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Subject: Being overweight is a lifestyle choice, not a medical issue

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Posted by: Frnksnbns
As for the "fat gene's", so-called, plan, studies have no jurisdiction. Studies'll find you and influence your APPETITE and MENTAL BEHAVIOUR. I know the obese when I see them, and...
I agree, OP.
Aside from the rare medical conditions which affect metabolism, people probably just enjoy food so much that they forget to take care of their bodily health.

  • 11.29.2012 1:11 PM PDT

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Posted by: theHurtfulTurkey
Floodians seem abnormally righteous about being close-minded about obesity. Yes it's often a lack of willpower that is the root of the problem, but to say it isn't a medical issue is really just dumb.


Obesity is a medical issue, but it is not caused by medical issues. Feel me?


No, because it can be.


For like 1/10th of 1% of the fat population?


I'm confused as to why you think that blatantly fabricated statistic is relevant to anything but to show that you don't know what you're talking about.

Posted by: Frnksnbns
You make it sound like obese people can stop eating and still remain obese. That's nonsense.
Starvation diets are proven to be ineffective methods of weight loss. Wrong again.


I was asking you. See the question mark? Please tell us since you are obviously an expert, what percentage of obese people have these medical conditions.

As for starvation diets: I never said anything about dieting, I just made a simple statement about how nature works. But please, go ahead and twist my words because you feel I am insulting overweight people, which I have not done nor am I trying to do.

[Edited on 11.29.2012 1:12 PM PST]

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Posted by: Assassin 11D7
Should we yell at clinically depressed people to stop being depressed, too?


Strawman argument?

Who is yelling btw?

Okay, let me make it simpler.

Telling somebody that they should stop eating so much because they're fat, isn't going to solve anything. It's just like if somebody told you, you should be happier. You cannot simply change how you live, by eating less or eating more, it's a psychological issue.

People don't just think, "you know what, I'm going to start becoming fat today". If you're born into a family where people eat a lot, you will view that as natural and eat a lot too. After that happens, you can't really change how you've acted for most of your life.

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Posted by: Cortland_Brewer
I went hungry (I.E. NO FOOD AT ALL) approximately 2 days a week for almost a year. I lost 10 pounds. that's it. 10.

That isn't relevant at all without knowing how many calories you consumed in your eating days and your metabolic rate.

A pound of fat is 3,500 calories. So you consumed 35,000 less calories than you burned in that year.

Posted by: Assassin 11D7
You cannot simply change how you live, by eating less or eating more, it's a psychological issue

You didn't just compare an emotion to physically shoveling food into your mouth, did you?

[Edited on 11.29.2012 1:16 PM PST]

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Okay, let me make it simpler.

Telling somebody that they should stop eating so much because they're fat, isn't going to solve anything. It's just like if somebody told you, you should be happier. You cannot simply change how you live, by eating less or eating more, it's a psychological issue.

People don't just think, "you know what, I'm going to start becoming fat today". If you're born into a family where people eat a lot, you will view that as natural and eat a lot too. After that happens, you can't really change how you've acted for most of your life.


I respect your opinion but I completely disagree. To me, it sounds like nothing but an excuse. I believe in free will and people have to accept responsibility for their choices in life.

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Posted by: Frnksnbns
I was asking you. See the question mark? Please tell us since you are obviously an expert, what percentage of obese people have these medical conditions.
I'm not sure what percentage of overweight people are so because of medical issues rather than lack of willpower, and I would not presume to pretend to know that information like you did.
As for starvation diets: I never said anything about dieting, I just made a simple statement about how nature works. But please, go ahead and twist my words because you feel I am insulting overweight people, which I have not done nor am I trying to do.
I'm not twisting your words in the slightest.

"You make it sound like obese people can stop eating and still remain obese. That's nonsense."

Obese people can and do stay obese without eating. Like I said, starvation does not reduce fat; on a starvation diet, the food that a person eats is efficiently converted into fat, and the person will see muscle atrophy and negligible fat loss. You just keep on being wrong about stuff. Huh.

You're playing innocent/dumb to backpedal on the blatantly incorrect and foolish things you've said in this thread. The most mature thing to do at this point would be to post that you were wrong and let the thread die.

[Edited on 11.29.2012 1:22 PM PST]

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Posted by: Assassin 11D7

Posted by: Frnksnbns

Posted by: Assassin 11D7
Should we yell at clinically depressed people to stop being depressed, too?


Strawman argument?

