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Subject: Who the Master Chief really is (MAJOR SPOILERS FOR H4 CAMPAIGN, BOOKS)

"I will show you how a true Prussian officer fights!"

"And i will show you where the iron crosses grow..."

- "Cross of Iron"

Yeah sorry but, chief is chief to me, he isn't some stupid forerunner from the expanded universe. I am going to get bashed horribly for this but that's just my opinion. I am sure Bungie intended him to be just that as well.

  • 11.29.2012 5:34 PM PDT
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I'm completely lost on which side I should take.

Ur-Didact seems like the obvious culprit for using the Composer but Bornstellar heard from the Primordial and may have even believed himself to be the original.

Nonetheless, that sounds like it would turn out great.

  • 11.29.2012 6:02 PM PDT

Yeah I agree he might have geas maybe even an imprint but if he does its probably an ancient human soldier or forerunner soldier.

  • 11.29.2012 6:03 PM PDT

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Posted by: car15

Posted by: Pokezilla Linked
Am I the only one who would be incredibly pissed and disappointed if this were true? I'd stop reading the books, actually. I wouldn't give a -blam!- about the canon anymore.

You serious? This would be awesome. It would finally give relevance to 343GS's weird comments in the first game.


Lol, I remember someone saying a few months back that the Chief would travel back in time in Halo 4. Pretty funny, that.

Posted by: agent wash282
Yeah I agree he might have geas maybe even an imprint but if he does its probably an ancient human soldier or forerunner soldier.


Agreed. But I think it'd most likely be a human. An important one, like Riser or Vinnerva or something. I don't think a Forerunner has had itself imprinted on a 'lesser being' before though, I imagine they'd find it insulting.

  • 11.30.2012 1:04 AM PDT

Yeah, thought this myself as soon as John heard the Didact's voice in Shutdown and Cortana didn't.

  • 11.30.2012 2:27 PM PDT
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This is an awesome theory, but there's just one problem. Several of the pieces of evidence provided originate from Combat Evolved. I have a hard time believing Bungie partially came up with this over eleven years ago.

  • 11.30.2012 8:05 PM PDT


Posted by: Wolverfrog
Yeah, thought this myself as soon as John heard the Didact's voice in Shutdown and Cortana didn't.


Having just played that level again, he doesn't sound like Bornstellar, the way he was openly hostile, taunting not only Chief but all of humanity, threatening to compose him, saying he's a fool, and already knowing that the Composer was on Halo 03.

It was a nice thought, but nothing suggests that was Born's consciousness.

  • 11.30.2012 8:36 PM PDT

"So- So this means Im just going to be miserable for the rest of time?!"

"No. This means that you have to live life to the fullest. You have one life, live it well. Make sure you die without regrets. Get a new life, new mate, new family. You, out of all people, don't deserve a terrible fate of misery like that. Having nothing to look forward to is good. It makes sure you want to keep on going. Living is a right, not a privilege."

Dude.

I'm immaturewalrus.

I'm the guy who wrote that.

I'm so happy that ended up here.

I can provide proof if you want?

  • 11.30.2012 10:07 PM PDT

"So- So this means Im just going to be miserable for the rest of time?!"

"No. This means that you have to live life to the fullest. You have one life, live it well. Make sure you die without regrets. Get a new life, new mate, new family. You, out of all people, don't deserve a terrible fate of misery like that. Having nothing to look forward to is good. It makes sure you want to keep on going. Living is a right, not a privilege."

Well, never mind that, i'll actually contribute to this thread.

I mistook many times the difference between a geas and a personality imprint. So don't be surprised if some of it doesnt make sense.

Maybe in Halo 5, or Halo 6, the Didact will realize that Chief has the geas of Bornstellar in him, which might give him another reason to hate him. At the end of Silentium, I have a feeling it might end with the Ur-Didact hating Bornstellar, maybe for taking his place? If it doesnt end that way, then Halo 5-6 might end with the Didact coming to his senses.

I have no idea if either of these will happen, its just speculation.

  • 11.30.2012 10:26 PM PDT

What a waste....

Makes a surprising amount of sense. I'll have to read Silentium, the Thursday War, and of course play H5/6 before I know, but I think this guy is on to something.

  • 11.30.2012 11:01 PM PDT

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But... He was abducted into the UNSC program!

  • 11.30.2012 11:26 PM PDT

"So- So this means Im just going to be miserable for the rest of time?!"

"No. This means that you have to live life to the fullest. You have one life, live it well. Make sure you die without regrets. Get a new life, new mate, new family. You, out of all people, don't deserve a terrible fate of misery like that. Having nothing to look forward to is good. It makes sure you want to keep on going. Living is a right, not a privilege."


Posted by: Cowgoesmoo
But... He was abducted into the UNSC program!

And? Chief isn't Bornstellar organically, I'm saying Bornstellars geas(or soul) was passed down from generation to generation all the way to chief. Chief will eventually start hearing Bornstellar start talking in his head.

  • 12.01.2012 12:08 AM PDT

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Posted by: XB Fighter
Dude.

I'm immaturewalrus.

I'm the guy who wrote that.

I'm so happy that ended up here.

I can provide proof if you want?


OP here. I believe you. Just wanted to share it, since you hadn't already posted it here. I'll remove the thread if you like.

EDIT: I hope your fourth line isn't sarcasm.

[Edited on 12.01.2012 12:25 AM PST]

  • 12.01.2012 12:22 AM PDT

"So- So this means Im just going to be miserable for the rest of time?!"

"No. This means that you have to live life to the fullest. You have one life, live it well. Make sure you die without regrets. Get a new life, new mate, new family. You, out of all people, don't deserve a terrible fate of misery like that. Having nothing to look forward to is good. It makes sure you want to keep on going. Living is a right, not a privilege."


