Off Topic: The Flood
This topic has moved here: Subject: Casuals are detrimentally impacting the gaming industry.
  • Subject: Casuals are detrimentally impacting the gaming industry.
Subject: Casuals are detrimentally impacting the gaming industry.

~:O>~~

Games are meant to be casual... if your looking for a challenge in life you need to look elsewhere.

Find a girlfriend and get married if you don't like casual!!!

  • 11.29.2012 1:49 PM PDT


Posted by: a squiggly apple


OP shut up, god damn I am sick of these -blam!- essays where people seem to think that the world revolves around them, I'm sick of the fact that people in this world don't understand the process of change.


LOL. Change isnt always good.

  • 11.29.2012 1:51 PM PDT

Trying hard or hardly trying?

GT: oxI Sonic Ixo


Posted by: DarkBen64

Posted by: Anthony2K6

Posted by: DaViDlIkEsPiE2
you do know you were one of those "filthy casuals" when you were younger, right? it's just the same as anything else, the older generation hates the new, rose coloured glasses, ect.

I don't believe it is that simple. You can definitely see a drop in quality across the board when it comes to challenge and focus in today's video games.
Only in AA titles. Again, it's not the demographic, it's the game developers.

I am inclined to agree even though we as consumers have the ultimate responsibility of what we feel is an acceptable product.

  • 11.29.2012 1:51 PM PDT


Posted by: Carthurlane


Find a girlfriend and get married if you don't like casual!!!


I just did. Now I want a real halo game.

  • 11.29.2012 1:51 PM PDT

Posted by: Seggi31
Posted by: Doctor Jensen
I've challenged my beliefs. What is the book about?


I find that this is usually untrue. If religious people honestly, diligently and intelligently challenged their beliefs, there would be no religious people.

"I bought two mainstream games and they play too much like mainstream games"


K.

  • 11.29.2012 1:52 PM PDT


Posted by: Anthony2K6

Posted by: DarkBen64

Posted by: Anthony2K6

Posted by: DaViDlIkEsPiE2
you do know you were one of those "filthy casuals" when you were younger, right? it's just the same as anything else, the older generation hates the new, rose coloured glasses, ect.

I don't believe it is that simple. You can definitely see a drop in quality across the board when it comes to challenge and focus in today's video games.
Only in AA titles. Again, it's not the demographic, it's the game developers.

I am inclined to agree even though we as consumers have the ultimate responsibility of what we feel is an acceptable product.
Yes, but we're used to games that feed us instructions on a platter.

  • 11.29.2012 1:53 PM PDT
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:

Network Tech, computer hardware tech, etc. PM if you need network help. Avid Elder Scrolls fan.

Someone mentioned earlier that the developers are getting lazy with the games. This is true. Used to you had an objective to work for and your prize was so sweet when you got there. Now though you beat it on the hardest difficulty and it's like why am I feeling empty on the inside?

Games today don't give that "accomplished something" feel anymore. It's hooray you beat it on hard whoop di doo. I always say especially for now it's quantity over quality anymore. Quantity being money and quality being the game quality. It's a very precise scale that has to be balanced.

Halo one was made on a small budget at the first (Low quantity (money) high quality (gameplay)) then moved to xbox but it still maintained that low quantity high quality ratio. It's fine when it's the start but it has to balance later. If you have to much quality though then everybody will expect better in the next game.

The key is to keep it balanced between quality of work and quantity of sales.

  • 11.29.2012 1:54 PM PDT
  •  | 
  • Exalted Mythic Member

____________(˜˜˜||˜˜˜˜||˜˜˜˜˜)_∏______
l | --------____.`=====.-.~:________\___|================[oo]
|_|||___/___/_/~```|_|_|_|``(o)----------<)

Please, stop using the word casual. Call of Duty is not a casual game, nor is any of its gameplay elements. Just because it APPEALS TO CASUAL GAMERS, does not make it casual.

Want to know why Call of Duty appeals to casuals? Because killing things is instantaneously. You shoot at it, and it dies.

