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Subject: How to improve the US education system.

Posted by: IrIsHmAn04
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Posted by: Swiftkillswitch3

Posted by: Swiftkillswitch3
In my district-area, the schools and other public-services are to be taking a $30-million hit because of the power company. The power company are to be suing the schools and other public services because they are $30-million behind on taxes.

It is wrong, it is also illegal.

WUT?
Posted by: xBADMAGIKx
Maybe you should have wrote out your original response in more clear way so that it could be understood better. And why the need to start calling names? This why these type of discussions usually get locked because of people like you. Instead of talking and debating about it, you take it personal, throwing out emotional retorts.


How does that vague statement explain in the slightest of what you're talking about?

Why are they suing? What is the background on the issue? Are there other factors involved? etc.

  • 11.29.2012 1:38 PM PDT

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Posted by: Disambiguation
Plenty of folks out there looking for jobs right now, while the union ensures that underperforming people never get cut, and instead receive benefits and a regular pay raises.


Indeed there are and there is that, but, out of that crowd, how many could cut the cake and become the teacher that they signed up to be more than a decade ago? I'm not wanting to back up the unions, but some teachers these days are just plain bad, and replacing them would be even worse at times.

  • 11.29.2012 1:39 PM PDT


Posted by: Swiftkillswitch3

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Pay public school teachers less
ohlol


This has turned out to be the worst thing to do. Fire the good teachers because they want a little more, and then bring in the sub-par teachers who really don't give a damn.

Flawless logic, Flood..

Private school teachers get paid much less than public school teachers do but take the crappy pay because they enjoy teaching children. Public school teachers shouldn't be in it just for the money and themselves and can tend to be under-qualified or undeserving of their position. So many public school teachers around my area are paid more and they let the students run the classes.

  • 11.29.2012 1:39 PM PDT
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Posted by: Telec
Everybody here is saying that teachers' unions should be destroyed, but noone has explained how this will actually impact educational outcomes...

Any takers?

Teacher pay is relatively in-line with OECD countries (with obviously noted higher student performance) and the unemployment rate among teachers is pretty much in line with college-level unemployment, which teaching requires. So really, I'd say that teacher pay and benefits if unions were dissolved would not change much in most locales. I don't think teachers have to really worry about getting massive cuts in their pay/benefits.

The strongest teaching union states really don't have much better pay/benefits than non strong union states.

Hell, talk to madmax. California has an extremely strong teacher's union - but he isn't rolling in dough.

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  • 11.29.2012 1:40 PM PDT

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Our whole system needs a massive overhaul, in the content we teach and the way school is set up. The entire culture of American education (coming from an American college student) is -blam!-. We're much too entitled as a people. We need a massive crack down on education if we even HOPE to keep pace with the rest of the world.

OR

Howsabout we take our students ... and push 'em somewhere else! Like South Korea or Finland!

  • 11.29.2012 1:40 PM PDT

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Posted by: Swiftkillswitch3
Posted by: Disambiguation
Plenty of folks out there looking for jobs right now, while the union ensures that underperforming people never get cut, and instead receive benefits and a regular pay raises.

Indeed there are and there is that, but, out of that crowd, how many could cut the cake and become the teacher that they signed up to be more than a decade ago? I'm not wanting to back up the unions, but some teachers these days are just plain bad, and replacing them would be even worse at times.
Worth taking the chance. The administration should in no way be restricted from replacing someone who is not doing a good job.

  • 11.29.2012 1:40 PM PDT

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Posted by: xBADMAGIKx

Posted by: Swiftkillswitch3

Posted by: Swiftkillswitch3
In my district-area, the schools and other public-services are to be taking a $30-million hit because of the power company. The power company are to be suing the schools and other public services because they are $30-million behind on taxes.

It is wrong, it is also illegal.

WUT?
Posted by: xBADMAGIKx
Maybe you should have wrote out your original response in more clear way so that it could be understood better. And why the need to start calling names? This why these type of discussions usually get locked because of people like you. Instead of talking and debating about it, you take it personal, throwing out emotional retorts.


How does that vague statement explain in the slightest of what you're talking about?

Why are they suing? What is the background on the issue? Are there other factors involved? etc.