Who is yelling btw?

Okay, let me make it simpler.

Telling somebody that they should stop eating so much because they're fat, isn't going to solve anything. It's just like if somebody told you, you should be happier. You cannot simply change how you live, by eating less or eating more, it's a psychological issue.

People don't just think, "you know what, I'm going to start becoming fat today". If you're born into a family where people eat a lot, you will view that as natural and eat a lot too. After that happens, you can't really change how you've acted for most of your life.


If it's a lifestyle that has negative such impacts then they should seek help and not try to get people to pity them.

Clinically depressed people should seek out help too, when i was depressed myself having people feel sorry for me only enabled me and was just as bad as being ignored.

Of course, i beg the question, are we talking about just overweight people or obese people? There is a difference.

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Posted by: theHurtfulTurkey
Like I said, starvation does not reduce fat; the body will consume muscle tissue before resorting to the fat stores. You just keep on being wrong about stuff. Huh.

wat.

Lipolysis occurs when starvation begins. Fats are burned first, then muscle tissue.

Ordinarily, the body responds to reduced energy intake by burning fat reserves first, and only consumes muscle and other tissues when those reserves are exhausted. Specifically, the body burns fat after first exhausting the contents of the digestive tract along with glycogen reserves stored in muscle and liver cells.[3] After prolonged periods of starvation, the body will utilize the proteins within muscle tissue as a fuel source.

[Edited on 11.29.2012 1:19 PM PST]

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Posted by: Recon Number 54
Okay?


So? If it is a choice, what's the problem?


The problem is, EVERYONE gets effected.


Smokers only have to deal with smoker problems.
Alcoholics only have to deal with alcohol problems.

But EVERYONE has to deal with fat people problems.


When I was in JR High, they got with of those snack vendors and good lunch food... to "curb obesity"

NYC, a place I'm in every weekend, has a ban on sodas above 16ounces.

I can't supersize my meals at McDonalds.

"Healthy" and "diet" alternatives are forced in my face at super markets, and I actually have to make sure I'm not buying that garbage when I go grocery shopping.


I can go on and on, but you see my point.

Want to be fat? Ok, be fat. But these fat people are going to keep being fat, so why do I, a healthy skinny person, have to face the repercussions along with these obese people?


It's not infringing on any of my rights, obviously, but it certainly affected my own lifestyle negatively... And I'm 6'0'', and 175lb. I'm healthy.


Thats the problem, in my opinion.

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Posted by: Frnksnbns
As for the "fat gene's", so-called, plan, studies have no jurisdiction. Studies'll find you and influence your APPETITE and MENTAL BEHAVIOUR. I know the obese when I see them, and...
I agree, OP.
Aside from the rare medical conditions which affect metabolism, people probably just enjoy food so much that they forget to take care of their bodily health.


It goes deeper than just metabolism.

  • 11.29.2012 1:18 PM PDT

Posted by: Nessy

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Posted by: theHurtfulTurkey



Obese people can and do stay obese without eating. Like I said, starvation does not reduce fat; the body will consume muscle tissue before resorting to the fat stores. You just keep on being wrong about stuff. Huh.


I'm sorry, but you are wrong. You don't understand basic human health issues. Fat is stored as energy reserves. Yes, the human body can eat muscle, but fat is used as well if not significantly more so.

It's a simple biological certainty: If you stop eating, you will lose fat and eventually starve to death.

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Posted by: theHurtfulTurkey
The body will consume muscle tissue before resorting to the fat stores.


This can't be serious. While starvation is not a good thing as it can screw with the body in all kinds of ways, the whole reason fat exists is to power the body when food is unavaliable. Muscle doesn't deteriorate until the usable fat is used up.

  • 11.29.2012 1:20 PM PDT

Posted by: Nessy

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Posted by: theHurtfulTurkey
Like I said, starvation does not reduce fat; the body will consume muscle tissue before resorting to the fat stores. You just keep on being wrong about stuff. Huh.

wat.

Lipolysis occurs when starvation begins. Fats are burned first, then muscle tissue.

Ordinarily, the body responds to reduced energy intake by burning fat reserves first, and only consumes muscle and other tissues when those reserves are exhausted. Specifically, the body burns fat after first exhausting the contents of the digestive tract along with glycogen reserves stored in muscle and liver cells.[3] After prolonged periods of starvation, the body will utilize the proteins within muscle tissue as a fuel source.


