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Subject: Why do women think they can make good soldiers?

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Women can be just as efficient as soldiers as their male counterparts, but just based on physiology they can't do quite as much as males can. From a brute force standpoint, men outclass women. No contest.

Your definition of a 'good solider' is kind of vague. Do you mean a strong, physically capable solider, or a soldier who is a brilliant tactician and has the ability to calmly think and act in stressful combat situations?




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  • 11.30.2012 1:01 PM PDT

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There's tons of women that could kick my ass, along with a bunch of other guys'. I see no reason they shouldn't be soldiers if they're cut out for the position. Why do people like OP assume that all women are tiny fragile beings?

  • 11.30.2012 1:02 PM PDT

If a man is not willing to die for something then he is unfit to live.

It's 80% mental and 20% physical. You perceive women as weak and not suited for combat when they aren't weak and are more than suited for combat. I've seen women carry a 80 lb. rucksack for a week and never complain. I've seen them fire their weapon and have better marksmanship than many of the guys. When you're out in the field and you're trying to survive hygeine isn't something you're going to be worrying about it's going to be that fool hiding in an irrigation ditch waiting to ambush you. Go talk to a female Marine or female soldier see if they wont enlighten you. Also in Iraq women have been in combat situations and they do just fine.

  • 11.30.2012 1:09 PM PDT

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Posted by: MrMassakka
I would bet money on it that everyone in the Flood would be killed in a hand-to-hand combat with a female soldier.

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  • 11.30.2012 1:19 PM PDT

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Posted by: MrMassakka
I would bet money on it that everyone in the Flood would be killed in a hand-to-hand combat with a female soldier.

  • 11.30.2012 1:22 PM PDT


Posted by: MrMassakka
Men are generally physically superior, but that doesn't mean women are completely incapable of being a good soldier.

I would bet money on it that everyone in the Flood would be killed in a hand-to-hand combat with a female soldier.

Maybe cause we don't have any combat training?

  • 11.30.2012 1:39 PM PDT

Because it takes soooo much strength to pull a trigger.

Right.

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  • 11.30.2012 1:41 PM PDT

+1 for you good sir.


Posted by: MasterMar22

Posted by: MrMassakka
Men are generally physically superior, but that doesn't mean women are completely incapable of being a good soldier.

I would bet money on it that everyone in the Flood would be killed in a hand-to-hand combat with a female soldier.

Maybe cause we don't have any combat training?

  • 11.30.2012 1:41 PM PDT
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Posted by: Xanarxses
that logic makes no sense. And besides I don't think that soldiers are wrestling their enemies so strength isn't a very valid factor.

You clearly have no idea how warfare is conducted. Being an infantryman requires physical stamina, surviving on scarce resources for days, constantly carrying a weapon, running, lifting various equipment and hauling it everywhere, etc. Women can't do many of these things for long or without problems. Not to mention they get periods. That's a problem. A very big problem.

Sure... that's true to an extent, a very small extent. Women can be just as good physically as men.

  • 11.30.2012 1:44 PM PDT


Posted by: CamCamm
I think the better question here is..

why do people make statements that they believe to be true, about things they obviously have no knowledge of?

That's a bigger concern.
It's clear here that people are highly misinformed.

Then by all means, inform away.

  • 11.30.2012 2:16 PM PDT

Posted by: Silent Breath
From a physiology standpoint, it doesn't seem logical for them to be soldiers.


Sure it does. Now that it's 2012 and soldiers don't wear 200 pound plate metal armor, it's entirely logical for women to serve in combat.

They're not as strong as men and could contribute to more casualties and a waste of more resources that could be used on men.

There's more to "strength" than how much weight someone can lift. Muscle mass is only one factor is what makes someone strong. What about speed, agility, or tenacity? Different people are better suited to handle different problems.

I feel like you're thinking of the video game/ action movie military, where soldiers run off on their own and sort of charge at their enemies without too much thought to unit cohesion. Really, the only times you work as a unit in video games are short scripted sequences. Otherwise, it's shoot bad guys and watch out for yourself.

In real life, you would go to jail if you tried that. Units work together always. There's no running off on your own, even if you think it would save your life. If you can't carry as much weight, you'll have another skill that you will use.

Also, I'm not sexist. Let's discuss this; I have an open mind.

Saying "women aren't as strong as men" is the definition of sexism. Saying that you're not sexist doesn't make what you are saying not sexist, in the same way that calling a car a truck doesn't make a car a truck.

  • 11.30.2012 2:36 PM PDT

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Israel seems to do fairly well with their male and female soldiers.

  • 11.30.2012 2:38 PM PDT

They don't they just want to be "equal" in all good things while staying away from anything that would decrease the advantages society gives them.

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Don't have to be infantry to do the killings, bro.

  • 11.30.2012 2:41 PM PDT

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Because if their was a woman on the frontline with me soldiers would be more emotionally attached with her and focused on keeping her alive rather than the mission itself. Complete distraction. It's man's innate nature to protect a woman so of course that's what would happen in combat.

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Both men and women have to pass through the same physical trials and trainning to serve in combat forces, so there are no real differences in ability between genders amoung those who get in.

Is that really so hard to understand?

