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now how is anyone suppose to take you seriously?

  • 07.05.2006 7:58 AM PDT
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Hells yea for the plasma thrower!!!

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What state of matter is fire...plasma, now if there is a plasma thrower there would just be two flame throwers.

  • 07.15.2006 5:25 PM PDT
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ok, we've got a human flame thrower, which shoots flames we all know and then a Cov plasma thrower that shoorts plasma like the cov plasma. As for fire being plasma, you're actually quite wrong. Plasma is an phase of matter above gas that requires extremely hot temperuatures and said plasma emits termendous amounts of heat. Fire is release of energy (as heat) as matter shifts from one state to another ( such as butane going from liquid and then joining with oxygen particles to form a gas and carbon derivatives.

Also, I think they should make the flame thrower more like a butane torch... extremely powerful with little loss of spray or backfire.

  • 07.15.2006 5:36 PM PDT
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They already have a Flamethrower, the Sentinel Beam and that sucks, and they have a grenade launcher, the brute shot. And if they added a plasma thrower we would have 3 possibly four power weapons depending on wheter or not the Fuel Rod Cannon is in Multiplayer

  • 07.15.2006 6:38 PM PDT
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i think that the flame throwe should leave fire on naything that it touches. so you could spray doorways to damage people comign through or spray it directly on people to it continually damages them until it goes out.

  • 07.15.2006 10:09 PM PDT
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Plasma cant be thrown. Besides, the covenant wouldnt make a plasma thrower because they already have a more effective version. AKA the Fuel Rod Gun.

Now, a flamethrower is not exactly an efficient, let alone safe weapon on a battlefield. I think bungie learned their lesson after Halo PC that a flamethrower just doesnt fit into halo. It was just kinda... there. The flamethrower isnt even a practicel weapon. All it was was an easy means to clear out structures or lay down cover to block the view of the enemy, or divert them.

If anyone has seen Saving Private Ryan, you would know how dangerous being a flamethrower soldier was. A guy got shot in a landing boat and basically exploded, lighting all his comrades on fire. It isnt a great thing in war. Far more cons than pros if you get me.

  • 07.15.2006 10:32 PM PDT
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Call it the PLASMA LAUNCHER.... shoots blue sticky plasma like the plasma grenades, so it sticks to your enemy and then explodes... kinda of like a needler, but with a constant streem of blue plasma instead of homing needles.

I like the duel-mode idea with a charged shot as its second mode. It could act lke a short of plasma grenade launcher.

You charge it up, it creates massive of plasma in a sphere ( looks basically like an ingnited plasma grenade) and then it shoots it straight like a plasma grenade. This would semi-elimnate the need to create a plasma grenade launcher for a cov weapon, althought I do like the idea of being able to use the standard plasma grenades as the ammo for a duel-mode carbine/plasma nade launcher.

Also, defiently make the flame thrower with blue flames like a bunsin burner... its 500 years in the future, it's possible.

As for deadly ambitionz, Bungie will figure out how to make it work. Halo 2 on Live was extremely successful... i hardly ever experienced lag. The 360 live network will be even more sofisticaed, and anyways, if its network lag, then its not the flamethrowers causing the lag.

Also, why include a plasma-launcher? Because the flame throwers been done already.... This is combat evolved, give me some new weapons to go with the old, and lets see who adapts best.

  • 07.15.2006 10:37 PM PDT
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Posted by: prophate
Flamethrowers would cause to much lag, and you can't throw plasma. It's basically super (extremely hot, like the sun) hot fire. Without it being contained with magnetics is would kill you just for having the gun.


It's actually not super hot fire, it's an elemental phase past gas which requires extreme heat to achieve =P. And you could just have a large plasma blast that goes continuously for the plasma thrower. Also the covenant stated they had some sort of flamethrower thing, in the level Oracle one of the elites, or maybe even half jaw, says something like "we should have brought weapons to burn the bodies", thus implying they have some sort of weapon that scorches the area it's fired at, i.e. a flame thrower. And it'd all be really cool as long as they balanced it well.

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Well, using a flamethrower would probably be fun, and probably good against the Flood. Technically, the probaby could make a plasma-thrower, just adjust the magnetics so it shoots out, like usual, but don't encase it in a sphere, just make a sort of magnetic cone that it can't leave. That should actually be stronger than a flamethrower. But fire looks cooler, so I'd prefer that.

  • 07.15.2006 10:38 PM PDT
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If anyone has seen Saving Private Ryan, you would know how dangerous being a flamethrower soldier was. A guy got shot in a landing boat and basically exploded, lighting all his comrades on fire. It isnt a great thing in war. Far more cons than pros if you get me.


This is halo, set 500 years in the future. It is not a movie and not real life. Flame thower in halo PC/Mac could not explode, even when you shoot someone wearing. Why? Perhaps its tanks and protective strucutres are made of titanium and other indreibly strong, impact/gun shot resistant metals from the future.

