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Posted by: IlluminatiNWO
Because America has more prisoners than any country in the world. Therefore, an increase in prisoner population equals a decrease in average life quality for the inmates.

  • 12.01.2012 8:04 PM PDT


Posted by: Garland
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They are?


As far as prisons go, they really are.

There's also a recording studio with a professional mixing board.C'mon, seriously?


The prisoners are getting training on professional equipment. So they've already decided what they'll do when they get out. And they've started doing it.

Got anything better than "seriously"? Like, for example, evidence that this hurts something somehow?

  • 12.01.2012 8:06 PM PDT
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It's only different over there because Northern European countries for the most part have low crime rates. Most crimes are minor I believe. In the U.S. it's filled with rapists, murderers, -blam!-s, robbers, and drug dealers. You can reform people in Norway because crime rate is different. Once you get to a great deal of dangerous criminals you care more about isolation from the general population and not reform.

  • 12.01.2012 8:09 PM PDT

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They just have a different mentality, that's all. They believe in reforming the criminal instead of just punishing them. Its a different, but equally valid way of doing looking at things.

  • 12.01.2012 8:12 PM PDT

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Because they want to make sure the prisoners are ready for the outside world rather than make people feel better. Even if someone probably didn't do the crime.

  • 12.01.2012 8:12 PM PDT
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Posted by: Garland
They are?


As far as prisons go, they really are.

There's also a recording studio with a professional mixing board.C'mon, seriously?

The prisoners are getting training on professional equipment. So they've already decided what they'll do when they get out. And they've started doing it.
The prisoners have decided to become professional musicians?
Posted by: coolmike699
Got anything better than "seriously"? Like, for example, evidence that this hurts something somehow?
Where is the evidence that this is anything more than an egregious waste of tax dollars? They're in prison as a punishment for crimes. They don't need millions of dollars worth of paintings and music equipment.

  • 12.01.2012 8:12 PM PDT


Posted by: Garland
Where is the evidence that this is anything more than an egregious waste of tax dollars? They're in prison as a punishment for crimes. They don't need millions of dollars worth of paintings and music equipment.


Within two years of their release, 20% of Norway's prisoners end up back in jail. In the U.K. and the U.S., the figure hovers between 50% and 60%.

There's your evidence. Can we stop talking about what they "don't need" and start talking about what works? Let's stop with this emotional "they did crimes" crap and start pretending that it's 2012 and we as a society have actually discovered a little thing called science.

Is it possible for us Americans to put aside our feelings and do what works best? Is it possible that we can find a middle ground, at least?

  • 12.01.2012 8:19 PM PDT

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You know, before you criticize them, its very important to note that they have a very low recidivism rate, and an over all lower crime rate.

  • 12.01.2012 8:20 PM PDT


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Posted by: Garland
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Posted by: Garland
They are?


As far as prisons go, they really are.

There's also a recording studio with a professional mixing board.C'mon, seriously?


The prisoners are getting training on professional equipment. So they've already decided what they'll do when they get out. And they've started doing it.

Got anything better than "seriously"? Like, for example, evidence that this hurts something somehow?

Based on your post, I feel like you purposely try to disagree with what most people are saying. I feel you're doing this because you want to be a contrarian.


You've never seen me and Garland post before? You must be new here. Welcome aboard.

  • 12.01.2012 8:20 PM PDT
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Posted by: Garland
Where is the evidence that this is anything more than an egregious waste of tax dollars? They're in prison as a punishment for crimes. They don't need millions of dollars worth of paintings and music equipment.


Within two years of their release, 20% of Norway's prisoners end up back in jail. In the U.K. and the U.S., the figure hovers between 50% and 60%.

There's your evidence. Can we stop talking about what they "don't need" and start talking about what works? Let's stop with this emotional "they did crimes" crap and start pretending that it's 2012 and we as a society have actually discovered a little thing called science.
I shouldn't have to point out to you that "correlation =/= causation." The US has significant problems with relation to drugs and gangs that contributes a great deal to our imprisonment rates. Where is the proof that Norway's lower rates of repeat imprisonment are due solely to them having super-luxurious prisons?

  • 12.01.2012 8:26 PM PDT
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Posted by: Garland
I shouldn't have to point out to you that "correlation =/= causation." The US has significant problems with relation to drugs and gangs that contributes a great deal to our imprisonment rates. Where is the proof that Norway's lower rates of repeat imprisonment are due solely to them having super-luxurious prisons?
You saw the pictures. Calling a prison outfitted with Ikea furniture and TVs "super luxurious" is seriously lulzworthy. A 5-star penthouse hotel suite with 5 rooms and 3 bathrooms is "super luxurious." These guys are staying in 200 sq ft cells and have to share common rooms with other prisoners. In the real world, we call that a "hostel."

