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Posted by: Telec
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Posted by: CamCamm

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Posted by: Swagoth Ur


A science that in this case is irrelavent. A women joining the military has to complete the same training courses and trials as a man, so your view of an 'adverage' woman doesn't really apply to those who get into the military.


Nop

Women recruits get it easier*

*If judging purely from numbers as they are granted considerations for their gender. Men and women don't do the same PT
They have the same PR just different standards, is what you meant.

Women don't have to do the same amount push ups or run as fast, for example.


Same difficulty no doubt, different figures
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  • 11.30.2012 3:31 PM PDT

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Because when you're in a life and death situation the last thing you want is for your entire squad to have that time of the month.

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  • 11.30.2012 3:31 PM PDT

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Posted by: CamCamm
Women don't have to do the same amount push ups or run as fast, for example.
This doesn't apply to every military out there.

  • 11.30.2012 3:31 PM PDT

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Posted by: CamCamm
Women don't have to do the same amount push ups or run as fast, for example.
This doesn't apply to every military out there.
It applies to every branch in America.

On the topic of PT standards, there's a bigger problem with the military using pushups and situps to judge fitness.

  • 11.30.2012 3:33 PM PDT

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Posted by: Gamer Whale

Posted by: CamCamm
Women don't have to do the same amount push ups or run as fast, for example.
This doesn't apply to every military out there.
Sure. Which military out there has the same PT standards for both male and female recruits?
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Posted by: Gamer Whale

Posted by: CamCamm
Women don't have to do the same amount push ups or run as fast, for example.
This doesn't apply to every military out there.
It applies to every branch in America.

On the topic of PT standards, there's a bigger problem with the military using pushups and situps to judge fitness.
I agree. So do many recruiters even, believe it or not.

[Edited on 11.30.2012 3:36 PM PST]

  • 11.30.2012 3:35 PM PDT

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  • 11.30.2012 3:35 PM PDT

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Posted by: CamCamm

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Posted by: CamCamm
Women don't have to do the same amount push ups or run as fast, for example.
This doesn't apply to every military out there.
Sure. Which military out there has the same PT standards for both male and female recruits?


Doesn't matter.

The run is the same. Sure push-ups and sit-ups is at a lesser amount, but so what? Can they aim an M-4 or carry their ruck?

If so, who cares about the number of push-ups needed to max a PT test.

  • 11.30.2012 3:37 PM PDT

Posted by: The Kangol Kid
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Posted by: deltahalo UK
Get off my back (for the second time in a day)
no idea what you're talking about :)

  • 11.30.2012 3:38 PM PDT
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Posted by: Telec
Remember kids: when Uncle Delta tells you he has sweeties, he isn't lying.

Now get in the van.


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Posted by: CamCamm

Posted by: Gamer Whale

Posted by: CamCamm
Women don't have to do the same amount push ups or run as fast, for example.
This doesn't apply to every military out there.
Sure. Which military out there has the same PT standards for both male and female recruits?


Doesn't matter.

The run is the same. Sure push-ups and sit-ups is at a lesser amount, but so what? Can they aim an M-4 or carry their ruck?

If so, who cares about the number of push-ups needed to max a PT test.


It would, however, be reasonable to question the endurance abilities in carrying their ruck for an entire patrol (i.e 12 hours)

  • 11.30.2012 3:38 PM PDT

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Gach rud mo creideamh ea etfilu Dia.

What if you go down and the only one nearby is a female soldier. How is she gonna drag that 200lb man plus 80lb kit to safety?

How is she going to pull a man out of a burning tank?

  • 11.30.2012 3:39 PM PDT

Posted by: The Kangol Kid
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Posted by: CamCamm

Posted by: Gamer Whale

Posted by: CamCamm
Women don't have to do the same amount push ups or run as fast, for example.
This doesn't apply to every military out there.
Sure. Which military out there has the same PT standards for both male and female recruits?


Doesn't matter.

The run is the same. Sure push-ups and sit-ups is at a lesser amount, but so what? Can they aim an M-4 or carry their ruck?

If so, who cares about the number of push-ups needed to max a PT test.
They don't have to run as fast as the men. Would you say that's fair or wouldn't be a problem?

  • 11.30.2012 3:40 PM PDT

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Posted by: deltahalo UK

Posted by: MyNameIsCharlie

Posted by: CamCamm

Posted by: Gamer Whale

Posted by: CamCamm
Women don't have to do the same amount push ups or run as fast, for example.
This doesn't apply to every military out there.
Sure. Which military out there has the same PT standards for both male and female recruits?


Doesn't matter.

The run is the same. Sure push-ups and sit-ups is at a lesser amount, but so what? Can they aim an M-4 or carry their ruck?

If so, who cares about the number of push-ups needed to max a PT test.


It would, however, be reasonable to question the endurance abilities in carrying their ruck for an entire patrol (i.e 12 hours)


Have you been in the military or have taken a PT test?