Personally though, it'd be cool if you shot the tank of someone wearing a flame thrower or plasmaLAUNCHER with a sniper/beam rifle or hit the person dead on with an explosive round (such as then tank, guass, plasma mortar that the wraith fires or they step directly on an exploding grenade/ a plasma nade is stuck to them), it cause the weapon to explode. It'd be a cool extra and prevent players from abusing the weapons. The explosion of the weapon could be stronger then a normal tank/guass shell or nade, which means its really dangerous to go near someone wearing these, cause you could get messed up too. Just a though.

Also, please refer to it as the Plasma Launcher for now, for lack of a better name.

  • 07.15.2006 10:51 PM PDT
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Why is that every topic that has a * symbol by it suddenly makes it important?

I didn't even read the first post. Whatever it is, I disagree.

  • 07.15.2006 11:12 PM PDT
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  • 07.15.2006 11:14 PM PDT
Subject: *Halo 3 Flamethrower & Plasma-thrower Speculation Thread*
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A Flamethrower just isnt practicle though. I dont care if this is halo, the flamethrower just wasnt a good weapon for this game. I actually think Halo is the only FPS game that i have played that has tried the flamethrower. And in this game, it just didnt work.

Today's military abandoned incindiary weaponry for more precise ballistic weaponry. Even in halo that is true. Why shoot a giant piece of metal out of the MAC guns when you could shoot a giant warhead? Because the metal has a higher density and mass, making it hit harder. It will also release all its energy in one direction rather than in all directions like a warhead.

Warfare is different now than just having things blow up or light on fire.

  • 07.15.2006 11:16 PM PDT
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Posted by: UL71M4 G33K
A Flamethrower just isnt practicle though. I dont care if this is halo, the flamethrower just wasnt a good weapon for this game. I actually think Halo is the only FPS game that i have played that has tried the flamethrower. And in this game, it just didnt work.

Today's military abandoned incindiary weaponry for more precise ballistic weaponry. Even in halo that is true. Why shoot a giant piece of metal out of the MAC guns when you could shoot a giant warhead? Because the metal has a higher density and mass, making it hit harder. It will also release all its energy in one direction rather than in all directions like a warhead.

Warfare is different now than just having things blow up or light on fire.


wow.... flame throwers were primarly used in the world wars and vietnam, because they were good for clearing out brush areas where enemies might be hiding. They were also needed to clear out napam excesses, nerve gas, etc.... anyways, my point is, they had a specific use.

IN the Halo UNIVERSE, they have a very specific purpose... BURN FLOOD. The Forerunners apparanetly skipped fire and went straight to plasma, so they never though to develp something like a flame thrower. The plasma launcher cold evolve from the COV stealing human flame thrower tech and incorporating there own forerunner plasma tech into a new weapon they use to combat the flood, since the flamethrower is quite effective.

As for the rest of your post... the MAC Guns shoot Uruniam incased in metal if I'm not mistaken, which means they do shoot a warhead. Now, what the space weapons have to do with this post, I don't know, but its useless hera and completely off topic.

And for your last statement "Warfare is different now than just having things blow up or light on fire".... lmao, lets see, warfare began as blunt objects and fists, evolved to spears and arrors, then catapults, then the gun, cannons, then machine guns, huge turrets, flamethrowers, biologcy weapons, nuclear bombs, bunker busting bombs, stinger missiles.... anyways, thats what, the past 500 years mostly (besides catapults and everything before that).... so imagine what we can do in the next 500 years...but as you can see, its never just been blow up or light on fire... its been point and shot, and occasionlly blow and burn stuff.

anyways, flamethrowers are effective, they instantly incinreat flood, and they could be pratical for MP as well.

  • 07.16.2006 12:05 AM PDT
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Posted by: UL71M4 G33K
If anyone has seen Saving Private Ryan, you would know how dangerous being a flamethrower soldier was. A guy got shot in a landing boat and basically exploded, lighting all his comrades on fire. It isnt a great thing in war. Far more cons than pros if you get me.


This is halo, set 500 years in the future. It is not a movie and not real life. Flame thower in halo PC/Mac could not explode, even when you shoot someone wearing. Why? Perhaps its tanks and protective strucutres are made of titanium and other indreibly strong, impact/gun shot resistant metals from the future.


Then why don't we just make our armor out of the same stuff. The fuel tank is about the same size as a chestplate, so, naturally, it would fit and make us invincible.

Plus that 500 years of armor is also 500 years of anti-armor rounds.


You know exaclty what his point was there. Even in world war two, flame throwers were designed with extremely stong tanks that required a high powerful rifle to puncture. You chose to manipulate it by leaving out this part:

?Personally though, it'd be cool if you shot the tank of someone wearing a flame thrower or plasmaLAUNCHER with a sniper/beam rifle or hit the person dead on with an explosive round (such as then tank, guass, plasma mortar that the wraith fires or they step directly on an exploding grenade/ a plasma nade is stuck to them), it cause the weapon to explode. It'd be a cool extra and prevent players from abusing the weapons. The explosion of the weapon could be stronger then a normal tank/guass shell or nade, which means its really dangerous to go near someone wearing these, cause you could get messed up too. Just a though."