You missed the whole entire point. I'm upset that the power company is suing the school system because the power company is in debt from taxes. The first thing to be hit would be the schools. They are behind/in debt on their taxes, and the schools generate more money than anything else in the district, which brings us back to why they're being sued: most of the money, easier to leave debt.

  • 11.29.2012 1:41 PM PDT

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Posted by: Disambiguation
Posted by: Swiftkillswitch3
Posted by: Disambiguation
Plenty of folks out there looking for jobs right now, while the union ensures that underperforming people never get cut, and instead receive benefits and a regular pay raises.

Indeed there are and there is that, but, out of that crowd, how many could cut the cake and become the teacher that they signed up to be more than a decade ago? I'm not wanting to back up the unions, but some teachers these days are just plain bad, and replacing them would be even worse at times.
Worth taking the chance. The administration should in no way be restricted from replacing someone who is not doing a good job.


I wish people would come to this conclusion when it's needed. Thankfully, about 1/6 of the teachers in my school are to be retiring this year and next year.

  • 11.29.2012 1:42 PM PDT
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Posted by: xBADMAGIKx
Exactly!

this would also encourage parents to take more responsibility with their child as opposed to the school always being responsible.

Parents are not as involved as they should be anymore and teachers do not teach the subject. They are forced into essentially teaching kids to memorize. Performance based testing would be so much better.
I actually find it really shocking how oblivious many parents are to their child's performance in school.

Mine were always actively involved in my schooling. They weren't doing my homework for me or w/e, but they met with teachers, went to meetings with my guidance counselor and I, spent a lot of time researching and visiting universities with me, and so on.

But I've met parents who don't even know what courses their kids are taking in high school or what their marks are. And if they're low, they don't give a damn.

  • 11.29.2012 1:46 PM PDT

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Posted by: Telec
Everybody here is saying that teachers' unions should be destroyed, but noone has explained how this will actually impact educational outcomes...

Any takers?

Teacher pay is relatively in-line with OECD countries (with obviously noted higher student performance) and the unemployment rate among teachers is pretty much in line with college-level unemployment, which teaching requires. So really, I'd say that teacher pay and benefits if unions were dissolved would not change much in most locales. I don't think teachers have to really worry about getting massive cuts in their pay/benefits.

The strongest teaching union states really don't have much better pay/benefits than non strong union states.

Hell, talk to madmax. California has an extremely strong teacher's union - but he isn't rolling in dough.
The only benefit that teacher unions afford to teachers is to not be fired for giving students the grades that the administration/parents want instead of the grade they earned; I have first-hand experience with that.

I taught briefly in Saddleback Valley Unified School District, home to schools like Laguna Hills high [just like you might have seen on that MTV show]. I was giving a pretty rough time by the administration because I gave a few kids failing grades because that's what they earned...but the administration and parents didn't like that. The teachers union is the only thing that kept me from being fired. I left that school at the end of the year.

  • 11.29.2012 1:46 PM PDT
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Why don't we make education a state/local problem instead of a federal problem and allow the budget decisions to the school board themselves!

-gets kicked out of the Miami-Dade GOP for a week because I said that.-

  • 11.29.2012 1:48 PM PDT

Posted by: IrIsHmAn04
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Posted by: xBADMAGIKx
Exactly!

this would also encourage parents to take more responsibility with their child as opposed to the school always being responsible.

Parents are not as involved as they should be anymore and teachers do not teach the subject. They are forced into essentially teaching kids to memorize. Performance based testing would be so much better.
I actually find it really shocking how oblivious many parents are to their child's performance in school.

Mine were always actively involved in my schooling. They weren't doing my homework for me or w/e, but they met with teachers, went to meetings with my guidance counselor and I, spent a lot of time researching and visiting universities with me, and so on.

But I've met parents who don't even know what courses their kids are taking in high school or what their marks are. And if they're low, they don't give a damn.


They only care when they see that report card or their kid isn't graduating. Then they go blame it on the school.

A big part of the problems in education now a days is not just the policies in place, but the retarded ass parents who claim they care about their kid's education, but doesn't know jack -blam!- about what is being taught to their kid.

  • 11.29.2012 1:48 PM PDT
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Posted by: Mr Libertarian
Why don't we make education a state/local problem instead of a federal problem and allow the budget decisions to the school board themselves!