And come on, do you really need "proof" of the concept that teaching prisoners a trade/moneymaking skill and keeping them in an environment that simulates the outside world can result in them being better able to deal with the outside world once their sentence ends?

Don't demand "proof" for things that are blatantly obvious. It's an annoying and unnecessary formality.

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  • 12.01.2012 8:36 PM PDT
Subject: Why exactly are Norwegian prions so luxurious?


Posted by: Garland
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Where is the evidence that this is anything more than an egregious waste of tax dollars? They're in prison as a punishment for crimes. They don't need millions of dollars worth of paintings and music equipment.


Within two years of their release, 20% of Norway's prisoners end up back in jail. In the U.K. and the U.S., the figure hovers between 50% and 60%.

There's your evidence. Can we stop talking about what they "don't need" and start talking about what works? Let's stop with this emotional "they did crimes" crap and start pretending that it's 2012 and we as a society have actually discovered a little thing called science.
I shouldn't have to point out to you that "correlation =/= causation." The US has significant problems with relation to drugs and gangs that contributes a great deal to our imprisonment rates. Where is the proof that Norway's lower rates of repeat imprisonment are due solely to them having super-luxurious prisons?


Norway has a very low crime rate.
Norway has very luxurious prisons.
Norway has a very low recidivism rate.

The link, you ask? All available data shows that prisoners who live in better conditions commit less crime in the future.

I haven't said that Norway's low recidivism rate is solely caused by their comfortable prisons. But it is a major factor.

It's time to drop the emotional bull-blam!- and start using science when it comes to treating prisoners.

  • 12.01.2012 8:49 PM PDT
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You saw the pictures. Calling a prison outfitted with Ikea furniture and TVs "super luxurious" is seriously lulzworthy. A 5-star penthouse hotel suite with 5 rooms and 3 bathrooms is "super luxurious." These guys are staying in 200 sq ft cells and have to share common rooms with other prisoners. In the real world, we call that a "hostel."
Extremely luxurious by prison standards. It's exponentially nicer than my college dorm, and it wasn't a crappy dorm, either.
Posted by: x Foman123 x
And come on, do you really need "proof" of the concept that teaching prisoners a trade/moneymaking skill and keeping them in an environment that simulates the outside world can result in them being better able to deal with the outside world once their sentence ends?
A million dollars worth of paintings, a recording studio, and a mini-fridge in every room? Yes, I most certainly do need proof that these things are the main cause for low re-imprisonment rates.
Posted by: x Foman123 x
Don't demand "proof" for things that are blatantly obvious. It's an annoying and unnecessary formality.
Surely you jest. You think that just because Norway has fancy prisons, that means it's "blatantly obvious" that's the main and/or only cause? You're not that stupid, Foman.

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  • 12.01.2012 8:51 PM PDT


Posted by: x Foman123 x
Don't demand "proof" for things that are blatantly obvious. It's an annoying and unnecessary formality.


No. No it isn't, at all. I don't agree with garland on this one, but two wrongs don't make a right.

Common sense doesn't exist. You know it, I know it, we all know it. Just because something seems blatantly obvious at first glance doesn't mean that it will withstand any close scrutiny.

We've all seen scientific studies that tell us that we're kind of idiots for believing in some of the stupid crap that we only believe in because it's "blatantly obvious". Like, for example, being "tough on crime" is how to get criminals to behave. They fear the harsh treatment of prison, so they'll work harder to avoid it, right? It really does seem obvious.

Also, aren't you a lawyer? Isn't part of your job having to prove every statement you make, no matter how obvious it seems? Why would you say something like that?

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  • 12.01.2012 8:54 PM PDT
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In my opinion, I don't care who laughs last or first. As long as I laugh in the process, everything is good.

I wouldn't mind being locked up there.

  • 12.01.2012 8:58 PM PDT
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Posted by: coolmike699
Norway has a very low crime rate.
Norway has very luxurious prisons.
Norway has a very low recidivism rate.
Your observational skills are astounding.
Posted by: coolmike699
The link, you ask? All available data shows that prisoners who live in better conditions commit less crime in the future.

I haven't said that Norway's low recidivism rate is solely caused by their comfortable prisons. But it is a major factor.
Interesting; this is what I wanted to see from the start.

Now the question is, how do we apply that here? I doubt it will be as simple as just throwing money at prisons until they look like normal houses on the inside.

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Scandinavia has really high taxes.

  • 12.01.2012 9:01 PM PDT
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Posted by: ThirstyAvenge
Scandinavia has really high taxes.
And a high standard of living! Who would'a thunk it?

[Edited on 12.01.2012 9:03 PM PST]

  • 12.01.2012 9:02 PM PDT