DON"T BE A DICK....

ask yourself, why don't rockets blow up or guns not work when we shot another players... simply because its not practical in the game for that to happen ( and the game wasn't edvanced)

another point about he 500 years armor thing, it might not be practical to put the strongest matrials into all wepaons. It makes sense for a flamethrower for safety and because its a rare weapon. For guns, nades, etc,... they're extremely mass produced, so the cheaper hte material the better. Don't forget, economics has a hand in everything.

I personally like the idea of the tank exploding if you hit it in certain weak spots... adds more variaty to the game and makes the weapon a ticking bomb, so you can blow up guys that hold onto it for too long.

so yea, don't be a dick... tha goes for everybody

[Edited on 7/16/2006]

  • 07.16.2006 12:11 AM PDT
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Some bad news about the name Plasma-Launcher... its the name for a gun in star wars. Still though, gives some proof thatstar wars buffs, nerds jeeks, everywhere think this gun can exist.


The PLASMA-LAUNCHER.... STARWARS style
http://www.numbera.com/archive/starwars/srhopl.html

and to people that say the fuel-rod gun is a plasma launcher/thrower, its not... read up, it launches radioactive material, not plasma.

  • 07.16.2006 11:45 AM PDT
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stop bumping. USE THE EDIT BUTTON

  • 07.16.2006 11:47 AM PDT
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Posted by: prophate
Flamethrowers would cause to much lag, and you can't throw plasma. It's basically super (extremely hot, like the sun) hot fire. Without it being contained with magnetics is would kill you just for having the gun.


Woahhhh... isnt most the covenant arsenal plasma? Doesnt it propell plasma? Or does it just watch it glow?

  • 07.16.2006 11:48 AM PDT
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Well, that would be more of a sludge launcher, not a plasma launcher.

But still, the FRG and all the plasma weapons, in that exact phrase, launch plasma. Why make a new weapon?

Now, for you

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Posted by: UL71M4 G33K
A Flamethrower just isnt practicle though. I dont care if this is halo, the flamethrower just wasnt a good weapon for this game. I actually think Halo is the only FPS game that i have played that has tried the flamethrower. And in this game, it just didnt work.

Today's military abandoned incindiary weaponry for more precise ballistic weaponry. Even in halo that is true. Why shoot a giant piece of metal out of the MAC guns when you could shoot a giant warhead? Because the metal has a higher density and mass, making it hit harder. It will also release all its energy in one direction rather than in all directions like a warhead.

Warfare is different now than just having things blow up or light on fire.


wow.... flame throwers were primarly used in the world wars and vietnam, because they were good for clearing out brush areas where enemies might be hiding. They were also needed to clear out napam excesses, nerve gas, etc.... anyways, my point is, they had a specific use.

IN the Halo UNIVERSE, they have a very specific purpose... BURN FLOOD. The Forerunners apparanetly skipped fire and went straight to plasma, so they never though to develp something like a flame thrower. The plasma launcher cold evolve from the COV stealing human flame thrower tech and incorporating there own forerunner plasma tech into a new weapon they use to combat the flood, since the flamethrower is quite effective.

As for the rest of your post... the MAC Guns shoot Uruniam incased in metal if I'm not mistaken, which means they do shoot a warhead. Now, what the space weapons have to do with this post, I don't know, but its useless hera and completely off topic.

And for your last statement "Warfare is different now than just having things blow up or light on fire".... lmao, lets see, warfare began as blunt objects and fists, evolved to spears and arrors, then catapults, then the gun, cannons, then machine guns, huge turrets, flamethrowers, biologcy weapons, nuclear bombs, bunker busting bombs, stinger missiles.... anyways, thats what, the past 500 years mostly (besides catapults and everything before that).... so imagine what we can do in the next 500 years...but as you can see, its never just been blow up or light on fire... its been point and shot, and occasionlly blow and burn stuff.

anyways, flamethrowers are effective, they instantly incinreat flood, and they could be pratical for MP as well.


The flamethrowers were never integrated into Campaign, so they really dont have a purpose. 2) Halo PC wasnt atually made by bungie, and the flamethrower was just an addition to get people to think it had more than 1 new weapon. 3) We stopped using the flamethrower after Vietnam becuase of friendly fire issues and ucontrollable brush fires. It would explode if shot (the armor was fairly old by Vietnam and was weak to new rounds) and was only good at a certian range.

The flamethrower was just an added weapon for Halo PC multiplayer, it had no specific use than just being there.

[Edited on 7/16/2006]

  • 07.16.2006 11:49 AM PDT
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heres some synonyms that might work.

Plasma:
Bombarder <--- like this one the best
Hurler
discharger
catapult
barrage <---not too bad
chucker
lapidator <----sounds pretty sweet
pelter
pegger
pepper er?
tumbler <---ehh
unhorser <---weird
slinger <---got a wild west ring to it
splatter
sprayer <--- when in doubt, go with the basics
stoner <---no stones though
strewer
thruster <---interesting... if bungie could make the effects for the gun so it looked like it was thrusting the plasma threw the nozzle, then that wouldn't be a bad name
volleyer
wafter
scatterer
shover

well, those are just some ideas... most of em are lame, but some are pretty good

  • 07.16.2006 11:53 AM PDT

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