-gets kicked out of the Miami-Dade GOP for a week because I said that.-
Kicked out of the GOP? Isn't small gov't and states' power their thing?

  • 11.29.2012 1:50 PM PDT
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I live in nj and im surprised that we rank so high up their

hell they say my school is the best in my county

  • 11.29.2012 1:51 PM PDT

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Posted by: funbun777
I live in nj and im surprised that we rank so high up their

hell they say my school is the best in my county


I can tell it's not by your inability to spell and improper usage of grammar..

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Posted by: CND AAA Beef

Posted by: Mr Libertarian
Why don't we make education a state/local problem instead of a federal problem and allow the budget decisions to the school board themselves!

-gets kicked out of the Miami-Dade GOP for a week because I said that.-
Kicked out of the GOP? Isn't small gov't and states' power their thing?


I wish...

  • 11.29.2012 3:17 PM PDT

Abolish School Districts.

There, that was easy. Two birds with one stone.

How to improve the US education system.

  • 11.29.2012 3:19 PM PDT

"If you want to test a man's character, give him power" -- Abraham Lincoln

1. End the federal Education Department and allow the states to retain the offset revenue. We dont need the federal government telling states how to run education in their respective sovereignty's

2. Ban teacher's unions

3. Do away with standardized testing. It does literally nothing to improve learning.

4. Allow for more school choice so parents and children can pick the best schools.

5. Increase competition by allocating state funds only to schools who show improvement over time.

  • 11.29.2012 3:21 PM PDT

Learn from Canada.

  • 11.29.2012 3:22 PM PDT
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Posted by: ArchNinja64
1. End the federal Education Department and allow the states to retain the offset revenue. We dont need the federal government telling states how to run education in their respective sovereignty's

2. Ban teacher's unions

3. Do away with standardized testing. It does literally nothing to improve learning.

4. Allow for more school choice so parents and children can pick the best schools.

5. Increase competition by allocating state funds only to schools who show improvement over time.


1_ Agreed

2_ Disagree. Unions are part of their amendment, however, they should not rule over the school board. If anyone asks why, watch wating for superman.

3_ Agreed

4_ Disagree. Why? Because there is supply/demand sadly.


I support government programs such as virtual schools. They are proven great results on test scores, highest attendence, increases savings, bad teachers can be fired EASILY (just call customer support and file a complaint, and that the director of the subject looks at the reports), multiple subjects taken. I am now enrolled in full time virtual school and by this year I will be finishing highschool at 16 and be able to go to college next year. Hoorah!

Also, I support privatized school education programs, cheaper and more efficient.

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  • 11.29.2012 3:27 PM PDT

I think the biggest problem is that people don't go to school to learn. Students go to school to socialize. We need a culture of learning.

  • 11.29.2012 4:04 PM PDT

Generalizations.
Helping idiots hate other idiots since people have existed.

We need better teachers.

We need to somehow attract the best and brightest people to become educators of our children.

So let's pay teachers 500,000 a year. I'm joking obviously, but consider this; when you increase a job's pay, it creates more competition for that job. More competition = better qualified people get hired overall.

Also, we shouldn't get rid of pension entirely, but we need to it easier to fire bad teachers, and hire better ones in their place.

[Edited on 11.29.2012 4:16 PM PST]

  • 11.29.2012 4:10 PM PDT

I think one of the things we should start with is a serious examination of the methods we use to teach and handle children in schools. There are so many things that we do in schools for the sole reason that "it's tradition" or "we've always done this" that, when looked at closely, are hurting more than they help.

I also think that we need to seriously update the technology that our schools use. No more dead trees, for example. Technology is not a "treat", nor is it something that students are ever "old enough" for. It should be just as integrated into our schools as desks and pencils are now.

  • 11.29.2012 4:20 PM PDT

Remember those times when we all had something better to be doing, but didn't do it? Those were good times. Gooood times

>Put more emphasis on the classes portion of school and less into the sports.
>Divide classes into smart/not so much
>Expand on art an music, don't cut them
>Provide actual FILLING meals, not those tiny 5 gram clumps of meat they call burgers
>Create more 'specialized' classes

  • 11.29.2012 4:21 PM PDT

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