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Subject: Why exactly are Norwegian prions so luxurious?
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Scandinavia has really high taxes.
Norway is about 10% higher than America.

  • 12.01.2012 9:02 PM PDT
Subject: Why exactly are Norwegian prisons so luxurious?

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Because they believe in helping some to become a better person rather than punishing them for not being one.

Their ideas on humane treatment differ from ours.

  • 12.01.2012 9:04 PM PDT
Subject: Why exactly are Norwegian prions so luxurious?

I'm ashamed of being Norwegian when it comes to this.

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Posted by: Garland
Posted by: coolmike699
Norway has a very low crime rate.
Norway has very luxurious prisons.
Norway has a very low recidivism rate.
Your observational skills are astounding.
Posted by: coolmike699
The link, you ask? All available data shows that prisoners who live in better conditions commit less crime in the future.

I haven't said that Norway's low recidivism rate is solely caused by their comfortable prisons. But it is a major factor.
Interesting; this is what I wanted to see from the start.

Now the question is, how do we apply that here? I doubt it will be as simple as just throwing money at prisons until they look like normal houses on the inside.



I don't think we could ever bring our prisons to such standards.

It's all about demographics. We have a vast number of violent offenders who have beaten, raped, and killed people.

It's not as simply as bringing our prisons up to those standards when there are populations of inmates who will kill another over a petty squabble, or see prison as a badge of honor within their gang.

A prison that has nicer amenities that a lot apartments won't do anything to curb crime or reciprocity here in the US. What's good for the Goose isn't always good for the Gander.

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Posted by: Garland

Now the question is, how do we apply that here? I doubt it will be as simple as just throwing money at prisons until they look like normal houses on the inside.
I think you are missing the point. It isn't about the housing conditions in the prisons. Its about the mentality of punishment over reform.

  • 12.01.2012 9:08 PM PDT

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Deal with it.

Isn't the point of prisons to keep dangerous people away from the rest of society, and to help them if possible? I don't see how this is really bad.

  • 12.01.2012 9:10 PM PDT

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Posted by: Chicharito 14
I'm ashamed of being Norwegian when it comes to this.
Why???

You guys have one of the lowest crime rates and recidivism rates. Your criminal justice system is the envy of many major western governments.

  • 12.01.2012 9:11 PM PDT
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Posted by: Garland
Now the question is, how do we apply that here? I doubt it will be as simple as just throwing money at prisons until they look like normal houses on the inside.
I think you are missing the point. It isn't about the housing conditions in the prisons. Its about the mentality of punishment over reform.
Isn't that what I originally said? There's a lot more to it than throwing money at the facilities. Mike's studies seem to be looking at just that factor, though, so I don't know what to think.

Regardless of who's right, America would probably need more changes than just throwing money at the problem.

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This is why I believe that prisons should serve as a form of rehabilitation rather than a form of punishment.

  • 12.01.2012 9:14 PM PDT

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Posted by: Garland
Now the question is, how do we apply that here? I doubt it will be as simple as just throwing money at prisons until they look like normal houses on the inside.
I think you are missing the point. It isn't about the housing conditions in the prisons. Its about the mentality of punishment over reform.
Isn't that what I originally said? There's a lot more to it than throwing money at the facilities. Mike's studies seem to be looking at just that factor, though, so I don't know what to think.

Regardless of who's right, America would probably need more changes than just throwing money at the problem.
Definitely.

I'd like to see science being used in prisons. Right now we have the "punish the bad bad men" mentality, which means we throw money at making the prisons "ore humane" while leaving the punishment as the primary goal.

If we remove their humanity, we are the ones who create the animals we release. How about using Psychology and Sociology to make one visit to prison enough for a criminal.

I know I'm gonna get flamed as being a bleeding heart for saying that, but I do feel its cheaper to reform them than continually punish them.

  • 12.01.2012 9:14 PM PDT
Subject: Why exactly are Norwegian prisons so luxurious?

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In order to rehabilitate the criminals so they can learn from their mistakes and become productive members of society.

  • 12.01.2012 9:15 PM PDT
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While I think prisons should be for reforming those that can be reformed and for punishing those that can't, the quality of the prisons in Norway is too high for my liking. The guy that killed 77 people has a prison cell nicer than my old apartment and I didn't kill 77 people, I am going to college. Instead of giving them nice prison cells, I think it should focus on making sure it doesn't happen in the first place. Of course that goes against America in general, we are very reactionary, even our healthcare is reactionary, not preventative.

The idea behind the American justice system is that you were handed a set of rights, the Right to life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of happiness. When someone commits a crime, we find them to be violating one or all of the rights stated above. If you choose to throw your rights away by taking someone else's, you get punished. It's obviously very different in Norway.



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  • 12.01.2012 9:15 PM PDT
Subject: Why exactly are Norwegian prions so luxurious?

