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Subject: Is a Fist a Deadly Weapon?

I was just reading another forum about a -blam!- that was beaten by her sister's brother and linked to it was a video, apparently they cannot charge the man with attempted murder because his fists "aren't considered a deadly weapon." I, for one, personally think that someone's fist can be used as a weapon and can kill someone, and therefore, is a deadly weapon.
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Should the man be charged for attempted murder?

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  • 11.29.2012 8:34 AM PDT

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Well you can make somebody dead with them so technically yes.

You can make anything a deadly weapon if you try hard enough.

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  • 11.29.2012 8:34 AM PDT

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Fairness is only possible within the limited powers of man. Elsewhere, there is only chance.

Thus I refute thee.

They are great weapons. An even greater one is the brain.

  • 11.29.2012 8:35 AM PDT
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I've never heard such a thing.

  • 11.29.2012 8:35 AM PDT

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What qualifies as a deadly weapon?

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Just because it can kill doesn't mean it is a deadly weapon. You can kill a person with pretty much anything.

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Posted by: xH u 7V tt 3 R
can be used as a weapon and can kill someone, and therefore, is a deadly weapon.
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So basically, everything is a deadly weapon?

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Posted by: Qbix89
Talking about Sweden is an ultrabannable offense.

Posted by: Achronos
Too bad being completely and utterly wrong isn't a bannable offense.

A single punch can kill.

You guys have stupid laws.

  • 11.29.2012 8:35 AM PDT

My mother was once on a jury that convicted someone for assault with a deadly weapon against someone who threatened someone with a stick.

Pretty much anything is a deadly weapon.

  • 11.29.2012 8:36 AM PDT

Posted by: Changsta inc
Racism isn't wrong if it's funny.

If you're a registered black belt, the U.S. (specifically California) considers all of your extremities to be deadly weapons if you ever hit somebody with them.

inb4 'my dick is a weapon', yaddy, yaddy, yadda.

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  • 11.29.2012 8:38 AM PDT


Posted by: Rami730

Posted by: xH u 7V tt 3 R
can be used as a weapon and can kill someone, and therefore, is a deadly weapon.
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So basically, everything is a deadly weapon?

Well, I don't believe you could kill someone with say, a small strand of string? So no, not everything is.

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Posted by: Qbix89
Talking about Sweden is an ultrabannable offense.

Posted by: Achronos
Too bad being completely and utterly wrong isn't a bannable offense.

Posted by: xH u 7V tt 3 R
Posted by: Rami730
Posted by: xH u 7V tt 3 R
can be used as a weapon and can kill someone, and therefore, is a deadly weapon.
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So basically, everything is a deadly weapon?

Well, I don't believe you could kill someone with say, a small strand of string? So no, not everything is.
You can choke someone with it.

How are fists not deadly, though?

  • 11.29.2012 8:40 AM PDT


Posted by: Garshne
Posted by: xH u 7V tt 3 R
Posted by: Rami730
Posted by: xH u 7V tt 3 R
can be used as a weapon and can kill someone, and therefore, is a deadly weapon.
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So basically, everything is a deadly weapon?

Well, I don't believe you could kill someone with say, a small strand of string? So no, not everything is.
You can choke someone with it.

How are fists not deadly, though?

I don't believe I said they weren't. I believe they are a deadly weapon.
And the reason I believe a piece of string is not a weapon is more because of its impracticality.
If you have your fists, and a string next to you, I think I'd use my fists.

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Well, here we are. I guess that it was destined to come to this.

Posted by: Nannerpus
If you're a registered black belt, the U.S. (specifically California) considers all of your extremities to be deadly weapons if you ever hit somebody with them.

inb4 'my dick is a weapon', yaddy, yaddy, yadda.

Correct. Martial arts training, professional fighters, and other individuals who routinely engage in personal physical combat can be determined (usually after the fact) that they and their body were "more capable and more likely to cause death" than an average citizen.

In other words, all adults are expected to have a clear understanding of how much they physically outclass another and that difference can result (in the case of a criminal act) in higher charges (aggravated assault -v- assault) or a tougher sentence (look for key words such as "wanton").

UFC fighters, pro atheletes, and just plain big dudes are expected to know that they are more dangerous than average and are expected to show a higher level of restraint and caution.

