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Subject: Why do women think they can make good soldiers?

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: Son of Eire
Because if their was a woman on the frontline with me soldiers would be more emotionally attached with her and focused on keeping her alive rather than the mission itself. Complete distraction. It's man's innate nature to protect a woman so of course that's what would happen in combat.


And somehow the Israelis do not have such a problem with their integrated combat units.

Israel isn't America first off. Israel is practically fighting for their lives like they always have. They're whole history has been war. No -blam!- that everyone who can carry a rifle is a soldier. They're are literally defending their country what choice do they have?

  • 11.30.2012 2:48 PM PDT

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Strength hasn't really been the point of warfare since the middle age...

It's about aim and reflexes.

And I can guarantee that there are women that are better suited for military than some men..

  • 11.30.2012 2:48 PM PDT
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Not always about the strength. My father (who fought in vietnam) always told me that even in warfare the smarter always has the upper hand.

If not strength or tactical decisions in stressful moments it could be precision.

  • 11.30.2012 2:48 PM PDT

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Posted by: Son of Eire
Israel isn't America first off. Israel is practically fighting for their lives like they always have. They're whole history has been war. No -blam!- that everyone who can carry a rifle is a soldier. They're are literally defending their country what choice do they have?


Doesn't matter, it shows integrated combat units are possible. Just because you would probably be stupid enough to risk your life specifically because of somebodies gender, and not because they are your battle buddy, shouldn't mean women can't serve in active combat roles.

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Posted by: squirrel dude
Does being physically stronger matter that much in an era of warfare that doesn't use broadswords anymore?


Kinda.
Believe me when I say that a fully loaded bergen, body armour, rifle and belt can be quite a heavy load. Not stupidly heavy but certainly prohibitive. It slows down men significantly, I'd do moreso for women.

  • 11.30.2012 2:50 PM PDT

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Posted by: squirrel dude
Does being physically stronger matter that much in an era of warfare that doesn't use broadswords anymore?


Kinda.
Believe me when I say that a fully loaded bergen, body armour, rifle and belt can be quite a heavy load. Not stupidly heavy but certainly prohibitive. It slows down men significantly, I'd do moreso for women.


I heard the military has actual designed gear that is better suited for female soldiers, so it probably wouldn't be as strenuous. No more so proportionally to a man anyway.

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Posted by: Saphir Eagle
Strength hasn't really been the point of warfare since the middle age...

It's about aim and reflexes.

And I can guarantee that there are women that are better suited for military than some men..


These days it's more about being able to hit them with the most devastating weapon and from the longest distance.

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Posted by: Swagoth Ur


A science that in this case is irrelavent. A women joining the military has to complete the same training courses and trials as a man, so your view of an 'adverage' woman doesn't really apply to those who get into the military.


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Women recruits get it easier*

*If judging purely from numbers as they are granted considerations for their gender. Men and women don't do the same PT

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Posted by: Silent Breath
From a physiology standpoint, it doesn't seem logical for them to be soldiers. They're not as strong as men and could contribute to more casualties and a waste of more resources that could be used on men. Also, I'm not sexist. Let's discuss this; I have an open mind.


While it's true that on average, women are not as strong as men, there are strong women out there...women stronger than you. I'm not talking about bodybuilders either, I mean regular women. So as long as they complete basic training and pass all of that other stuff, what exactly is your problem?

  • 11.30.2012 2:54 PM PDT
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Posted by: Telec
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

I heard the military has actual designed gear that is better suited for female soldiers, so it probably wouldn't be as strenuous. No more so proportionally to a man anyway.


If they were frontline then it wouldn't matter, they'd still have the exact same item requirements. A loaded Bergen is still a burden after a few miles.
I have no doubts that a lot of women would make great frontline soldiers, but from my experience it would be that bit harder for them, and that could potentially be an issue

  • 11.30.2012 2:56 PM PDT

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Posted by: squirrel dude
Does being physically stronger matter that much in an era of warfare that doesn't use broadswords anymore?

Kinda.
Believe me when I say that a fully loaded bergen, body armour, rifle and belt can be quite a heavy load. Not stupidly heavy but certainly prohibitive. It slows down men significantly, I'd do moreso for women.
I don't doubt it at all.

I just don't think that women would be worn down in a way that was significantly worse that men. Not in a way that should limit them from joining the military. Also, as I said earlier about combat that actually takes place at close range, it's less about how strong you are, and more about knowing how to use your strength. Beyond that it's more about being able to think under pressure and act quickly, which should come from good training.


I'll also say this, if we're on the topic of traits associated with gender, what about the mental and emotional advantages women have over men. Women tend to be more compassionate, multitask better, and communicate more easily. Aren't these the qualities we would want in soldiers? Especially in the U.S. world police army, UN Peacekeeping forces, and other forces that are beginning to use armies to try and do more humanitarian work?

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  • 11.30.2012 2:58 PM PDT


Posted by: haloplayer2kill

Actually its not sexism, its fact. On average, woman tend not to be as strong as men because of how there body is built. That doesn't mean all men are stronger then women. Though some woman are stronger then certain men, that doesn't change the fact that generally speaking, men are stronger.

It's science man.


As I clearly pointed out in my post, strength isn't just about how much weight you can lift.

  • 11.30.2012 2:59 PM PDT

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I would not want a female with me in Afghanistan unless she can hump her own weight. The terrain was to rocky for us to bring any vehicles with us so we had to carry 80lb rucks up and down mountains. This doesn't include the weapons and ammo we had to hump as well. Imagine how the M240B soldier felt having to hump that bulky ass machine gun. We had to distribute his 7.62 ammo to another soldier who served as his ammo bearer.