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I think they shouldnt be better than what someone with minimum wage can afford

  • 12.01.2012 9:17 PM PDT


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Posted by: Chicharito 14
I'm ashamed of being Norwegian when it comes to this.
Why???

You guys have one of the lowest crime rates and recidivism rates. Your criminal justice system is the envy of many major western governments.

Well, that's good.

But i don't like that the goverment is taking more care of the criminals, and then leave the elderly with centers/apartment that might aswell could be used as a prison.

  • 12.01.2012 9:19 PM PDT

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Posted by: coolmike699
Norway has a very low crime rate.
Norway has very luxurious prisons.
Norway has a very low recidivism rate.
Your observational skills are astounding.
Posted by: coolmike699
The link, you ask? All available data shows that prisoners who live in better conditions commit less crime in the future.

I haven't said that Norway's low recidivism rate is solely caused by their comfortable prisons. But it is a major factor.
Interesting; this is what I wanted to see from the start.

Now the question is, how do we apply that here? I doubt it will be as simple as just throwing money at prisons until they look like normal houses on the inside.
The system won't be instituted in a country with privatized prisons that are out to make a profit (and thus want to spend as little money as possible on the inmates).

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  • 12.01.2012 9:20 PM PDT

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Posted by: Chicharito 14

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Posted by: Chicharito 14
I'm ashamed of being Norwegian when it comes to this.
Why???

You guys have one of the lowest crime rates and recidivism rates. Your criminal justice system is the envy of many major western governments.

Well, that's good.

But i don't like that the goverment is taking more care of the criminals, and then leave the elderly with centers/apartment that might aswell could be used as a prison.
You guys can leave your doors unlocked at night. You have no idea how bad it can get. There have been several neighborhoods that I've lived in that I didn't feel safe even when the doors where locked.

Trust me, what you spend is well spent.

  • 12.01.2012 9:21 PM PDT

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That looks more like a five star hotel than a prison.

  • 12.01.2012 9:23 PM PDT


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Posted by: Chicharito 14

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Posted by: Chicharito 14
I'm ashamed of being Norwegian when it comes to this.
Why???

You guys have one of the lowest crime rates and recidivism rates. Your criminal justice system is the envy of many major western governments.

Well, that's good.

But i don't like that the goverment is taking more care of the criminals, and then leave the elderly with centers/apartment that might aswell could be used as a prison.
You guys can leave your doors unlocked at night. You have no idea how bad it can get. There have been several neighborhoods that I've lived in that I didn't feel safe even when the doors where locked.

Trust me, what you spend is well spent.


Not exactly. The crime rate may be overall low, but the crime rate in Oslo alone is pretty high.

  • 12.01.2012 9:23 PM PDT

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Posted by: Chicharito 14

Not exactly. The crime rate may be overall low, but the crime rate in Oslo alone is pretty high.
Pretty high compared to where?

And what kind of crime?

When I lived in DC I was constantly worried about crime. Hell, even here in my native San Diego, which is pretty safe by American standards, there are areas that I will not get out of my car when I pass through them.

Imagine the rough parts of New Orleans or god forbid Detroit.

Trust me, Oslo may have some rough patches, but NOTHING like here. I'll bet there are some rough spots in the UK or even France that are worse too.

  • 12.01.2012 9:26 PM PDT
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Posted by: Garland
Posted by: coolmike699
Norway has a very low crime rate.
Norway has very luxurious prisons.
Norway has a very low recidivism rate.
Your observational skills are astounding.
Posted by: coolmike699
The link, you ask? All available data shows that prisoners who live in better conditions commit less crime in the future.

I haven't said that Norway's low recidivism rate is solely caused by their comfortable prisons. But it is a major factor.
Interesting; this is what I wanted to see from the start.

Now the question is, how do we apply that here? I doubt it will be as simple as just throwing money at prisons until they look like normal houses on the inside.
The system won't be instituted in a country with privatized prisons that are out to make a profit (and thus want to spend as little money as possible on the inmates).
Private prisons (there are 264) combined house 99,000 prisoners. . . out of 2.3 million total prisoners in the US (for some reason, I can't find the exact number of public prisons). Private prisons aren't the primary system like you make them out to be.

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  • 12.01.2012 9:32 PM PDT

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That looks more like a five star hotel than a prison.

I can see their logic behind why they give them good conditions, however their conditions are a little too good. The fact that someone who killed a person gets better living conditions than a person who does genuine work for little pay, just doesn't make much sense. The rehabilitation does however.
I have to ask this:

What 5 star hotel are you guys comparing this to?

I've stayed in a few. None looked like this. In fact, I've been in youth hostels that were better appointed. (Happy Trails in Savannah, Georgia)

  • 12.01.2012 9:32 PM PDT

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Posted by: Assassin 11D7
Isn't the point of prisons to keep dangerous people away from the rest of society, and to help them if possible? I don't see how this is really bad.
Well, how they are treated in prison can affect the likelihood of them committing another crime, so this does matter.

  • 12.01.2012 9:33 PM PDT