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Subject: Your Respect for Bungie

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Posted by: Achronos
You imply a level of control over Halo: Reach matchmaking that we no longer have. Or, in your vernacular, it isn't our shiznit anymore.


Active 9/1/11, Heroic 12/25/12

I can't think of any time when I lost respect to Bungie. Everyone is entitled to their opinion of Bungie's games, but when one compares them to other first person shooters on the market there's no argument that they're well-developed. The campaign in many of today's shooters are laughable in comparison. Enemies are cardboard cut-outs of each other and the gameplay rarely strays from a game of Duck Hunt.

Bungie's games are only half the reason they're awesome developers. Straight from their foundation page:We are fortunate.

As part of the Bungie team, we have all had the unique opportunity to do something we love for the enjoyment of ourselves and for our fans.

Along the way, through partnerships with great organizations like the Make-A-Wish Foundation and Child's Play, and as part of generous community efforts like "Ganbare Nippon", "Fight the Flood" and "Be a Hero", we have also had the unique opportunity to help give something back.

Now that we're an independent company, we can do even more. We have yet another reason to feel good about working at Bungie, and another way to give back. We created the Bungie Foundation with a clear goal:

To reduce distress and suffering of children.
This is no small endeavor, but together we believe we can make a difference.
What other developer has helped out so people? When I read one of their foundation updates it really hit me that they're not doing this for publicity or looking good to their customers, they really believe in these programs. Simple things like the Mail Sack and the employees posting in the forums separates Bungie from average video game developers too. Respect is what keeps their community coming back to this site.



  • 11.29.2012 1:28 PM PDT

I believe every employee at that studio worked really hard to create a fantastic game. I have faith in every employee there, but with Reach, the sum of the parts were way under the whole. I don't know who's to blame for that, but if Bungie's leadership is sound, the game will always be great.

  • 11.29.2012 1:30 PM PDT

Posted by: x Foman123 x

Posted by: TH3_AV3NG3R
What house has a rocket pod, has legs, and has a long narrow barrel that probably shoots something powerful?

Sounds like you're describing the lower half of my body, actually.


Posted by: RigZ Boi
Please don't even get me started on how the let down the Halo community with how they ignored us post-launch.

What are you talking about? They gave us playlists that were needed and gave us back alpha zombies.

Wait you are talking about a TU? If memory serves me right, there was a Bungie weekly update by Urk I believe, who said they weren't allowed to change the game or something like that. I bet it has something to do with the contract that was with Microsoft and MS not allowing them to do anything with the game besides make playlists for it.

Edit: To me it just doesn't make sense that they wouldn't include any TU to a game when they were doing it all the time. In fact why would they add matchmaking playlist only and say "-blam!- TU!"

[Edited on 11.29.2012 1:42 PM PST]

  • 11.29.2012 1:33 PM PDT

I acknowledge my user name is stupid. However, I promise I'm not.

Disclaimer: The latter is a lie.

>implying that because they added Alpha Zombies they were constantly listening to the community

Things the vocal community asked for but was ignored: Bloom, armour lock, terrible maps for The Arena etc.

Simmer down, sailor.

Posted by: TH3_AV3NG3R

Posted by: RigZ Boi
Please don't even get me started on how the let down the Halo community with how they ignored us post-launch.

What are you talking about? They gave us playlists that were needed and gave us back alpha zombies.

Wait you are talking about a TU? If memory serves me right, there was a Bungie weekly update by Urk I believe, who said they weren't allowed to change the game or something like that. I bet it has something to do with the contract that was with Microsoft and MS not allowing them to do anything with the game besides make playlists for it.

Edit: To me it just doesn't make sense that they wouldn't include any TU to a game when they were doing it all the time. In fact why would they add matchmaking playlist only and say "-blam!- TU!"

  • 11.29.2012 1:58 PM PDT

It is possible to commit no errors and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life.

Posted by: chickenlittle
Cheeto is the only one among you that doesn't suck.

>implying that because the community wants something, it means that a qualified game company should listen to the community's terrible ideas

Simmer down, sailor
Posted by: RigZ Boi
>implying that because they added Alpha Zombies they were constantly listening to the community

Things the vocal community asked for but was ignored: Bloom, armour lock, terrible maps for The Arena etc.

