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Subject: Does having a Christmas Tree in public really offend anyone???

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Posted by: Toad117
In today's day and age of butthurt, someone will complain. Doesn't offend me, however.

  • 11.29.2012 6:59 PM PDT

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Posted by: spartain ken 15
I am not trying to make this religious but I think that removing these things relating to one even to be politically "fair" makes the holidays less enjoyable for others.

People like seeing the Christmas trees, kids like meeting Santa, in our culture today this is the norm for the holidays.

Even if I didn't "believe" in the holidays, I wouldn't go out of my way to ruin traditions and make the holiday less enjoyable for others.

I don't see how something existing should make me mad if it is optional to be involved in it.

If someone gets so mad at the sight of a Christmas Tree that they demand it is taken down, they have problems or need to learn to chill.
Including others makes some people enjoy Christmas less?

okay dude, whatever you say

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Posted by: spartain ken 15Are you referring to Government-owned property? I'd like a response.

  • 11.29.2012 6:59 PM PDT

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Posted by: random no337
Posted by: MongotheRed
Posted by: King Dutchy
Posted by: spartain ken 15
It is now becoming more "politically correct" to say happy Holidays and saying "Merry Christmas" is becoming offensive. Isn't that a bit silly?
How is it silly?

It amazes me that people actually protest to have Christmas Trees removed from these places saying it offends them. How does a Tree offend you? They're upset because they're trying to prevent the monopolization of public space by Christianity.


What!?!

That's the dumbest reason I have ever heard. They could put their stuff where ever they want.

It's not like there is literally a Christmas tree every three feet.

You'd have to be an idiot to be offended by a holiday or a tree.
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What?

  • 11.29.2012 6:59 PM PDT

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Posted by: King Dutchy
It amazes me that people actually protest to have Christmas Trees removed from these places saying it offends them. How does a Tree offend you? They're upset because they're trying to prevent the monopolization of public space by Christianity.
Which is hilarious, because setting up a pine tree and decorating it has absolutely no religious significance in itself.

  • 11.29.2012 7:00 PM PDT

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Posted by: King Dutchy

Posted by: spartain ken 15Are you referring to Government-owned property? I'd like a response.


Yeah, I was watching the news and people were protesting a Christmas tree being in a "public area".

I just don't see how a Christmas Tree can enrage so many people. It is not meant to be something hateful.

I know at my college I have heard a crazy guy say "white people kill babies and we are all going to burn". Surely if that is okay, I would assume a harmless tree would be fine.

  • 11.29.2012 7:01 PM PDT

Posted by: Dropship dude
No, acnboy. Spartain Ken 15 is a lesser being. Much like the bacteria that lives in your shi­t.
Posted by: mike120593
My shi­t bacteria takes offense to that comparison.

Don't make me lel. You won't like me when I lel.

Posted by: MongotheRed
Posted by: random no337
Posted by: MongotheRed
Posted by: King Dutchy
Posted by: spartain ken 15
It is now becoming more "politically correct" to say happy Holidays and saying "Merry Christmas" is becoming offensive. Isn't that a bit silly?
How is it silly?

It amazes me that people actually protest to have Christmas Trees removed from these places saying it offends them. How does a Tree offend you? They're upset because they're trying to prevent the monopolization of public space by Christianity.


What!?!

That's the dumbest reason I have ever heard. They could put their stuff where ever they want.

It's not like there is literally a Christmas tree every three feet.

You'd have to be an idiot to be offended by a holiday or a tree.
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOSH

did you hear that?


What?
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOSH

there it is again!

  • 11.29.2012 7:02 PM PDT

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Christmas is becoming less and less of a Christian thing, I'm sure it could be argued otherwise but religion is not so much the point here.

Trees, Presents and Santa that is what Christmas means to many people, Rightly or wrongly so.

I think it is petty and small minded to start taking offence at the traditions of a country that have been around and set for longer than most of the whingers have been alive.

If I moved to Japan and kicked up a fuss about how Shintoism bothered me because they celebrate it, It would be a bad joke.

These people should be ignored as they are either stupid or real life trolling.