Just like an average man is more likely to be charged with assault for punching a woman than if he were to punch another average man, or if the woman were to punch him.

There is an overall expectation of restraint and responsibility and it's not ALL equal. A punch isn't necessarily equal to all other punches. Just ask yourself, would you rather take a roundhouse from your great-aunt Nan on the chin or one from Mike Tyson?

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Yes. It's not a gun or knife, but you can still harm/kill someone with them.

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  • 11.29.2012 8:49 AM PDT

I think if you actually do end up killing someone with your fists you were intending to murder them anyway.

Think about it: Punching to the body takes a lot of force in order to cause lethal damage through either cracking ribs or bruising the liver or similar. Punching to the head is difficult because the head is hard, and therefore difficult to crack.

I mean, you can make a case for brain damage from lighter hits to the jaw transferring to the brain, but if you're fighting like that, it's probably either out of self-defense, or with intent to hurt someone if you're focusing that much on the fight. An angry single punch to someone is not attempted murder, but repeatedly punching them many times in the face hard enough to kill them should at LEAST be considered a plausible case for murder. Same with any other handwork anywhere on the body.

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They can be a deadly weapon, but they usually aren't used with the intent to kill.

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Posted by: Qbix89
Talking about Sweden is an ultrabannable offense.

Posted by: Achronos
Too bad being completely and utterly wrong isn't a bannable offense.

Posted by: A Dumb Door
I think if you actually do end up killing someone with your fists you were intending to murder them anyway.

Think about it: Punching to the body takes a lot of force in order to cause lethal damage through either cracking ribs or bruising the liver or similar. Punching to the head is difficult because the head is hard, and therefore difficult to crack.

I mean, you can make a case for brain damage from lighter hits to the jaw transferring to the brain, but if you're fighting like that, it's probably either out of self-defense, or with intent to hurt someone if you're focusing that much on the fight. An angry single punch to someone is not attempted murder, but repeatedly punching them many times in the face hard enough to kill them should at LEAST be considered a plausible case for murder. Same with any other handwork anywhere on the body.
The law in Australia is different.

If you attack someone and they die, it's murder.

If you shove someone and they crack their head open on a hard object and die, it's murder.

[Edited on 11.29.2012 8:54 AM PST]

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Posted by: A Dumb Door
I think if you actually do end up killing someone with your fists you were intending to murder them anyway.

Think about it: Punching to the body takes a lot of force in order to cause lethal damage through either cracking ribs or bruising the liver or similar. Punching to the head is difficult because the head is hard, and therefore difficult to crack.

I mean, you can make a case for brain damage from lighter hits to the jaw transferring to the brain, but if you're fighting like that, it's probably either out of self-defense, or with intent to hurt someone if you're focusing that much on the fight. An angry single punch to someone is not attempted murder, but repeatedly punching them many times in the face hard enough to kill them should at LEAST be considered a plausible case for murder. Same with any other handwork anywhere on the body.

Well, click on the article and view the pictures and video for your self. It looks like attempted murder to me and they can't charge him because he apparently didn't use a weapon

lol

  • 11.29.2012 8:55 AM PDT

Posted by: Garshne
Posted by: A Dumb Door
I think if you actually do end up killing someone with your fists you were intending to murder them anyway.

Think about it: Punching to the body takes a lot of force in order to cause lethal damage through either cracking ribs or bruising the liver or similar. Punching to the head is difficult because the head is hard, and therefore difficult to crack.

I mean, you can make a case for brain damage from lighter hits to the jaw transferring to the brain, but if you're fighting like that, it's probably either out of self-defense, or with intent to hurt someone if you're focusing that much on the fight. An angry single punch to someone is not attempted murder, but repeatedly punching them many times in the face hard enough to kill them should at LEAST be considered a plausible case for murder. Same with any other handwork anywhere on the body.
The law in Australia is different.

If you attack someone and they die, it's murder.

If you shove someone and they crack their head open on a hard object and die, it's murder.
Eh, there's flaws and the like in that as well. Accidents do happen. I do not believe in punishing unintentional ignorance and accidents as much as I do planned crimes and willful ignorance.

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You can kill with your fists easily, actually, scratch that, your hands.

  • 11.29.2012 9:01 AM PDT