Simmer down, sailor.

Posted by: TH3_AV3NG3R

Posted by: RigZ Boi
Please don't even get me started on how the let down the Halo community with how they ignored us post-launch.

What are you talking about? They gave us playlists that were needed and gave us back alpha zombies.

Wait you are talking about a TU? If memory serves me right, there was a Bungie weekly update by Urk I believe, who said they weren't allowed to change the game or something like that. I bet it has something to do with the contract that was with Microsoft and MS not allowing them to do anything with the game besides make playlists for it.

Edit: To me it just doesn't make sense that they wouldn't include any TU to a game when they were doing it all the time. In fact why would they add matchmaking playlist only and say "-blam!- TU!"

  • 11.29.2012 2:24 PM PDT

Key

You think people are going to not go to Star Wars VII because they're not using the EU? Probably not.

Bungie made the Universe, story, series, etc. How do you know in the Halo Bible it doesn't say that this is actually how the Reach incident occurred? (I know I'm risking sounding very ignorant right there, but still.) If you create an entire universe, series, storyline, etc. you deserve to take as many liberties with the novels based on said universe as you'd like. They could've named the planet Hcaer and I wouldn't have given a -blam!- because it's Bungie and it's their universe.

I honestly can't stand people who get upset over them changing stuff from the novel. They didn't re-release the novel with the new storyline, did they? They didn't change the novel at all. In fact, if you'd like, pretend the EU is a different dimension or something like what hardcore Star Wars fans do to the prequels in their head. But that's not what this is about.

I have an immense amount of respect for Bungie especially because, from what I've seen anyway, they aren't given nearly as much credit for what they've done to and for the industry. They basically pioneered online console gaming. They used to be one of the premier Mac-developing gaming companies. Hell, they made the first FPS with verticallity with respect to character movement.

Hopefully Destiny totally shatters all of the Halo series' records so that people are forced to take a closer look at one of the most influential gaming companies in the market while still only ever doing one series at a time. You can't really say that for many other companies these days.

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  • 11.29.2012 2:35 PM PDT

I acknowledge my user name is stupid. However, I promise I'm not.

Disclaimer: The latter is a lie.

>implying that Bungie can do know wrong
>implying that all the communities ideas were terrible

Chillax, cowboy.

Posted by: Cheeto666
>implying that because the community wants something, it means that a qualified game company should listen to the community's terrible ideas

Simmer down, sailor
Posted by: RigZ Boi
>implying that because they added Alpha Zombies they were constantly listening to the community

Things the vocal community asked for but was ignored: Bloom, armour lock, terrible maps for The Arena etc.

Simmer down, sailor.

Posted by: TH3_AV3NG3R

Posted by: RigZ Boi
Please don't even get me started on how the let down the Halo community with how they ignored us post-launch.

What are you talking about? They gave us playlists that were needed and gave us back alpha zombies.

Wait you are talking about a TU? If memory serves me right, there was a Bungie weekly update by Urk I believe, who said they weren't allowed to change the game or something like that. I bet it has something to do with the contract that was with Microsoft and MS not allowing them to do anything with the game besides make playlists for it.

Edit: To me it just doesn't make sense that they wouldn't include any TU to a game when they were doing it all the time. In fact why would they add matchmaking playlist only and say "-blam!- TU!"

  • 11.29.2012 2:36 PM PDT

Key


Posted by: RigZ Boi
>implying that Bungie can do know wrong
No he wasn't.

lrn 2 infr.

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  • 11.29.2012 2:38 PM PDT

Just remember that no matter how terrible you feel, or how much you want to let go, there are people who care about you and love you.

The more I played Reach the more my respect for them went down the toilet.

Destiny sounds cool though, I'll be getting that.

  • 11.29.2012 2:38 PM PDT

It is possible to commit no errors and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life.

Posted by: chickenlittle
Cheeto is the only one among you that doesn't suck.

The point is, the community is hardly qualified to say what is better for the game. For all you know, changing or removing armor lock from the game would have completely ruined everything.