The score really has nothing to do with whether or not the soldier in question can carry a ruck or aim a rifle. Can they do a job? That's the only question that matters.

The PT question comes up with numbers minded CO's that promote their people on a number than on performance. PT scores can make or break someone not attached to a combat unit.

  • 11.30.2012 3:41 PM PDT

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Posted by: CamCamm

Posted by: MyNameIsCharlie

Posted by: CamCamm

Posted by: Gamer Whale

Posted by: CamCamm
Women don't have to do the same amount push ups or run as fast, for example.
This doesn't apply to every military out there.
Sure. Which military out there has the same PT standards for both male and female recruits?


Doesn't matter.

The run is the same. Sure push-ups and sit-ups is at a lesser amount, but so what? Can they aim an M-4 or carry their ruck?

If so, who cares about the number of push-ups needed to max a PT test.
They don't have to run as fast as the men. Would you say that's fair or wouldn't be a problem?
Can they run as fast as needed?

That's the only question.

And Camm, you know that women are serving right now in combat zones. You know they are trading shots with the Taliban. They get hit with the IED's and the mortar attacks, just like the men do. PT scores don't mean much when you wear the k-pot and flack vest.

  • 11.30.2012 3:43 PM PDT

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I'm not even sure why there's talk of pushups and situps when combat qualification requires a combat fitness/readiness(USMC) test that is more rigorous.

Posted by: Silent Breath
So bench presses and squats? What exactly should we use then?
Elimination of the standard PRT/PFT/PFA/whatever the Army does. It is almost exclusively irrelevant to combat standards. The CFT/CRT mentioned above are good alternatives and do better at demonstrating fitness.

[Edited on 11.30.2012 3:47 PM PST]

  • 11.30.2012 3:44 PM PDT

Posted by: The Kangol Kid
It was then that I decided he really is like semen(everywhere) and I gave up on life.


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Posted by: deltahalo UK

Posted by: MyNameIsCharlie


Doesn't matter.

The run is the same. Sure push-ups and sit-ups is at a lesser amount, but so what? Can they aim an M-4 or carry their ruck?

If so, who cares about the number of push-ups needed to max a PT test.


It would, however, be reasonable to question the endurance abilities in carrying their ruck for an entire patrol (i.e 12 hours)


Have you been in the military or have taken a PT test?

The score really has nothing to do with whether or not the soldier in question can carry a ruck or aim a rifle. Can they do a job? That's the only question that matters.

The PT question comes up with numbers minded CO's that promote their people on a number than on performance. PT scores can make or break someone not attached to a combat unit.
I think PT is a big part of being in the military and should be a crucial part in being in. Physical training plays a huge role in damn near every job in the military.

Yes, I know women have combat roles. I'm not saying they can't do it but I'm not saying there aren't things that women just simply shouldn't do.

But that comes more from a personal opinion rather than rules an regulations.

[Edited on 11.30.2012 3:47 PM PST]

  • 11.30.2012 3:44 PM PDT
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Posted by: Telec
Remember kids: when Uncle Delta tells you he has sweeties, he isn't lying.

Now get in the van.


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Posted by: MyNameIsCharlie

Have you been in the military or have taken a PT test?


Yes

The score really has nothing to do with whether or not the soldier in question can carry a ruck or aim a rifle. Can they do a job? That's the only question that matters.

I agree with that. As I said on the previous page, if anyone, regardless of gender, proves themselves capable, why shouldn't they be given the opportunity? All I've ever said in this thread is that the effort required would be significantly greater for a woman to match up to the physical requirements of their male colleagues should they be allowed entrance to frontline soldiering.

The PT question comes up with numbers minded CO's that promote their people on a number than on performance. PT scores can make or break someone not attached to a combat unit.

Well not really. A PT score can stand someone in good stead, or should they fail or perform badly, can affect their career negatively, but for the most part that is due to the implication of lethargy or effort. Providing you show progress (and are passing) it is unlikely your PT performances will ever really be worth consideration if you're not in a combat role

  • 11.30.2012 3:46 PM PDT

Studies show that men think about sex every 7 seconds. I do my best to eat hotdogs in under 6, just so things don't get weird.

Please allow me to introduce Myself
I'm a man of wealth and taste
I've been around for a long, long year
Stole many a man's soul and faith


Posted by: Silent Breath

Posted by: MyNameIsCharlie

Basically this guy want's nothing but the bare minimum. Nice logic for life and death situations.
I beg your pardon, where you in the military?

I was. So has nearly everyone in my family.

Speak from what you know about.

  • 11.30.2012 3:46 PM PDT

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Posted by: Son of Eire
What if you go down and the only one nearby is a female soldier. How is she gonna drag that 200lb man plus 80lb kit to safety?

How is she going to pull a man out of a burning tank?
As easily as a male who has equal strenght. Gender doesn't matter, the strenght one has does.

  • 11.30.2012 3:49 PM PDT