Halo will never appeal to casuals again, because Call of Duty is far more appealing to someone who does not want to spend a few dozen hours becoming proficient enough to even enjoy yourself.


tl;dr: The games industry is becoming MORE robust, not less. The population numbers for the major videogame franchises of the past aren't changing much. There are just super franchises that can appeal to absolutely everyone who isn't a part of those communities, and many of those in them.

  • 11.29.2012 1:55 PM PDT
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:


Posted by: RebelVElite

[quote]Posted by: DarkBen64
Casuals aren't the problem. Game developers being lazy are the problem.

That's not always the case. Look at Gears of War 3 and Skyrim. Both were significantly dumbed down compared to the previous games in the series. This was because the developers wanted to get the casual audience.

  • 11.29.2012 1:55 PM PDT

Trying hard or hardly trying?

GT: oxI Sonic Ixo


Posted by: Carthurlane
Games are meant to be casual... if your looking for a challenge in life you need to look elsewhere.

Find a girlfriend and get married if you don't like casual!!!

So a person is just supposed to accept the detrimental changes to his hobby that he loves? Who are you to say games are meant to be casual? I am going to have to tell that to the auto enthusiasts whose world is being populated by prius' that cars are just meant for transportation?

  • 11.29.2012 1:55 PM PDT


Posted by: a squiggly apple

Posted by: DatDudeBV

Posted by: a squiggly apple


OP shut up, god damn I am sick of these -blam!- essays where people seem to think that the world revolves around them, I'm sick of the fact that people in this world don't understand the process of change.


LOL. Change isnt always good.


Not for you.


Youre right.

I want to play HALO.

Not Call of duty Halo

  • 11.29.2012 1:55 PM PDT


Posted by: xImNotProx

Posted by: RebelVElite

[quote]Posted by: DarkBen64
Casuals aren't the problem. Game developers being lazy are the problem.

That's not always the case. Look at Gears of War 3 and Skyrim. Both were significantly dumbed down compared to the previous games in the series. This was because the developers wanted to get the casual audience.
Yes, but who's fault is it ultimately? The developers.

Ergo, there wouldn't be a casual audience if corners weren't cut and the problem not compounded.

  • 11.29.2012 1:56 PM PDT

.:[Jim Tuite]:.


Posted by: derka derka
They may be declining, but they're catering to the larger audience.

Do you think they care what a small percentage of gamers want? Nope.

Right? Hey everyone is buying COD lets just destroy our multiplayer by giving our nooby friends gifts when they get enough kills! We know they worked sooo hard for it. They only died 10 times but hey, they got 5 kills!

  • 11.29.2012 1:56 PM PDT

In memory of those fallen in the defense of Earth and her colonies.

March 3, 2553

All I gotta say is that lolHalo4 had 25000 players on last night.

So casuals do ruin the game.

  • 11.29.2012 1:57 PM PDT

Its gonna come back to bite them in the ass when H4s population is horrible and the game cant last because the casuals moved on to BO2

  • 11.29.2012 1:57 PM PDT


Posted by: Carthurlane
Games are meant to be casual... if your looking for a challenge in life you need to look elsewhere.

Find a girlfriend and get married if you don't like casual!!!

I'm not necessarily looking for a challenge; I just don't want games to treat me like a child who only cares about shooting things. I care about story, characters, and immersion. Gameplay is important, but I don't want to play games that solely focus on it.

  • 11.29.2012 1:58 PM PDT
  •  | 
  • Exalted Legendary Member

Without The Flood, I wouldn't know what an opinion is.

There's that word again..."casua". Ew. Only "casual" posters would use such insufficient word to describe something far more complex than simply if a person "Plays to win".

  • 11.29.2012 1:58 PM PDT

-blam!- Was that actually blammed out? Or did I just type it? You'll never know.

Don't hate the player, hate the game.

It's the devs who dumb down games and have begun homogenizing genres within themselves to get in on what's popular. They control the bar, and they've lowered it. It wasn't "casuals," the game industry was founded on casual gaming. The publishers and devs are the ones responsible for some series decline, and they could bring them back up any time they wanted.

  • 11.29.2012 1:58 PM PDT

Posted by: Seggi31
Posted by: Doctor Jensen
I've challenged my beliefs. What is the book about?


I find that this is usually untrue. If religious people honestly, diligently and intelligently challenged their beliefs, there would be no religious people.