Just saying. Bungie listens to the community, but they also have to take in the fact that we're not even remotely qualified to suggest changes. I'm sure they comply when they can, but sometimes, it might do more harm than good to change things.

  • 11.29.2012 2:39 PM PDT

Just remember that no matter how terrible you feel, or how much you want to let go, there are people who care about you and love you.


Posted by: Cheeto666
The point is, the community is hardly qualified to say what is better for the game. For all you know, changing or removing armor lock from the game would have completely ruined everything
How would removing it be any different than everybody dropping with sprint?

If only they had never conceived putting AAs in that game...

[Edited on 11.29.2012 2:41 PM PST]

  • 11.29.2012 2:41 PM PDT

Posted by: x Foman123 x

Posted by: TH3_AV3NG3R
What house has a rocket pod, has legs, and has a long narrow barrel that probably shoots something powerful?

Sounds like you're describing the lower half of my body, actually.


Posted by: RigZ Boi
>implying that because they added Alpha Zombies they were constantly listening to the community

Things the vocal community asked for but was ignored: Bloom, armour lock, terrible maps for The Arena etc.

Simmer down, sailor.

Simmer down?

You must have not been on the optimatch forum. I can tell. The maps were changed constantly in Arena, spawns for weapons, AA, etc. BTB was changed a lot. They took out Armor lock then put it back in. Took out team snipers for BTB then put their own playlist.

Like I said, they might have not been able to change the core stuff like bloom because of their contract with MS. I am not sure. If I can find the BWU where it shows it. To me it just doesn't make sense that they would listen to the fanbase in the optimatch forum then all of a sudden say "-blam!- it." to whoever had anything to say about the core gameplay.

  • 11.29.2012 2:46 PM PDT

I acknowledge my user name is stupid. However, I promise I'm not.

Disclaimer: The latter is a lie.

Visit the Bungie Universe forum.

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Bungie made the Universe, story, series, etc. How do you know in the Halo Bible it doesn't say that this is actually how the Reach incident occurred? (I know I'm risking sounding very ignorant right there, but still.)


Chill out, stud.

I honestly can't stand people who get upset over them changing stuff from the novel.

This, however, I do very much agree with.

I have an immense amount of respect for Bungie especially because, from what I've seen anyway, they aren't given nearly as much credit for what they've done to and for the industry. They basically pioneered online console gaming. They used to be one of the premier Mac-developing gaming companies. Hell, they made the first FPS with verticallity with respect to character movement.

Hopefully Destiny totally shatters all of the Halo series' records so that people are forced to take a closer look at one of the most influential gaming companies in the market while still only ever doing one series at a time. You can't really say that for many other companies these days.

  • 11.29.2012 2:52 PM PDT

Posted by: x Foman123 x

Posted by: TH3_AV3NG3R
What house has a rocket pod, has legs, and has a long narrow barrel that probably shoots something powerful?

Sounds like you're describing the lower half of my body, actually.

Hopefully Destiny totally shatters all of the Halo series' records so that people are forced to take a closer look at one of the most influential gaming companies in the market while still only ever doing one series at a time. You can't really say that for many other companies these days.


If it is a MMOFPS and is easy to understand like Star Wars. They are going to revolutionize gaming for consoles again. There is not one mmofps on one console except for a exclusive on PS3 but that sucked. I mean it really sucked. What was it called MAG?

  • 11.29.2012 3:00 PM PDT

I acknowledge my user name is stupid. However, I promise I'm not.

Disclaimer: The latter is a lie.

Chill your boots, bra.

That list of changes did help yes. However, they weren't anything major. And they definitely did not address the problems being projected the most.

I doubt the contract said something like "can't change bloom lol". Why would Microsoft be concerned over something such as that? The only thing Microsoft would be weary about is if Bungie were going to subtly sabotage Reach's multiplayer. Not something like bloom.

If you can find the BWU then yeah, I'd probably give your argument more credit. But at the end of it, this all comes to opinions. You need to relax a little bit and stop getting so heated over this. For real. Ain't nobody got time fo' dat.

On topic plz.

Tehe.

Posted by: TH3_AV3NG3R

  • 11.29.2012 3:00 PM PDT

It is possible to commit no errors and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life.