Posted by: Jump Into Hell

Posted by: XB Fighter
Dude.

I'm immaturewalrus.

I'm the guy who wrote that.

I'm so happy that ended up here.

I can provide proof if you want?


OP here. I believe you. Just wanted to share it, since you hadn't already posted it here. I'll remove the thread if you like.

EDIT: I hope your fourth line isn't sarcasm.

You kidding? I'm almost honored. I'm on B.net all the time, even on my phone. I never expected it to end up here, its a very pleasant surprise, thank you. I'm glad you liked my theory :)

  • 12.01.2012 12:48 AM PDT

"Moooooooo"
-Ghost cow


Posted by: XB Fighter

Posted by: Jump Into Hell

Posted by: XB Fighter
Dude.

I'm immaturewalrus.

I'm the guy who wrote that.

I'm so happy that ended up here.

I can provide proof if you want?


OP here. I believe you. Just wanted to share it, since you hadn't already posted it here. I'll remove the thread if you like.

EDIT: I hope your fourth line isn't sarcasm.

You kidding? I'm almost honored. I'm on B.net all the time, even on my phone. I never expected it to end up here, its a very pleasant surprise, thank you. I'm glad you liked my theory :)


Thanks a lot man, you're awesome. Great theory too.

  • 12.01.2012 6:36 AM PDT
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Posted by: Pokezilla Linked
Am I the only one who would be incredibly pissed and disappointed if this were true? I'd stop reading the books, actually. I wouldn't give a -blam!- about the canon anymore.

This, also, I think the theory is wrong anyway, for multiple reasons already pointed out in the thread that I don't feel like retyping.

One thing I will say though, is that I think it's obvious Chief had/has a geas, hence his unnatural 'luck' throughout the games that is always mentioned but never explained. Also, weren't certain AI's supposed to be able to detect a geas? Perhaps Chakkas/Spark knew Chief had a geas and it just contained some information aout when the Halo's were originally fired. It's possible that Chief has a Forerunner geas, but not Bornstellar's.

[Edited on 12.01.2012 6:42 AM PST]

  • 12.01.2012 6:39 AM PDT

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Posted by: ajw34307
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Bornstellar Didact was the Halo 4 Didact


Nope. It's the Ur-Didact in Halo 4, the Ur-Didact's features became hideous in the Terminals where he attempts to mutate himself into a form that is invulnerable to Flood infection but it fails, this happens after his brevet-mutation on Bornstellar.

Bornstellar-Didact is the one who fires the Rings, the Terminals make it abundantly clear that it's the Ur-Didact in Halo 4 and common sense essentially dictates it's him from his dialogue in the game.


What timestamps the event seen in that Halo 4 terminal after Bornstellar's brevet-mutation?

  • 12.02.2012 9:43 AM PDT
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Deva Path


Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

re-word that question please.

  • 12.02.2012 10:26 AM PDT

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Posted by: StealthSlasher2

Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: Alfdog
Bornstellar Didact was the Halo 4 Didact


Nope. It's the Ur-Didact in Halo 4, the Ur-Didact's features became hideous in the Terminals where he attempts to mutate himself into a form that is invulnerable to Flood infection but it fails, this happens after his brevet-mutation on Bornstellar.

Bornstellar-Didact is the one who fires the Rings, the Terminals make it abundantly clear that it's the Ur-Didact in Halo 4 and common sense essentially dictates it's him from his dialogue in the game.


What timestamps the event seen in that Halo 4 terminal after Bornstellar's brevet-mutation?


The fact that he turns to the Composer as his final option, thus being after Mendicant Bias' betrayal. The Bornstellar-Didact spends his time travelling around the galaxy helping the Librarian index races according to Silentium's description:

the Bornstellar Didact, who accompanies the Librarian as she preserves specimens against the dire possibility of Halo extermination.

Silentium also sets up a conflict between the Ur-Didact and the Librarian, which we see come to fruition in Halo 4.

Only the Ur-Didact and the Librarian -- husband and wife pushed into desperate conflict -- hold the keys to a solution.

Librarian's "key" to this solution is humanity, nurturing them to attain the Mantle. The Ur-Didact's "key" is the Composer, using it on humanity to turn them into his Promethean-Knights.

This is therefore set after Bornstellar's brevet mutation, since it's only after the meeting with the Juridicals that this solution seems to be discussed.

  • 12.02.2012 10:43 AM PDT
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I do not want to stop asking. I do not ask to stop wanting.

YES!

Thank you! Finally somebody who agrees with me!

  • 12.02.2012 1:32 PM PDT

Citizens of Me! The cruelty of the old Pharaoh is a thing of the past. Let a whole new wave of cruelty wash over this lazy land.

Hear the word of Pharaoh. Build unto me a statue of ridiculous proportion. One billion cubits in height......that I might be remembered for all eternity!

And be quick about it!

Posted by: GrandmasterNinja
Holy -blam!-! I think this is it, this guy is calling it right now, and I'm pretty sure he's right.
This.

But I'm also thinking, is this plot to complex, to cool to be true?

  • 12.03.2012 1:35 AM PDT
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I'd totally believe that if it wasn't already extremely apparent that Master Chief is in the Twilight Zone and will realize at the end of Halo 6 that Halo 4-6 were just the journey of his soul going to the afterlife and that the only true Halo games were Ce - ODST (Reach was obviously Noble 6's childhood fantasy in which he got many facts wrong.)

[Edited on 12.03.2012 3:32 PM PST]

  • 12.03.2012 3:31 PM PDT

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