Posted by: Tibetz
Please, stop using the word casual. Call of Duty is not a casual game, nor is any of its gameplay elements. Just because it APPEALS TO CASUAL GAMERS, does not make it casual.

Want to know why Call of Duty appeals to casuals? Because killing things is instantaneously. You shoot at it, and it dies.

Halo will never appeal to casuals again, because Call of Duty is far more appealing to someone who does not want to spend a few dozen hours becoming proficient enough to even enjoy yourself.


tl;dr: The games industry is becoming MORE robust, not less. The population numbers for the major videogame franchises of the past aren't changing much. There are just super franchises that can appeal to absolutely everyone who isn't a part of those communities, and many of those in them.
wat

  • 11.29.2012 1:58 PM PDT

Trying hard or hardly trying?

GT: oxI Sonic Ixo


Posted by: DarkBen64

Posted by: Anthony2K6

Posted by: DarkBen64

Posted by: Anthony2K6

Posted by: DaViDlIkEsPiE2
you do know you were one of those "filthy casuals" when you were younger, right? it's just the same as anything else, the older generation hates the new, rose coloured glasses, ect.

I don't believe it is that simple. You can definitely see a drop in quality across the board when it comes to challenge and focus in today's video games.
Only in AA titles. Again, it's not the demographic, it's the game developers.

I am inclined to agree even though we as consumers have the ultimate responsibility of what we feel is an acceptable product.
Yes, but we're used to games that feed us instructions on a platter.

Too true, I hope that there will always be some developers on the side that strive to make the best game possible and not cater to the biggest slice of the pie.

  • 11.29.2012 1:59 PM PDT

OP hates casuals for doing the one thing he can't seem to do.

Adapt and have fun. Isn't it weird how these Casuals can pick up a good game and enjoy it, then pick up an entirely different game and enjoy it also? Competitive players can't seem to do that. Of course developers are going to focus on a niche of players that can enjoy themselves more than another niche of players.

  • 11.29.2012 2:01 PM PDT
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:

Developers wouldn't have a reason to dumb their games down if it wasn't for the casuals. The developers are listening to what the casual majority wants, which is over-simplified gameplay that rewards you for just playing instead of having skill.

The bar is being set lower and lower because the majority of consumers want it that way.

  • 11.29.2012 2:03 PM PDT


Posted by: Anthony2K6

Posted by: DarkBen64

Posted by: Anthony2K6

Posted by: DarkBen64

Posted by: Anthony2K6

[qote]Posted by: DaViDlIkEsPiE2
you do know you were one of those "filthy casuals" when you were younger, right? it's just the same as anything else, the older generation hates the new, rose coloured glasses, ect.[/quote]
I don't believe it is that simple. You can definitely see a drop in quality across the board when it comes to challenge and focus in today's video games.
Only in AA titles. Again, it's not the demographic, it's the game developers.

I am inclined to agree even though we as consumers have the ultimate responsibility of what we feel is an acceptable product.
Yes, but we're used to games that feed us instructions on a platter.

Too true, I hope that there will always be some developers on the side that strive to make the best game possible and not cater to the biggest slice of the pie.
There are. They're called Indie developers.

  • 11.29.2012 2:05 PM PDT

Why Bungie, why would you do this?! - Halo Community

I give up trying to change and argue against series that simply want to dumb themselves down to nothing. Its just easier to pretend Halo 3 ended the series and now there is new series trying to make their own failed version of Halo called lolHalo.

Besides, once too many games go casual, some new gaming company will see that, and will start making hardcore/dedicated games for the more "hardcore" audience that don't have many games. Simple supply/demand logic.

Arena shooters have gone down the drain I guess, but there are plenty of other genres you can play. Dedicated players can usually cling to a good RTS game. While most of them are on PC, Xbox has a few, like Halo Wars, which was OK in multiplayer and really good in single player. There are many entertaining new RPG's. XCOM is -blam!- amazing.

Overall, I believe that it isn't exactly "casuals" doing the damage, but devs afraid of a little risk. (New IP's might need to be careful, but your handed the keys to deving Halo...)



  • 11.29.2012 2:05 PM PDT