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Posted by: theHurtfulTurkey
Like I said, starvation does not reduce fat; the body will consume muscle tissue before resorting to the fat stores. You just keep on being wrong about stuff. Huh.

wat.

Lipolysis occurs when starvation begins. Fats are burned first, then muscle tissue.

Ordinarily, the body responds to reduced energy intake by burning fat reserves first, and only consumes muscle and other tissues when those reserves are exhausted. Specifically, the body burns fat after first exhausting the contents of the digestive tract along with glycogen reserves stored in muscle and liver cells.[3] After prolonged periods of starvation, the body will utilize the proteins within muscle tissue as a fuel source.


My mistake, I misspoke. On a starvation diet, the food that a person eats is efficiently converted into fat, and the person will see muscle atrophy and negligible fat loss.

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Posted by: Recon Number 54
Okay?


So? If it is a choice, what's the problem?


The problem is, EVERYONE gets effected.


Smokers only have to deal with smoker problems.
Alcoholics only have to deal with alcohol problems.

But EVERYONE has to deal with fat people problems.


When I was in JR High, they got with of those snack vendors and good lunch food... to "curb obesity"

NYC, a place I'm in every weekend, has a ban on sodas above 16ounces.

I can't supersize my meals at McDonalds.

"Healthy" and "diet" alternatives are forced in my face at super markets, and I actually have to make sure I'm not buying that garbage when I go grocery shopping.


I can go on and on, but you see my point.

Want to be fat? Ok, be fat. But these fat people are going to keep being fat, so why do I, a healthy skinny person, have to face the repercussions along with these obese people?


It's not infringing on any of my rights, obviously, but it certainly affected my own lifestyle negatively... And I'm 6'0'', and 175lb. I'm healthy.


Thats the problem, in my opinion.

That was the government stepping in and banning large sodas and super sized McDonald's meals, not fat people.

  • 11.29.2012 1:23 PM PDT

Posted by: Nessy

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Posted by: theHurtfulTurkey



You're playing innocent/dumb to backpedal on the blatantly incorrect and foolish things you've said in this thread. The most mature thing to do at this point would be to post that you were wrong and let the thread die.


Funny, it seems that you just got proven wrong. Will you apologize for freaking out and getting personal?

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Posted by: Knux NY

Posted by: Recon Number 54
Okay?


So? If it is a choice, what's the problem?


The problem is, EVERYONE gets effected.


Smokers only have to deal with smoker problems.
Alcoholics only have to deal with alcohol problems.

But EVERYONE has to deal with fat people problems.


When I was in JR High, they got with of those snack vendors and good lunch food... to "curb obesity"

NYC, a place I'm in every weekend, has a ban on sodas above 16ounces.

I can't supersize my meals at McDonalds.

"Healthy" and "diet" alternatives are forced in my face at super markets, and I actually have to make sure I'm not buying that garbage when I go grocery shopping.


I can go on and on, but you see my point.

Want to be fat? Ok, be fat. But these fat people are going to keep being fat, so why do I, a healthy skinny person, have to face the repercussions along with these obese people?


It's not infringing on any of my rights, obviously, but it certainly affected my own lifestyle negatively... And I'm 6'0'', and 175lb. I'm healthy.


Thats the problem, in my opinion.

That was the government stepping in and banning large sodas and super sized McDonald's meals, not fat people.



Correct.


In order to, get this... Curb obesity.

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Posted by: Frnksnbns

Posted by: theHurtfulTurkey



You're playing innocent/dumb to backpedal on the blatantly incorrect and foolish things you've said in this thread. The most mature thing to do at this point would be to post that you were wrong and let the thread die.


Funny, it seems that you just got proven wrong. Will you apologize for freaking out and getting personal?


I did not "freak out", and I have already admitted to and corrected my mistake because I'm a mature person.

Posted by: theHurtfulTurkey
My mistake, I misspoke. On a starvation diet, the food that a person eats is efficiently converted into fat, and the person will see muscle atrophy and negligible fat loss.


[Edited on 11.29.2012 1:25 PM PST]

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Posted by: theHurtfulTurkey
My mistake, I misspoke. On a starvation diet, the food that a person eats is efficiently converted into fat, and the person will see muscle atrophy and negligible fat loss.

Okay, then we're all good. Yes, if you are intaking some food, the body does its best to store it and reduce your natural metabolic rate - which is what you don't want.

There is a healthy zone in which you can consume less calories than you burn and not trigger such responses.

