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Subject: Why do women think they can make good soldiers?


Posted by: Batchnator95

Posted by: MrMassakka
Men are generally physically superior, but that doesn't mean women are completely incapable of being a good soldier.

I would bet money on it that everyone in the Flood would be killed in a hand-to-hand combat with a female soldier.
I disagree, I can defend my self quite well, but you just included yourself in that list as well.
Yes, I would be killed by a female soldier with hand-to-hand combat training. That's pretty clear.

And if you never learned a fighting skill in the army, police or private, you will be killed as well.

  • 11.30.2012 12:20 PM PDT

Well, I've been economical with the truth.


Posted by: Silent Breath

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When a high-velocity round impacts, destabilizes and causes an enemies skull to explode from hydro-static shock.... The fact that the finger that pulled the trigger belonged to someone who has breasts? Probably not the last concern that went through that person's brain before it splattered.

There is also a HUGE psychological statement being made if/when a society and/or military normalizes the use of women in combat roles.

For example, the IDF. By having a both-gender fighting force, they are essentially saying (to themselves, their potential enemies, and the world) we are VERY serious about our own defense and this shows just HOW serious we are.

Did you read through my thread? I already addressed the gun issue.

And utterly invalidated it by saying that menstruation makes someone incapable of fighting.

I see little point in attempting to exchange views if you're convinced of that particular one.

So basically you're being immature by disregarding my other points because you disagree with one? I assume you're an adult, so you should act like it. Explain how menstruation is okay in an infantry situation, because I know women who can hardly function when they're on their cycle due to the cramps.
Not every single women has that problem, you see they'd have to sort out a new training plan, or something along those lines to test the women before they are accepted. If they have problems you know there is medication that can be taken, if she agrees.

  • 11.30.2012 12:21 PM PDT

Posted by: Silent Breath
In what country are obese people accepted in the military?

They usually aren't accepted into any military, because they do not meet the physical requirements. However, many women can meet the physical requirements. Just because they may not exceed them as far as some of the men, doesn't mean you should disregard them entirely.

  • 11.30.2012 12:21 PM PDT
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Well, here we are. I guess that it was destined to come to this.

Posted by: Silent Breath
So basically you're being immature by disregarding my other points because you disagree with one? I assume you're an adult, so you should act like it. Explain how menstruation is okay in an infantry situation, because I know women who can hardly function when they're on their cycle due to the cramps.

I figure that if you are willing to ignore my example of an existing and VERY capable fighting force (the IDF) that has women in combat roles, then you are willing to ignore any points that don't agree with your premise and/or anecdotal ones (such as menstruation being incapacitating).

Simply put, you are not following your own opening statement of "I have an open mind".

and so, I see no point in attempting to exchange views with you.

Thanks for offering though.

  • 11.30.2012 12:22 PM PDT
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Don't do anything you wouldn't want to have to explain to paramedics. Trust me, I'm a pilot.

While, generally speaking, men tend to be stronger than women, as they are generally physically larger, your point makes no sense. If someone passes the basic requirements, why shouldn't he or she be allowed in the military?

  • 11.30.2012 12:22 PM PDT


Posted by: Silent Breath

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Posted by: Xanarxses
that logic makes no sense. And besides I don't think that soldiers are wrestling their enemies so strength isn't a very valid factor.

You clearly have no idea how warfare is conducted. Being an infantryman requires physical stamina, surviving on scarce resources for days, constantly carrying a weapon, running, lifting various equipment and hauling it everywhere, etc. Women can't do many of these things for long or without problems. Not to mention they get periods. That's a problem. A very big problem.
The difference between men and women is not too big in these requirements though. You seem to mistaken female soldiers for housewives in armor. No, the female body can be just as trained and used as the male, with generally a rather small difference. Both could patrol days through the desert and still run in a firefight.

But please don't act as if every soldier needs to have the physical abilities of a special force unit. Depending in what country you are, there are also obese people accepted and trained. And in the field, 3 obese people or 2 women are more useful than one bodybuilder.

In what country are obese people accepted in the military?
I know German soldiers who are a little. And German military has proven to be quite powerful.

Obviously they don't accept a Gaben, but if someone with a little fat runs through the tests properly, he will eventually become a soldier who kills a physically well Taliban.

  • 11.30.2012 12:23 PM PDT

hi

how does strength change how well you can shoot a gun? unless you're weak and can't lift a gun, then it makes much less difference than accuracy or tactics.

  • 11.30.2012 12:23 PM PDT

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Posted by: Recon Number 54
Posted by: Silent Breath
So basically you're being immature by disregarding my other points because you disagree with one? I assume you're an adult, so you should act like it. Explain how menstruation is okay in an infantry situation, because I know women who can hardly function when they're on their cycle due to the cramps.

I figure that if you are willing to ignore my example of an existing and VERY capable fighting force (the IDF) that has women in combat roles, then you are willing to ignore any points that don't agree with your premise and/or anecdotal ones (such as menstruation being incapacitating).

