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Subject: I totally called all this hate for Halo 4

TRU7H. CARNAGE. BUNGIE


Posted by: ANCIENTZOIDIAN
We all called it.

  • 11.28.2012 11:40 PM PDT


Posted by: TH3_AV3NG3R

Posted by: DarkJet7

Posted by: TH3_AV3NG3R

And what did vannila reach ship with? oh right:

bloom
an invincibility button along with every other terribly unblanced AA
the cage and several other terrible forge maps
butchered remakes of great maps
the arena
one weapon sandbox
two vehicle sandbox
a ranking system that promotes idling (i've almost never seen an idler in halo 4)
no bleedthrough
reduced movement speed and jump height

Where do you buy your rose tinted glasses?

What did Halo 4 ship with?
Crappy forge
No FF
unbalanced AA
custom loadouts
random weapons
random weapon drops
rushed maps
butchered custom games
Bloom
No ranking system
A ranking system that also promotes idling(I have seen them)
1 remake that doesn't play well with the new playstyle and rushed maps
A heavier aim assist
lag compensation that is worse than Reach's
no campaign theater mode
A crappy UI
having to play the game to unloack emblems
instant respawns
Not sure where you were going with the vehicles part since they are pretty much the same but alas the vehicles are weaker in Halo 4.
I could go on if you want me to. Do you?

It isn't rose tinted anything.


This.

If 343 learned how to accept constructive criticism and fixed these things then it would be a significantly better game I could also add a few things to this list.

  • 11.29.2012 12:02 AM PDT

For me, Halo: Reach was only good for Forge and Customs. Halo 4 has the best campaign and matchmaking by far, and Spartan Ops beats Reach firefight, but not ODST firefight.

  • 11.29.2012 12:06 AM PDT

A competitive players main goal is to win.
A casuals main goal is to have fun regardless of whether that results in a win or loss.
It has nothing to do with individual skill or knowledge, it has to do with the reason you play.


Posted by: ANCIENTZOIDIAN
We all called it.

  • 11.29.2012 12:06 AM PDT

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Bungie.... I've missed you and your wonderful forums. I am so sorry I strayed away. I promise it will not happen again and IMO no one will ever and could ever make a halo game like you. No one could make GAMES like you.

I was wrong!

[Edited on 11.29.2012 12:57 AM PST]

  • 11.29.2012 12:49 AM PDT

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Pfhor Eternity

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We all thought Halo 3 was better than Halo 2, we all though Halo Reach was better than Halo 3, we all thought Halo 4 was better than Reach.

/thread

  • 11.29.2012 12:53 AM PDT

Remember Elk

I started hating on it about quarter of a year after reveal.

  • 11.29.2012 12:55 AM PDT

Take me into your heart! Accept me as your savior! Nail me to the -blam!- cross, and let me be reborn!

lol

  • 11.29.2012 12:57 AM PDT

I say that reach and halo 4 are almost equally as bad, but that only goes for multiplayer.

  • 11.29.2012 1:00 AM PDT

If you see this post in your topic I'm sorry to tell you but your topic is dying.


Posted by: brmd sloop1OO1
It happens every time now a new game comes out.
Yes it does.

  • 11.29.2012 1:48 AM PDT

So, you want to hear a story eh? One about treasure hunters? Have I got a story for you!

New game: X
Your opinion before release: People will hate it
Conclusion: Medal

Example.

Watch Dogs
People will hate it
Get medals

  • 11.29.2012 1:56 AM PDT

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Posted by: TH3_AV3NG3R
Crappy forge


Not crap at all. I've been able to do more with Halo 4's Forge than I have with Reach's.

No FF

Not an issue. As long as Halo has Armour Abilities, FF can never be good.

unbalanced AA

lolnope.

custom loadouts

A complete non-issue...

rushed maps

Do explain how these maps were 'rushed'. They were created entirely seperately by Certain Affinity...

butchered custom games

Removal of some options =/= "butchered"

Bloom

On automatic weapons and is barely even noticable on the DMR.

No ranking system

Not an issue, and is even being patched in within the next few months.

A ranking system that also promotes idling(I have seen them)

Because this was never an issue in the previous games...

1 remake that doesn't play well with the new playstyle and rushed maps

See previous 'rushed maps' comment.

no campaign theater mode

Faced numerous problems during implementation and had to be taken out, will appear at some point in the future.

A crappy UI

While it wasn't as streamlined and simple as Reach's, it's still easy to navigate. Hardly "crappy" at all...

having to play the game to unloack emblems

Another complete non-issue...

the vehicles are weaker in Halo 4.

No they aren't... The Banshee in Reach had 330 health points, the Banshee in Halo 4 has 440. The other vehicles, especially the Warthog, has buffed health. Barely anybody takes vehicles head-on with a DMR anymore because the vehicles have all been buffed...

I could go on if you want me to. Do you?

You make few, if any actually valid points. So do please continue.

  • 11.29.2012 2:07 AM PDT

Just dance 4- Lindsey Stirling

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Posted by: ANCIENTZOIDIAN
We all called it.

  • 11.29.2012 2:12 AM PDT

If you can read this, that means I'm not a Shaolin monk...

yet.

What. Every poll I've seen shows Floodians like Halo 4, but whatevr

  • 11.29.2012 3:25 AM PDT

Pass the controller bro

What hate?

  • 11.29.2012 3:28 AM PDT
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Posted by: ANCIENTZOIDIAN
We all called it.

