have the rights and responsibilities of full citizens yet. This means, by law, they are a separate class of citizen. And minors do not have the ability to defend themselves and others as easily as those of us with the age of majority do.

  • 11.28.2012 4:39 PM PDT

Posted by: Sepian1148

Posted by: Garem
Posted by: Sepian1148
I follow you. Personally, as Recon put it above your post, the man was in my view guilty of a crime. The crime was intentionally making a young girl, a minor, feel unsafe or uncomfortable. Whether jail time is appropriate for that crime, I am not sure. But I hope it teaches him a lesson.

Of course, he was a giant dick. I think we're all unanimous in that conclusion.

But what does the fact that she was a minor have anything to do with it? Crimes against minors and against adults should have equal punishments.
I disagree. Minors, do not have the rights and responsibilities of full citizens yet. This means, by law, they are a separate class of citizen. And minors do not have the ability to defend themselves and others as easily as those of us with the age of majority do.

With that logic, crimes against the elderly and crippled people should be punished more harshly.

  • 11.28.2012 4:43 PM PDT


Posted by: MrBojangles136

Posted by: Recon Number 54
Posted by: MrBojangles136
Posted by: Recon Number 54
Posted by: MrBojangles136
You can be jailed for that?

What a terrible justice system.
The charge(s) were disorderly conduct and aggravated menacing, to which he plead guilty (knowing and understanding the likely sentence).

I would say that he was given a completely fair shake by the justice system.
I think it's hilarious that you can be charged with anything for hurting someones feelings.

Hell, an assailant can die by making someone "reasonably feel" that their life is in danger and it is a valid and legal defense.

An adult menacing (which is the charge to which he said "I am guilty of that") a child IS a crime. It varies by locality, but here's a classic example of statute.

A person is guilty of menacing in the third degree when, by physical menace, he or she intentionally places or attempts to place another person in fear of death, imminent serious physical injury or physical injury.

So, a "responsible adult" repeatedly shouting at, intimidating, mocking and otherwise harassing/scaring a 10 year old girl? That's not freedom of expression. It would be freedom of expression if he was mocking an adult, but children are a protected class of citizen.


I didn't read the article.

All I gathered from this thread is they made fun of how she walked.

Which doesn't seem criminal to me.


"I didn't read the article, but I am going to make judgements on what happened anyway".

Would it kill you to read an article before arguing about what happened in it?

  • 11.28.2012 4:47 PM PDT

Posted by: Nessy

The bungie.net community is the halo PC community that is renowned for being unbelieveably sucky.

The public shaming on the local news is punishment enough. He didn't do anything illegal, just incredibly insensitive and mean. He's an idiot for pleading guilty. His actions are protected speech.

  • 11.28.2012 4:48 PM PDT