Simply put, you are not following your own opening statement of "I have an open mind".

and so, I see no point in attempting to exchange views with you.

Thanks for offering though.
Recon, why turn to the IDF for an example. Why not the US Army. Woman are, at this moment, in combat roles. They are in firefights, clear buildings, all of it.

OP sleeps under a security blanket provided by women he does not see fit to do so.

  • 11.30.2012 12:24 PM PDT
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Well, here we are. I guess that it was destined to come to this.

Posted by: Silent Breath
In what country are obese people accepted in the military?

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  • 11.30.2012 12:26 PM PDT

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Posted by: Silent Breath
Let's discuss this; I have an open mind.
Member since 11/26/2012

we have a confirmed troll, move along people.

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Well, here we are. I guess that it was destined to come to this.

Posted by: MyNameIsCharlie
Recon, why turn to the IDF for an example.

I choose the IDF because they have a longer history, higher percentages, deeper integration and have encountered/overcome/adapted to the realities of women in combat for longer than nearly any other modern army.

  • 11.30.2012 12:27 PM PDT

Studies show that men think about sex every 7 seconds. I do my best to eat hotdogs in under 6, just so things don't get weird.

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Posted by: Silent Breath

Posted by: MyNameIsCharlie
Recon, why turn to the IDF for an example. Why not the US Army. Woman are, at this moment, in combat roles. They are in firefights, clear buildings, all of it.

OP sleeps under a security blanket provided by women he does not see fit to do so.

One of my female high school friends are in the military (two if you count non combat roles). I'm willing to believe I can beat both of them in a fight, and I was on the rifle team, and I was one of the best marksmen. Then again she was good too... hmm.
See my first post in this thread.

Women are already in combat, and are already kicking ass.

  • 11.30.2012 12:28 PM PDT

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I don't want to start another account for a digital number that has no true value in ten years.

Women may not be physically strong, but they're vary tough.

Bearing a child for 9 months and birth, monthly cycles, constantly shaving, etc. Gotta respect what they go through.

  • 11.30.2012 12:28 PM PDT


Posted by: RustedEdge
bcuz they can flash the enemey and then kill them with their machine gun boobies


Yes. In times of war women shoot out not milk but bullets at high velocity from their breasts.

  • 11.30.2012 12:31 PM PDT

In all fairness, women in general (as in most but not all) are more suseptible to injury. ask any military nurse who works in the basic training camps, you get alot more women coming in because of injury, which is why they aren't on the front line.

  • 11.30.2012 12:32 PM PDT

Studies show that men think about sex every 7 seconds. I do my best to eat hotdogs in under 6, just so things don't get weird.

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Posted by: elsnben
In all fairness, women in general (as in most but not all) are more suseptible to injury. ask any military nurse who works in the basic training camps, you get alot more women coming in because of injury, which is why they aren't on the front line.
Actually, no. And they ARE on the front lines.

  • 11.30.2012 12:32 PM PDT

Posted by: The Kangol Kid
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I think the better question here is..

why do people make statements that they believe to be true, about things they obviously have no knowledge of?

That's a bigger concern.
It's clear here that people are highly misinformed.

  • 11.30.2012 12:35 PM PDT


Posted by: MyNameIsCharlie

Posted by: elsnben
In all fairness, women in general (as in most but not all) are more suseptible to injury. ask any military nurse who works in the basic training camps, you get alot more women coming in because of injury, which is why they aren't on the front line.
Actually, no. And they ARE on the front lines.

Sorry, I meant not in the infantry, which is true for britain at least, only a few women actually would want to be in the infantry however compared to the Royal corps of logistics or the royal engineers (I think a female sapper on the VC actually), and those ones would likely do better than the kids who think that the army is like CoD.

[Edited on 11.30.2012 12:37 PM PST]

  • 11.30.2012 12:35 PM PDT
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Well, here we are. I guess that it was destined to come to this.


Posted by: Silent Breath
Can't lie, this thread has made me a little more convinced that women might do alright.

Based on that statement, I am willing to withdraw mine.

Thanks for being willing to change your mind and allowing me to change mine.

  • 11.30.2012 12:36 PM PDT

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Posted by: Recon Number 54
Warfare is not always about who has the strongest footsoldiers.

It can be an important factor, but it is not the only or the most important factor. Especially as more and more weapons systems become ever "smarter" and more "stand off".


Not all women think they would make good soldiers. If a woman can meet the same acceptance criteria as a man, then why not allow her to join? That being said, we shouldn't water down our standards to accommodate women. But women could still play a beneficial role in things such as stealth operations and stuff.

Then again, having women in those roles creates some problems. They face different dangers than men if they are captured.

[Edited on 11.30.2012 12:42 PM PST]

  • 11.30.2012 12:40 PM PDT

+1 for you good sir.

I don't really care what gender you are, if you can get the job done, you should be there.

  • 11.30.2012 1:00 PM PDT