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Subject: So I just watched Looper *Spoilers*
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And I gotta say that movie didn't end the way I thought it would. There isn't really a resolution, we don't really get a feel for how evil the "rainmaker" is to justify the main character sacrificing himself to stop him from becoming evil.

Joe's story also doesn't get a resolution, he never meets his Asian wife, and they never fall in love. Quite depressing.

How it should have ended. Past Joe convinced his future self not to kill the boy, once he decides not to kill the boy, future Joe would immediately disappear because he wouldn't have been sent back in time in the first place. Past Joe and the hot ranch girl have sex one more time and then part ways.

Past Joe moves to Asia and meets the Asian lady. The kid is raised correctly and doesn't take over the world.

Problem solved?

  • 11.30.2012 6:55 PM PDT

Sometimes, I dream about cheese.

How about everyone dies, aliens take over.

  • 11.30.2012 7:03 PM PDT

I thought the plot was fine. The sudden abrupt ending was stupid. What they should have done was show what happens to rainmaker over the next 30 years like it did for Joe. Instead of using his powers to become a mighty druglord he uses them to help people.

  • 11.30.2012 7:13 PM PDT

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My first thought: young Joe should have just shot his hand off.

Second thought: actually, by stopping old Joe, young Joe ensured that the kid would become the Rainmaker. In old Joe's timeline, nobody killed the kid's mum, and he turned evil. If his mum died, it would have spurred him to become a superhero, leading to an awesome sequel with much less confusing time-travel.

  • 11.30.2012 7:17 PM PDT
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The ending is abrupt and ambiguous on purpose. It's to let you imagine what the Rainmaker will become because of Joe's interaction with him.

And future joe's story is MEANT to be depressing. Jesus, it's like you expect everything to be sunshine and lollipops.

[Edited on 11.30.2012 7:22 PM PST]

  • 11.30.2012 7:21 PM PDT

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I think the action to drama ration was way skewed (too much drama, not enough action).

Also, the nudity to clothing ratio for the females in the movie was way too off (too much clothing).

  • 11.30.2012 7:21 PM PDT

I believe the Rainmaker stopped himself from becoming the Rainmaker by sending future Joe to the past. That's a paradox that didn't make sense to me.

  • 11.30.2012 7:21 PM PDT

It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll.
I am the master of my fate:
I am the captain of my soul.

I thought it was an amazing movie, and it is supposed to be depressing.

And it certainly is supposed to make you think. In that respect it was one of the best movies I've ever seen.

  • 11.30.2012 7:24 PM PDT

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While I loved the film, I really didn't get the way time travel was shown in it. The carvings on the arm show that what happens to past guy happens to future guy right? So if past guy doesn't want to kill the kid at the end, doesn't that mean future guy should have disappeared because there was no reason for him to go back?

  • 11.30.2012 7:25 PM PDT

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Posted by: o0 KEV1N 0o
While I loved the film, I really didn't get the way time travel was shown in it. The carvings on the arm show that what happens to past guy happens to future guy right? So if past guy doesn't want to kill the kid at the end, doesn't that mean future guy should have disappeared because there was no reason for him to go back?


He did...

  • 11.30.2012 7:26 PM PDT

"There's a very fine line between not listening, and not caring. I'd like to think that I walk that line every day."

I really liked the ending.

And, early in the film, when the Rainmaker is being discussed, it actually is speculated that he saw his mother be murdered. And I'm pretty sure that it's also mentioned that the Rainmaker was using his powers to kill thousands, or more, in his takeover.

[Edited on 11.30.2012 7:28 PM PST]

  • 11.30.2012 7:27 PM PDT
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Posted by: ErranInfigo
The ending is abrupt and ambiguous on purpose. It's to let you imagine what the Rainmaker will become because of Joe's interaction with him.

And future joe's story is MEANT to be depressing. Jesus, it's like you expect everything to be sunshine and lollipops.

I was expressing my opinion that the main character sacrificed himself for nothing, we don't know how evil the rainmaker is. It just seemed pointless.

  • 11.30.2012 7:27 PM PDT
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Posted by: BROWN HAWK
I really liked the ending.

And, early in the film, when the Rainmaker is being discussed, it's speculated that he saw his mother be murdered. And I'm pretty sure that it's also mentioned that the Rainmaker was using his powers to kill thousands, or more.

Yeah but Sid says he already saw his mom die before his real mom died, remember?

  • 11.30.2012 7:28 PM PDT

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Posted by: o0 KEV1N 0o
While I loved the film, I really didn't get the way time travel was shown in it. The carvings on the arm show that what happens to past guy happens to future guy right? So if past guy doesn't want to kill the kid at the end, doesn't that mean future guy should have disappeared because there was no reason for him to go back?


He did...

No, he disappeared because he killed himself.
Bruce Willis was only there because the Rainmaker killed his wife. When past guy starts protecting the kid, this means he won't become the Rainmaker as we know him, because his mom will survive. If the kid doesn't become the Rainmaker, Willis has no reason to come back. So the second the past guy decided to protect him instead of kill him (and instead kill the mother) he should have disappeared. No hilarious suicide necessary.

  • 11.30.2012 7:29 PM PDT

"There's a very fine line between not listening, and not caring. I'd like to think that I walk that line every day."

Posted by: Nuchey
Yeah but Sid says he already saw his mom die before his real mom died, remember?
Right. And I'm pretty sure that she was killed, which was the reason his biological mom, Sara, came to take care of him again.

But then he comes to realize, in the moments before he's about to kill Sara and old Joe, that she truly is his mother, so he doesn't feel quite so vindictive, probably.