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  • 11.30.2012 2:43 PM PDT

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Posted by: Son of Eire
Because if their was a woman on the frontline with me soldiers would be more emotionally attached with her and focused on keeping her alive rather than the mission itself. Complete distraction. It's man's innate nature to protect a woman so of course that's what would happen in combat.


And somehow the Israelis do not have such a problem with their integrated combat units.

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Being able to pull a trigger is a gender-neutral action.

And, y'know, most of the other aspects of warfare.

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Posted by: Telec
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Posted by: Son of Eire
Because if their was a woman on the frontline with me soldiers would be more emotionally attached with her and focused on keeping her alive rather than the mission itself. Complete distraction. It's man's innate nature to protect a woman so of course that's what would happen in combat.


And somehow the Israelis do not have such a problem with their integrated combat units.


Have you seen their women?
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  • 11.30.2012 2:44 PM PDT

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Posted by: Silent Breath
From a physiology standpoint, it doesn't seem logical for them to be soldiers.


Sure it does. Now that it's 2012 and soldiers don't wear 200 pound plate metal armor, it's entirely logical for women to serve in combat.

They're not as strong as men and could contribute to more casualties and a waste of more resources that could be used on men.

There's more to "strength" than how much weight someone can lift. Muscle mass is only one factor is what makes someone strong. What about speed, agility, or tenacity? Different people are better suited to handle different problems.

I feel like you're thinking of the video game/ action movie military, where soldiers run off on their own and sort of charge at their enemies without too much thought to unit cohesion. Really, the only times you work as a unit in video games are short scripted sequences. Otherwise, it's shoot bad guys and watch out for yourself.

In real life, you would go to jail if you tried that. Units work together always. There's no running off on your own, even if you think it would save your life. If you can't carry as much weight, you'll have another skill that you will use.

Also, I'm not sexist. Let's discuss this; I have an open mind.

Saying "women aren't as strong as men" is the definition of sexism. Saying that you're not sexist doesn't make what you are saying not sexist, in the same way that calling a car a truck doesn't make a car a truck.


Actually its not sexism, its fact. On average, woman tend not to be as strong as men because of how there body is built. That doesn't mean all men are stronger then women. Though some woman are stronger then certain men, that doesn't change the fact that generally speaking, men are stronger.

It's science man.

  • 11.30.2012 2:44 PM PDT

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Does being physically stronger matter that much in an era of warfare that doesn't use broadswords anymore?

There will always be the soldier that is stronger than the other guys and the soldier that is weaker than the other guys. Armies have gotten along fine, and those soldiers are normally as trusted in combat as any other soldier. Melee combat (as rare as it is now) is more about knowing how to use all of your strength to your advantage than how much you can lift.

Posted by: haloplayer2kill
Actually its not sexism, its fact. On average, woman tend not to be as strong as men because of how there body is built. That doesn't mean all men are stronger then women. Though some woman are stronger then certain men, that doesn't change the fact that generally speaking, men are stronger.

It's science man.
Well, actually, that's statistics. Which is a science, but not in the way I think you meant the term.

Besides, just because that's the averages over the course of society doesn't mean that women are predisposed to be less physically strong than men, or at least not in a way that is significant to a military soldier. If after boot camp and years of service a male soldier can, on average, lift 250 pounds, and a female soldier could, on average, only life 230 pounds, it's not that big of a problem.

Your statement is correct, though. Women are on average going to be weaker than men. I just don't think you can necessarily claim that gender is the cause, but maybe there is research proves me wrong.

[Edited on 11.30.2012 2:54 PM PST]

  • 11.30.2012 2:46 PM PDT

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Posted by: haloplayer2kill

Actually its not sexism, its fact. On average, woman tend not to be as strong as men because of how there body is built. That doesn't mean all men are stronger then women. Though some woman are stronger then certain men, that doesn't change the fact that generally speaking, men are stronger.

It's science man.
Just because men are, on average, stronger than women, is not a good reason to keep all women out of combat situations.

  • 11.30.2012 2:46 PM PDT
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Posted by: haloplayer2kill
Actually its not sexism, its fact. On average, woman tend not to be as strong as men because of how there body is built. That doesn't mean all men are stronger then women. Though some woman are stronger then certain men, that doesn't change the fact that generally speaking, men are stronger.

It's science man.


A science that in this case is irrelavent. A women joining the military has to complete the same training courses and trials as a man, so your view of an 'adverage' woman doesn't really apply to those who get into the military.

[Edited on 11.30.2012 2:48 PM PST]

  • 11.30.2012 2:47 PM PDT

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There was a story somewhere about a commander of a group of American forces that went into a town and had a volunteer female blond soldier dance on top of the vehical. The villager's men would gather around and he had his translator bid the female soldier off for sale and after every "bid" he would tell them the price wasn't high enough and after a couple hours tell them he'd come back and just leave. No harm to the brave lady soldier, no harm to any other soldiers under his command.

He did this to several villages before his superiors caught on and he was reprimanded for it.

The point of it all is as follows: While she was dancing on the tank, or just looking pretty and all the village's men were out bidding without their wives, most of his soldiers would come in the backs of houses and take the guns the village men left behind to bid. They were disarming the towns this way.

I'd like to see a male soldier do that xD

  • 11.30.2012 2:47 PM PDT