  • 11.29.2012 7:02 PM PDT

The main reason is the roots of Christmas. Most people these days dont believe in Jesus Christ, and considering that he is reason why we have Christmas people will be offended by anything that reminds them of Christmas. What people fail to realize however, is that this nation was founded on God, thus Christmas is technically our most important holiday as a nation. Im not saying that everybody should be christian, but scoffing at those who know the meaning of the holiday is rude, and dumb. Also, i dont see why people are offended by Christmas trees excluding the roots of Christmas. They are just pine trees with lights, cheap decorations, and in some cases food. It isnt anything to be butthurt about.

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  • 11.29.2012 7:03 PM PDT

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The issues is usually about who is paying for it. People are more than welcome to celebrate whatever they want, but it does become an issue when government starts paying tax dollars for a religious celebration that means nothing to any citizen that isn't that religion.

  • 11.29.2012 7:03 PM PDT

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Posted by: spartain ken 15

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I don't think people are offended that there is a tree, just that there is ONLY a tree. Put up a Menorah or something too and people will calm down about the trees.


The thing is Christmas seems to be loosely tied to one belief now-a-days.

It is a symbol of the holiday season and traditional to America culture.

It is not something meant to offend someone's culture, it is part of the scenery.


Except for the whole CHRIST in its name and all, with SAINT Nick and all that...

Think about it some more.

If you were here and the ONLY public holiday was celebrating the faith you weren't in...


I am not trying to make this religious but I think that removing these things relating to one even to be politically "fair" makes the holidays less enjoyable for others.

People like seeing the Christmas trees, kids like meeting Santa, in our culture today this is the norm for the holidays.

Even if I didn't "believe" in the holidays, I wouldn't go out of my way to ruin traditions and make the holiday less enjoyable for others.

I don't see how something existing should make me mad if it is optional to be involved in it.

If someone gets so mad at the sight of a Christmas Tree that they demand it is taken down, they have problems or need to learn to chill.


We are going to have to agree to disagree Ken.

Though, the thread asks why people are upset, and you just seem to want to attack the legitimacy of their anger.

By using public funds to put up only a Christmas tree, non-Christians feel excluded from society. It establishes a state sponsored religious holiday, which is something we are not supposed to do.

So, we could choose to celebrate all faiths, and not assume that everyone is Christian, or do away with the public sponsoring decorations for any holiday.

People are just mad that it appears that we are all Christian, and the only way to be in the fun is to be Christian.

  • 11.29.2012 7:03 PM PDT

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Posted by: A Deaf Boy
If someone is so politically correct that a Christmas tree offends them, then I'll do my best to shove it down their throat and offend them as much as possible.
pretty much this

  • 11.29.2012 7:03 PM PDT

Posted by: Baph117
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Just a tree with some crappy decorations? Sure. Baby Jesus in a manger? Yeah, no, GTFO.

  • 11.29.2012 7:04 PM PDT

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You bend to my will and go to a cliff, walk off, and fall.
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Posted by: random no337
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOSH

there it is again!


What's with the Flood being so childish today?

Are you going to continue being an idiot, or are you going to use what intellect you have to put together some resemblance of an explanation?

  • 11.29.2012 7:04 PM PDT

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Posted by: culexus
Christmas is becoming less and less of a Christian thing, I'm sure it could be argued otherwise but religion is not so much the point here.

Trees, Presents and Santa that is what Christmas means to many people, Rightly or wrongly so.

I think it is petty and small minded to start taking offence at the traditions of a country that have been around and set for longer than most of the whingers have been alive.

If I moved to Japan and kicked up a fuss about how Shintoism bothered me because they celebrate it, It would be a bad joke.

These people should be ignored as they are either stupid or real life trolling.


Except Japan doesn't say its an inclusive culture. They are pretty clear about it. The USA has the 1st Amendment saying we don't do these things.

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Posted by: culexus
Christmas is becoming less and less of a Christian thing, I'm sure it could be argued otherwise but religion is not so much the point here.

Trees, Presents and Santa that is what Christmas means to many people, Rightly or wrongly so.

I think it is petty and small minded to start taking offence at the traditions of a country that have been around and set for longer than most of the whingers have been alive.

If I moved to Japan and kicked up a fuss about how Shintoism bothered me because they celebrate it, It would be a bad joke.

These people should be ignored as they are either stupid or real life trolling.