Posted by: chickenlittle
Cheeto is the only one among you that doesn't suck.

It was more that it was an integral part of the game. You can't just remove a game mechanic, just like you can't just remove the ability to melee or switch weapons. There are some things you can't change.

Besides, bloom was present in all games, just given a representation in the targeting reticle for the first time.

But, we are off topic.

I think Bungie has learned a lot of lessons from their last few games, and will likely not make the same mistakes again.
Posted by: RigZ Boi

I doubt the contract said something like "can't change bloom lol". Why would Microsoft be concerned over something such as that? The only thing Microsoft would be weary about is if Bungie were going to subtly sabotage Reach's multiplayer. Not something like bloom.


Posted by: TH3_AV3NG3R

  • 11.29.2012 3:04 PM PDT

Key


Posted by: TH3_AV3NG3R
Hopefully Destiny totally shatters all of the Halo series' records so that people are forced to take a closer look at one of the most influential gaming companies in the market while still only ever doing one series at a time. You can't really say that for many other companies these days.


If it is a MMOFPS and is easy to understand like Star Wars. They are going to revolutionize gaming for consoles again. There is not one mmofps on one console except for a exclusive on PS3 but that sucked. I mean it really sucked. What was it called MAG?
Yes. It had the most comical actual name to an FPS I've ever seen, Massive Action Game. I remember it was like really hyped at E3 09 or 10 but I never heard anything after that. And there was no open-world RPG elements in the slightest, IIRC. I'm pretty sure it was just CoD Matchmaking with like 100-player games or something like that.

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  • 11.29.2012 3:09 PM PDT

Posted by: RigZ Boi
Visit the Bungie Universe forum.


If that's where all the whiners go, no thanks.

On topic, Bungie has had my respect since the first day that I played Marathon 2. I watched & played avidly as Marathon, Myth and Halo games were released. Can they "do no wrong"? Maybe not. But I trust the leadership to bring us something wonderful.

EDIT: As Aisha Tyler once said, "Slow & Steady, Let the bodies hit the floor"

[Edited on 11.29.2012 3:16 PM PST]

  • 11.29.2012 3:10 PM PDT

It is possible to commit no errors and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life.

Posted by: chickenlittle
Cheeto is the only one among you that doesn't suck.

It was a great concept for a game, just that it didn't work out. The idea was that with your massive team, you would have someone in command, and they would set targets and objectives, and so on. The idea was to have actual squad on squad, platoon on platoon combat.

But in reality, no one obeyed orders, and just played willy nilly CoD style.

There just wasn't enough structure and no real way to compel people to play properly, and as a result, no one wanted to play.
Posted by: CrazzySnipe55

Posted by: TH3_AV3NG3R
Hopefully Destiny totally shatters all of the Halo series' records so that people are forced to take a closer look at one of the most influential gaming companies in the market while still only ever doing one series at a time. You can't really say that for many other companies these days.


If it is a MMOFPS and is easy to understand like Star Wars. They are going to revolutionize gaming for consoles again. There is not one mmofps on one console except for a exclusive on PS3 but that sucked. I mean it really sucked. What was it called MAG?
Yes. It had the most comical actual name to an FPS I've ever seen, Massive Action Game. I remember it was like really hyped at E3 09 or 10 but I never heard anything after that. And there was no open-world RPG elements in the slightest, IIRC. I'm pretty sure it was just CoD Matchmaking with like 100-player games or something like that.

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  • 11.29.2012 3:12 PM PDT

"Dad, your drunk again. Stop posting on the forum, or i'll ban you, and it'll ruin Christmas." -Deej


Posted by: DeeJ
Posted by: QuirkyNate
I lost respect for Bungie when DeeJ became our community manager, that guy is such an ass.


I lost respect for Bungie when they told me that I could not ban people back to the stone age when they were mean to me.


This is why I love you Deej. Also, if you can't ban people for being mean, then why did you threaten me with a ban? HUUUUHHH?????

  • 11.29.2012 3:15 PM PDT

I acknowledge my user name is stupid. However, I promise I'm not.

Disclaimer: The latter is a lie.

343 changed it.

Reach's bloom was far more prominent than in other titles.