  • 11.29.2012 3:36 AM PDT

Posted by: BoyceKRP
duckingd
drink
seriously
me bell sean ressea ellio tand i
-blam!-img party. totallt waasted . ph my god.
i called ashy;n, i dnno if that was a good ideo. i'ma sleep with her or sometning, fujuuuck

I remember when people used to despise Halo 3

  • 11.29.2012 3:40 AM PDT
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Posted by: Black Eagle X99
Yet there was no large outcry against Halo 3. Reach was way worse than anything ever seen reaction wise, Halo 4 is its own category. At least reach threads dominating the reach forum made sense. It takes a lot of anger to dominate the off topic forum.

  • 11.29.2012 3:41 AM PDT

"You build on failure. You use it as a stepping stone. Close the door on the past. You don't try to forget the mistakes, but you don't dwell on it. You don't let it have any of your energy, or any of your time, or any of your space." -Johnny Cash

Almost everyone called it. Halo 4 was most likely going to be different than the original trilogy, so it's only logical that people would hate on it.

  • 11.29.2012 3:43 AM PDT

"I don't mean to sound bitter, cold or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out"
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Posted by: Black Eagle X99
Yet there was no large outcry against Halo 3. Reach was way worse than anything ever seen reaction wise, Halo 4 is its own category. At least reach threads dominating the reach forum made sense. It takes a lot of anger to dominate the off topic forum.
How do those rose-colored glasses fit?

Let's turn back the clock and see what people were saying on this exact date back in 2007:

"Dear Bungie why did you guys make two awesome games then fallow up with a -blam!- one i just dont get it..... and everyone one says Halo 3 takes more skill LOL the only gametype in halo 3 that takes real skill is MLG"

" I remember when I used to play Halo all day and night. Now I'm lucky to sit through 3 games without getting bored."

"I'm not whining, I just want the Game I paid for, Halo 3, not Halo 2.5:the messed up edition, I really can't believe that after all the rigerous testing Bungie applied, they let the game ship with so many problems, wich I will not name or list"

"I'm an avid Halo player. Been playing' since the original Halo launched alongside the black beast. But I'm throughly disappointed with halo 3..... "

"it is no use to play team slayer always stupid players who don't understand the word teamwork they are running into four players alone -_-"

And that's just what I found after 5 minutes of searching through one day's worth of posts. So, as I said, take off the rose-colored glasses and realize that the complaints are nothing new, which is also why they are so predictable.


This. Every. -blam!-. Time.

I remember from shortly after H3's release seeing video rants from Cursed Lemon telling us all to "Plaaaaaay Shadooooowwwwwruuuuuuunnnnnnn!" in a really creepy voice or people mocking up diagrams that "explained" how terrible the BR spread was and how it ruined competitive Halo.

Every new Halo game garners its share of hate from bitter nerds who still can't stop playing it. The hate for H4 is nothing new and isn't as bad as the hate there was for Reach.

  • 11.29.2012 3:48 AM PDT

Quick as a razor, sharp as a bullet.

I haven't actually seen anyone saying Reach is better. IMO, 4 has the best Campaign since 2 and the best MP since 3 (which is my favourite overall MP and game experience of all time).

  • 11.29.2012 4:19 AM PDT

@ajw.

When someone says Bloom is a problem in Halo 4, you know he's already scraping the bottom of the barrel for more reasons to whine.

  • 11.29.2012 4:35 AM PDT
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Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.

Halo # is the worst Halo ever! How did 343 start failing so quickly? I want something Halo #-1 tier again, not this soulless CoD clone with the Halo brand slapped on top!

  • 11.29.2012 4:41 AM PDT

I was under the impression that most people love Halo 4.

  • 11.29.2012 4:56 AM PDT

Quick as a razor, sharp as a bullet.

Sorry about this, but some valid points are raised.

Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: TH3_AV3NG3R
Crappy forge

Not crap at all. I've been able to do more with Halo 4's Forge than I have with Reach's.

Once again, we have the distinct lack of a flat, open area for forging. Once again, the developer's preset terrain, geometry, topography, etc. determines what can be forged, and what open space we have is tiny compared with Forge World's on all maps except Impact.

Oh, and the limited budget means that one arena-style map I tried to build has pretty much been cut in half because I ran out of building blocks halfway through.

rushed maps
Do explain how these maps were 'rushed'. They were created entirely seperately by Certain Affinity...

The Forge maps, maybe. Not the main MP (sorry, 'War Games' maps).

butchered custom games
Removal of some options =/= "butchered"

Right. I haven't tinkered myself yet, but I'm pretty sure the options are more limited than Reach's. You can't even give zombies different weapons for Infection anymore. Whilst I commend the effort to revitalise the game mode, the ability to leave zombies as normal Spartan-IVs with different weapons should have been in.

No ranking system
Not an issue, and is even being patched in within the next few months.

It's an issue if I get matched against another 47 who's actually much better than me and has only had the game a few days.

no campaign theater mode
Faced numerous problems during implementation and had to be taken out, will appear at some point in the future.

I'd have suggested to 343 that they remove the -blam!- QTEs, then. They don't fit in the game anyway.

having to play the game to unloack emblems
Another complete non-issue...

Not really. Having to unlock things that were available to everyone straight off the bat in previous games is absurd, because they have to wait to choose what represents them, without being able to represent themselves as they want immediately.

Worse, they took out an arseton of emblems that people loved including goddamn numbers. I can only hope they'll be reinstated in a patch or with DLC.

Barely anybody takes vehicles head-on with a DMR anymore because the vehicles have all been buffed...
No, but weapons feel more powerful, so people are more inclined to at least take pot-shots: tell me what happens when a Banshee flies about on Exile and four or five of the enemy team have it in their sites. They will pour hot lead (or plasma or hard light) on that mother-blam!- until it explodes.

[Edited on 11.29.2012 5:07 AM PST]

  • 11.29.2012 5:07 AM PDT

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