[Edited on 11.30.2012 7:31 PM PST]

  • 11.30.2012 7:30 PM PDT
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Posted by: CharlesBrown33
I believe the Rainmaker stopped himself from becoming the Rainmaker by sending future Joe to the past. That's a paradox that didn't make sense to me.

Wait a second. You're right. The rainmaker met Joe was he was a kid, and knew that it was Joe's future self that killed his mom. Hmmmm interesting, I guess he figured he had to send old Joe(Bruce Willis) back in time, other wise he would have never seen his mom die and he would have never became the rainmaker.

So basically, the Rainmaker sent Old Joe back in time on purpose, but it backfired on him.

  • 11.30.2012 7:32 PM PDT

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Posted by: BROWN HAWK
I really liked the ending.

And, early in the film, when the Rainmaker is being discussed, it's speculated that he saw his mother be murdered. And I'm pretty sure that it's also mentioned that the Rainmaker was using his powers to kill thousands, or more.

Yeah but Sid says he already saw his mom die before his real mom died, remember?
I'm pretty sure during that speculation it was said that he saw his mom get shot to death, his first "mom" died because he lost control of his powers.

[Edited on 11.30.2012 7:35 PM PST]

  • 11.30.2012 7:34 PM PDT

"There's a very fine line between not listening, and not caring. I'd like to think that I walk that line every day."

Posted by: Hokage123679
I'm pretty sure during that speculation it was said that he saw his mom get shot to death, his first "mom" died because he accidentally lost control of his powers.
Ah, I forgot about that.

I mean, I'd just like to think that Joe's actions had a profoundly good effect, and that he didn't sacrifice himself for naught.

  • 11.30.2012 7:35 PM PDT
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Posted by: Hokage123679

Posted by: Nuchey

Posted by: BROWN HAWK
I really liked the ending.

And, early in the film, when the Rainmaker is being discussed, it's speculated that he saw his mother be murdered. And I'm pretty sure that it's also mentioned that the Rainmaker was using his powers to kill thousands, or more.

Yeah but Sid says he already saw his mom die before his real mom died, remember?
I'm pretty sure during that speculation it was said that he saw his mom get shot to death, his first "mom" died because he accidentally lost control of his powers.

Yes I was talking about the first mom dying. Towards the start of the movie, we know 3 things about the rainmaker.
1. He has a synthetic jaw
2. He saw his mother die.
3. He is apparently a super evil guy who takes over the world.

  • 11.30.2012 7:37 PM PDT

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Posted by: Nuchey

Posted by: BROWN HAWK
I really liked the ending.

And, early in the film, when the Rainmaker is being discussed, it's speculated that he saw his mother be murdered. And I'm pretty sure that it's also mentioned that the Rainmaker was using his powers to kill thousands, or more.

Yeah but Sid says he already saw his mom die before his real mom died, remember?
I'm pretty sure during that speculation it was said that he saw his mom get shot to death, his first "mom" died because he accidentally lost control of his powers.

Yes I was talking about the first mom dying. Towards the start of the movie, we know 3 things about the rainmaker.
1. He has a synthetic jaw
2. He saw his mother die.
3. He is apparently a super evil guy who takes over the world.
Ah my bad. Though I thought he became the rainmaker since his real mother was shot by old joe. Though I guess that would really depend on how time travel works in the movie. I mean one thing that I wondered when watching this was whether the rainmaker actually became the rainmaker because old joe shot his mom? I am of course talking about the one in Old Joe's time.

Overall though to me it wasn't that the rainmaker was evil that caused young Joe to kill himself, it was more that if the rainmaker was allowed to exist young joe would have to go through this ordeal of turning into old joe, which to me seemed to be his main motivation. Though i could be wrong, that is how I saw it when I first watched the movie.

Also I also thought the ending was pretty good. I'm not sure I would like the happy ending where all is well, to me Young Joe killing himself was something I didn't see coming and was IMO a good ending to the movie.

[Edited on 11.30.2012 7:45 PM PST]

  • 11.30.2012 7:39 PM PDT

"There's a very fine line between not listening, and not caring. I'd like to think that I walk that line every day."

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Posted by: Nuchey
Yeah but Sid says he already saw his mom die before his real mom died, remember?
I'm pretty sure during that speculation it was said that he saw his mom get shot to death, his first "mom" died because he accidentally lost control of his powers.

Yes I was talking about the first mom dying. Towards the start of the movie, we know 3 things about the rainmaker.
1. He has a synthetic jaw
2. He saw his mother die.
3. He is apparently a super evil guy who takes over the world.
Ah my bad. Though I thought he became the rainmaker since his real mother was shot by old joe. Though I guess that would really depend on how time travel works in the movie.
I've been thinking the whole time that he became the Rainmaker due to the fact that old Joe would have shot Sara, which probably would have sealed the deal, like Joe thought.

But I guess that doesn't make quite as much sense, seeing as old Joe didn't shoot . . . . ah, hell, I'm getting all confused with time travel again. Every time I watch/read about time travel events, I find myself running circles around in my head.

I'm so glad that I never really think too hard about these sorts of things.

[Edited on 11.30.2012 7:43 PM PST]

  • 11.30.2012 7:42 PM PDT

The movie didn't actually make any sense at all with respect to time travel. But it was still pretty good.

  • 11.30.2012 7:46 PM PDT

ending ruined the entire movie for me.

  • 11.30.2012 7:48 PM PDT
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Posted by: Technoxious
The movie didn't actually make any sense at all with respect to time travel. But it was still pretty good.

How didn't it make sense?

  • 12.01.2012 9:17 PM PDT
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They did really well in making Joseph Gordon-Levitt not look like Joseph Gordon-Levitt

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  • 12.01.2012 10:15 PM PDT

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