Posted by: Cheeto666
It was more that it was an integral part of the game. You can't just remove a game mechanic, just like you can't just remove the ability to melee or switch weapons. There are some things you can't change.

Besides, bloom was present in all games, just given a representation in the targeting reticle for the first time.

But, we are off topic.

I think Bungie has learned a lot of lessons from their last few games, and will likely not make the same mistakes again.
Posted by: RigZ Boi

I doubt the contract said something like "can't change bloom lol". Why would Microsoft be concerned over something such as that? The only thing Microsoft would be weary about is if Bungie were going to subtly sabotage Reach's multiplayer. Not something like bloom.


Posted by: TH3_AV3NG3R

  • 11.29.2012 3:23 PM PDT


Posted by: CrazzySnipe55

Posted by: TH3_AV3NG3R
Hopefully Destiny totally shatters all of the Halo series' records so that people are forced to take a closer look at one of the most influential gaming companies in the market while still only ever doing one series at a time. You can't really say that for many other companies these days.


If it is a MMOFPS and is easy to understand like Star Wars. They are going to revolutionize gaming for consoles again. There is not one mmofps on one console except for a exclusive on PS3 but that sucked. I mean it really sucked. What was it called MAG?
Yes. It had the most comical actual name to an FPS I've ever seen, Massive Action Game. I remember it was like really hyped at E3 09 or 10 but I never heard anything after that. And there was no open-world RPG elements in the slightest, IIRC. I'm pretty sure it was just CoD Matchmaking with like 100-player games or something like that.

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I thought that's all it was meant to be. A competitive FPS multiplayer on a huge scale.

  • 11.29.2012 3:26 PM PDT

Key

You can't really expect to change the general FPS audience to switch over to organized, military-like behavior in a video game. Hell, World of Warcraft PVP with randoms is more organized even the most organized Big Team Battle game. They need to be eased into that mentality. That's why the idea of military-style Clans is so jarring and alien to most players because "lolyouretakingthisgametooseriously". That may be true but that kind of stuff is exactly how "clans" are run in most other genres.

I rambled a bit but my main point was: the concept was misguided and the developers overestimated the maturity of the average FPS gamer.
Posted by: Cheeto666
It was a great concept for a game, just that it didn't work out. The idea was that with your massive team, you would have someone in command, and they would set targets and objectives, and so on. The idea was to have actual squad on squad, platoon on platoon combat.

But in reality, no one obeyed orders, and just played willy nilly CoD style.

There just wasn't enough structure and no real way to compel people to play properly, and as a result, no one wanted to play.
Posted by: CrazzySnipe55

Posted by: TH3_AV3NG3R
Hopefully Destiny totally shatters all of the Halo series' records so that people are forced to take a closer look at one of the most influential gaming companies in the market while still only ever doing one series at a time. You can't really say that for many other companies these days.


If it is a MMOFPS and is easy to understand like Star Wars. They are going to revolutionize gaming for consoles again. There is not one mmofps on one console except for a exclusive on PS3 but that sucked. I mean it really sucked. What was it called MAG?
Yes. It had the most comical actual name to an FPS I've ever seen, Massive Action Game. I remember it was like really hyped at E3 09 or 10 but I never heard anything after that. And there was no open-world RPG elements in the slightest, IIRC. I'm pretty sure it was just CoD Matchmaking with like 100-player games or something like that.

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  • 11.29.2012 3:30 PM PDT

I don't always ban people but when I do I laugh uncontrollably...that's if I was a Forum Ninja.

Truth is a matter of perception.

The Button


Posted by: DeeJ
Posted by: QuirkyNate
I lost respect for Bungie when DeeJ became our community manager, that guy is such an ass.


I lost respect for Bungie when they told me that I could not ban people back to the stone age when they were mean to me.


Love you too, DeeJ.

  • 11.29.2012 3:30 PM PDT

It is possible to commit no errors and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life.

Posted by: chickenlittle
Cheeto is the only one among you that doesn't suck.

343 changed Reach's bloom? Or changed it for Halo 4?

I haven't played Reach since around the time Bungie handed it over to 343

  • 11.29.2012 3:31 PM PDT