And whoever said frontline combat is not about strength anymore is just downright wrong. Think about it like this: You're bounding down the street and your squad is split with several fireteams. We get into contact and a soldier goes down, unfortunately that 200lb soldier's fireteam buddy is a female soldier that can't quite drag him to safety. I did I forget to mention you have to secure his 80lbs of equipment and not to mention his IOTV which weighs an additionally 40lbs is strapped to him, oh and for fun let's say he was wielding the M240B. The female has to drag him to safety because the rest of the squad is pinned down. What now? Frontline Warfare requires strength.

Here's another scenario: Your Bradley catches fire from an IED and the Gunner and TC are knocked unconscious, the female driver is conscious. She now has to climb on top of the turret and drag both 200lb men out of the hatches.

Take it from a soldier whose had experience with this.

  • 11.30.2012 3:00 PM PDT

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Since it looks like this argument is flaring up with a fresh crop of idiots, I will just repeat what I said earlier.

Women are already serving on the front lines in the US Army. They may not be Infantry, but they are MP's. And, in Iraq and Afghanistan, MP duty is front line.

My younger brother is a 1st LT MP in the Army National Guard, and he rotated back from Afghanistan a year ago. During his time their his unit was in combat twice, and in both times the women did their job as well as the men.

You guys talk like you know what a soldier's life is. You don't.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Sure, a woman would have found the battlefields of WWI and WWII too difficult. But we haven't waged war like that in decades. In the wars of today and tomorrow, women are and will always be soldiers.

There is no such thing as a female in the Army. There are just soldiers who happen to be female.

And if you think that woman can't hack it because they are inferior to you, I suggest you man up, grow a pair and join up. Lets see you prove you are better than the women who have already served in combat duty, chicken hawk.

  • 11.30.2012 3:00 PM PDT

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

I heard the military has actual designed gear that is better suited for female soldiers, so it probably wouldn't be as strenuous. No more so proportionally to a man anyway.


If they were frontline then it wouldn't matter, they'd still have the exact same item requirements. A loaded Bergen is still a burden after a few miles.
I have no doubts that a lot of women would make great frontline soldiers, but from my experience it would be that bit harder for them, and that could potentially be an issue


No doubt, but I do believe that if they wish to prove themselves they should get the chance.

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Posted by: Telec
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Posted by: squirrel dude
Posted by: deltahalo UK
Posted by: squirrel dude
Does being physically stronger matter that much in an era of warfare that doesn't use broadswords anymore?

Kinda.
Believe me when I say that a fully loaded bergen, body armour, rifle and belt can be quite a heavy load. Not stupidly heavy but certainly prohibitive. It slows down men significantly, I'd do moreso for women.
I don't doubt it at all.

I just don't think that women would be worn down in a way that was significantly worse that men. Not in a way that should limit them from joining the military. Also, as I said earlier about combat that actually takes place at close range, it's less about how strong you are, and more about knowing how to use your strength. Beyond that it's more about being able to think under pressure and act quickly, which should come from good training.


I'll also say this, if we're on the topic of traits associated with gender, what about the mental and emotional advantages women have over men. Women tend to be more compassionate, multitask better, and communicate more easily. Aren't these the qualities we would want in soldiers? Especially in the U.S. world police army, UN Peacekeeping forces, and other forces that are beginning to use armies to try and do more humanitarian work?


Don't get me wrong, I think that if anyone proves themselves capable, they should be given a fair crack of the whip, all I'm trying to say is that they would be expected to be equal to men in all things, and for physical strength they would simply have to try a lot harder to match their male colleagues.

A woman is afforded something like a 14 minute mile and a half for entrance here, where I was afforded <11, and realistically due to the grading system required a sub 9. During basic/ P2 they would have to be integrated into male training too, and expected to match their counterparts. There would be a significant mismatch but I think that if they can complete it, why the -blam!- not?

  • 11.30.2012 3:04 PM PDT

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Well, now a days, strength doesn't matter nearly as much as just being able to point a gun at somebody a really far distance away.

I mean, if it was back when there were swords or hand to hand stuff, than yeah, that would be silly.

Just be strong enough to maneuver with your equipment, and there you go.

[Edited on 11.30.2012 3:15 PM PST]

  • 11.30.2012 3:14 PM PDT

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Posted by: Swagoth Ur


A science that in this case is irrelavent. A women joining the military has to complete the same training courses and trials as a man, so your view of an 'adverage' woman doesn't really apply to those who get into the military.


Nop

Women recruits get it easier*

*If judging purely from numbers as they are granted considerations for their gender. Men and women don't do the same PT
They have the same PT just different standards, is what you meant.

Women don't have to do the same amount push ups or run as fast, for example.

[Edited on 11.30.2012 3:33 PM PST]

  • 11.30.2012 3:26 PM PDT


Posted by: Silent Breath
From a physiology standpoint, it doesn't seem logical for them to be soldiers. They're not as strong as men and could contribute to more casualties and a waste of more resources that could be used on men. Also, I'm not sexist. Let's discuss this; I have an open mind.


As long as they can shoot-to-kill, then strength is unimportant as in war you're never really in hand-to-hand combat unlike Jet Li in the beginning of The Expendable 2 and also in the new rambo film whereby he slices open someone's throat and then rips out someone's with his finger nails.

  • 11.30.2012 3:29 PM PDT

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Because if men can go out and die for their country, then woman should be able to too. That's just the way it is in America. Anyways, warfare isn't all about who has the most strength, it's about which side can implement their strengths more strategically.

It also has to do with tactics.

  • 11.30.2012 3:30 PM PDT