Uh, Christmas is totally a Christian thing.

There's basically two types of Christmas' now:

- There's the Christian one, which deals with the birth of Jesus.
- And there's the "Christmas for everyone" which has Santa, elves, reindeer, and stuff.

The latter draws heavily from the former though.

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If you get offended by someone saying Merry Christmas it's safe to say you probably live a sad existence.

  • 11.29.2012 7:06 PM PDT

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Posted by: culexus
Christmas is becoming less and less of a Christian thing, I'm sure it could be argued otherwise but religion is not so much the point here.

Trees, Presents and Santa that is what Christmas means to many people, Rightly or wrongly so.
When you look at Christmas as described in your second point, it has no religious significance and is no different to me than the Easter bunny or Cupid.

People just don't like the fact that there are also points of religion behind some of these holidays as well as the "fun" things.

  • 11.29.2012 7:06 PM PDT


Posted by: brandorobot
If you get offended by someone saying Merry Christmas it's safe to say you probably live a sad existence.


This.

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Posted by: King Dutchy
It amazes me that people actually protest to have Christmas Trees removed from these places saying it offends them. How does a Tree offend you? They're upset because they're trying to prevent the monopolization of public space by Christianity.
Which is hilarious, because setting up a pine tree and decorating it has absolutely no religious significance in itself.
I don't care if you decide to put up religious symbols on your own private property, but what bothers me is that my taxes are being used to promote a specific religion over another (and don't say that Christmas trees aren't religious). If people protest this, That doesn't mean they they hate Christmas, it means they want to keep the government secular, which they damn well should.


Posted by: spartain ken 15

Posted by: King Dutchy

Posted by: spartain ken 15Are you referring to Government-owned property? I'd like a response.
Yeah
Then this post is directed towards you as well.

[Edited on 11.29.2012 7:10 PM PST]

  • 11.29.2012 7:07 PM PDT

They don't. It's just for money, it's okay to say Merry Christmas. Anyone who actually takes it as an offense is just mentally ill.

  • 11.29.2012 7:08 PM PDT


Posted by: spartain ken 15
If someone gets so mad at the sight of a Christmas Tree that they demand it is taken down, they have problems or need to learn to chill.


Yeah.

Except, who are these angry tree haters? Where are they? Because I still see Santa at the mall, I see him on lawns, and about 12 million different products. I hear about Christmas sales, and hear Christmas songs everywhere. Christmas is literally everywhere.

Exactly what is threatening it again? Some city calling their giant lit up tree with ornaments on it a "holiday" tree? Or the guy at the store entrance saying "Happy Holidays"?

If someone feels like this is a threat to their beliefs, they need to sit back and do some reflecting. Why do you need literally everyone to validate your beliefs by ignoring those of others, exactly? Does it somehow change who you are or what you do if someone at the entrance to Target says "Happy Holidays"?

  • 11.29.2012 7:10 PM PDT


Posted by: King Dutchy

Posted by: Rayzor1995

Posted by: King Dutchy
It amazes me that people actually protest to have Christmas Trees removed from these places saying it offends them. How does a Tree offend you? They're upset because they're trying to prevent the monopolization of public space by Christianity.
Which is hilarious, because setting up a pine tree and decorating it has absolutely no religious significance in itself.
I don't care if you decide to put up religious symbols on your own private property, but what bothers me is that my taxes are being used to promote a specific religion over another (and don't say that Christmas trees aren't religious). If people protest this, That doesn't mean they they hate Christmas, it means they want to keep the government secular, which they damn well should.
Christmad trees aren't religious and I'm catholic the are societal symbols pretty common sense here.

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Posted by: Obi Wan Stevobi
The issues is usually about who is paying for it. People are more than welcome to celebrate whatever they want, but it does become an issue when government starts paying tax dollars for a religious celebration that means nothing to any citizen that isn't that religion.

True, but since it's such a HUGE celebration and holiday, I think an exception should rightly be made. We're talking about something the overwhelming majority of the country celebrates and/or reaps the benefits from (time off work, presents, whatever).

The only people who have a legit complaint are those who, for all intents and purposes, live their life as they do any other day on the 24th and 25th.

  • 11.29.2012 7:10 PM PDT