As said, 3,500 calories is about a pound of fat. So if you decrease your calorie count by something as small as 200 calories a day - that is good for a healthy 20 pound burn in a year.

  • 11.29.2012 1:24 PM PDT

Ridiculously unhealthy food should just be made to be even more unhealthy.

That way the world's fatty problem takes care of itself sooner.

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Posted by: Nessy

The bungie.net community is the halo PC community that is renowned for being unbelieveably sucky.

So you aren't going to apologize for attacking me. OK. Have a nice day.

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Posted by: Frnksnbns
So you aren't going to apologize for attacking me. OK. Have a nice day.


I have not attacked you, but I apologize for anything that may have offended you, such as your constant fallacious statements. I am sorry you're wrong basically all the time. I hope you have a pleasant day as well.

[Edited on 11.29.2012 1:27 PM PST]

  • 11.29.2012 1:26 PM PDT

Posted by: Nessy

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Posted by: theHurtfulTurkey

Posted by: Frnksnbns
So you aren't going to apologize for attacking me. OK. Have a nice day.


I have not attacked you, but I apologize for anything that may have offended you, such as your constant fallacious statements. I am sorry you're wrong basically all the time.


You have plenty of opportunity to correct anything that I said that is wrong. You tried and failed. You admit that you tried and failed. Obviously you are going to continue acting like a baby. That's too bad. Next time you challenge someone, get your facts straight or be more respectful when challenging others. There was no need for you to be mean spirited.

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Posted by: Frnksnbns

Posted by: theHurtfulTurkey

Posted by: Frnksnbns
So you aren't going to apologize for attacking me. OK. Have a nice day.


I have not attacked you, but I apologize for anything that may have offended you, such as your constant fallacious statements. I am sorry you're wrong basically all the time.


You have plenty of opportunity to correct anything that I said that is wrong. You tried and failed. You admit that you tried and failed. Obviously you are going to continue acting like a baby. That's too bad. Next time you challenge someone, get your facts straight or be more respectful when challenging others. There was no need for you to be mean spirited.


I'm not being "mean", and I'm sorry you are personally offended by how wrong you are. I don't feel the need to kiss someone's else while telling them they're wrong. I've refuted you a couple times, which you've ignored. I'll quote them below:

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Posted by: Frnksnbns

Posted by: theHurtfulTurkey

Posted by: Frnksnbns

Posted by: theHurtfulTurkey
Floodians seem abnormally righteous about being close-minded about obesity. Yes it's often a lack of willpower that is the root of the problem, but to say it isn't a medical issue is really just dumb.


Obesity is a medical issue, but it is not caused by medical issues. Feel me?


No, because it can be.


For like 1/10th of 1% of the fat population?


I'm confused as to why you think that blatantly fabricated statistic is relevant to anything but to show that you don't know what you're talking about.

Posted by: Frnksnbns
You make it sound like obese people can stop eating and still remain obese. That's nonsense.
Starvation diets are proven to be ineffective methods of weight loss.

Posted by: theHurtfulTurkey
Obese people can and do stay obese without eating. Like I said, starvation does not reduce fat; on a starvation diet, the food that a person eats is efficiently converted into fat, and the person will see muscle atrophy and negligible fat loss.




[Edited on 11.29.2012 1:35 PM PST]

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Posted by: Knux NY

Posted by: joshhh

Posted by: Knux NY

Posted by: Recon Number 54
Okay?


So? If it is a choice, what's the problem?


The problem is, EVERYONE gets effected.


Smokers only have to deal with smoker problems.
Alcoholics only have to deal with alcohol problems.

But EVERYONE has to deal with fat people problems.


When I was in JR High, they got with of those snack vendors and good lunch food... to "curb obesity"

NYC, a place I'm in every weekend, has a ban on sodas above 16ounces.

I can't supersize my meals at McDonalds.

"Healthy" and "diet" alternatives are forced in my face at super markets, and I actually have to make sure I'm not buying that garbage when I go grocery shopping.


I can go on and on, but you see my point.

Want to be fat? Ok, be fat. But these fat people are going to keep being fat, so why do I, a healthy skinny person, have to face the repercussions along with these obese people?


It's not infringing on any of my rights, obviously, but it certainly affected my own lifestyle negatively... And I'm 6'0'', and 175lb. I'm healthy.


Thats the problem, in my opinion.

That was the government stepping in and banning large sodas and super sized McDonald's meals, not fat people.



Correct.


In order to, get this... Curb obesity.

I understand that. No need to be sassy.

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