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Subject: Let's have a talk about K/D
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Posted by: Plasma Prestige

Posted by: Buddha Milk
Yup, every single K/D thread is made by one of these two people.

*Sucks at the game and is annoyed that people have actual proof they suck / tries to give an excuse on why a low K/D is still good.
*Someone who is really good at the game and likes to brag about it since they have actual proof of it / calling anyone with a lower K/D bad or a scrub.

I don't see where I say a K/D below 1 or even at 1 is good.


You're implying that as long as your K/D is above a 1.0 your good.

  • 12.01.2012 9:24 PM PDT

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  • 12.01.2012 9:24 PM PDT

Unreal, isn't it?

If the game was just slayer the average k/d should be 1, but that's not necessarily the case since we have objective gametypes. I'd think it's still near that though, although probably skewed towards d because of suicides, accidents, traffic cones, etc

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Posted by: BROWN HAWK
I suppose that makes sense in a way. Does this imply that nearly every multi-player-game's matchmaking system is broken?

I think it's important to note that some people, like myself, will leave during games where they're not doing well. Stuff like that affects K/D.

But overall it's really not significant whatsoever. So many variables go in to it that it can't express.

I would agree that many games matchmaking systems are pretty weak (especially Call of Duty, but you can argue about the importance of skill there). Halo 4's matchmaking has driven me crazy. Some games I get demolished whereas in others I demolish. Neither of these is very fun (although I'm not going to lie and say demolishing sucks). However, the enjoys I enjoy the most overall aren't the ones I win, but the ones where I do comparably to my team and the other team's players. I am, in a way, a microcosm of the average in the Halo 4 population.

I do agree that many variables go into calculating skill; K/D is an indicator, not an absolute.

  • 12.01.2012 9:27 PM PDT

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OP I have never seen anyone with a ration higher than two, and I am an SR 59...

Not saying it doesn't happen, but its rare. The current system does a decent job (mostly) but you do have a point.

  • 12.01.2012 9:28 PM PDT

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Posted by: Plasma Prestige

Posted by: Buddha Milk
Yup, every single K/D thread is made by one of these two people.

*Sucks at the game and is annoyed that people have actual proof they suck / tries to give an excuse on why a low K/D is still good.
*Someone who is really good at the game and likes to brag about it since they have actual proof of it / calling anyone with a lower K/D bad or a scrub.

I don't see where I say a K/D below 1 or even at 1 is good.


You're implying that as long as your K/D is above a 1.0 your good.

Good is a meaningless term. If your K/D is above 1.0, your statistically superior to the majority. The margin by which you're better is likely going to demarcate the boundary of good/okay.

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  • 12.01.2012 9:29 PM PDT
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Posted by: Plasma Prestige

Posted by: BROWN HAWK
I suppose that makes sense in a way. Does this imply that nearly every multi-player-game's matchmaking system is broken?

I think it's important to note that some people, like myself, will leave during games where they're not doing well. Stuff like that affects K/D.

But overall it's really not significant whatsoever. So many variables go in to it that it can't express.

I would agree that many games matchmaking systems are pretty weak (especially Call of Duty, but you can argue about the importance of skill there). Halo 4's matchmaking has driven me crazy. Some games I get demolished whereas in others I demolish. Neither of these is very fun (although I'm not going to lie and say demolishing sucks). However, the enjoys I enjoy the most overall aren't the ones I win, but the ones where I do comparably to my team and the other team's players. I am, in a way, a microcosm of the average in the Halo 4 population.

I do agree that many variables go into calculating skill; K/D is an indicator, not an absolute.


This is why I like the Halo 2 ranking system. Before all the modding on the DLC maps, that level showed your skill in absolute form.

  • 12.01.2012 9:30 PM PDT

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I find k/d to be a joke these days...

  • 12.01.2012 9:32 PM PDT

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Posted by: Makko Mace
OP I have never seen anyone with a ration higher than two, and I am an SR 59...

Not saying it doesn't happen, but its rare. The current system does a decent job (mostly) but you do have a point.


I have a 2.3, or around there. And other people have even higher K/D ratios.

[Edited on 12.01.2012 9:35 PM PST]

  • 12.01.2012 9:35 PM PDT

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Posted by: Plasma Prestige
However, the ones I enjoy the most overall aren't the ones I win, but the ones where I do comparably to my team and the other team's players.
I almost never see this happen when I play.
Sure, there are neck-and-neck matches where the final scores are incredibly close, but even in those matches there's almost always a huge discrepancy in the individual player scores.

The way I see K/D is . . . who's better, the person with 5000 kills, 4000 deaths, and a high kill/score-per-game ratio, or the person with 2000 kills, 1000 deaths and a mediocre kill/score-per-game ratio

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Posted by: Plasma Prestige

Posted by: Buddha Milk
Yup, every single K/D thread is made by one of these two people.

*Sucks at the game and is annoyed that people have actual proof they suck / tries to give an excuse on why a low K/D is still good.
*Someone who is really good at the game and likes to brag about it since they have actual proof of it / calling anyone with a lower K/D bad or a scrub.

I don't see where I say a K/D below 1 or even at 1 is good.


You're implying that as long as your K/D is above a 1.0 your good.

Good is a meaningless term. If your K/D is above 1.0, your statistically superior to the majority. The margin by which you're better is likely going to demarcate the boundary of good/okay.


I get where you're coming from, but there is more to K/D then you realize. Ones ability to perform under pressure, tactics, communication, teammates, understanding of map flow, radar use, and pure natural ability in gaming.

  • 12.01.2012 9:36 PM PDT

Unreal, isn't it?

It really depends on how long the person has been playing. If you're excellent at shooters and you're just starting, you're going to wreck and move up in ranks really fast. You'll also have a crazy k/d. But if you've been playing for a year or so and you still have a k/d of 2 or more, you're not being matched against players who challenge you. Therefore you're either better than everyone at the game, or the system is messed up [or you're stealing kills/getting more kills than your teammates].

[Edited on 12.01.2012 9:39 PM PST]

  • 12.01.2012 9:38 PM PDT

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Posted by: Buddha Milk

Posted by: Plasma Prestige

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Posted by: Plasma Prestige

Posted by: Buddha Milk
Yup, every single K/D thread is made by one of these two people.

*Sucks at the game and is annoyed that people have actual proof they suck / tries to give an excuse on why a low K/D is still good.
*Someone who is really good at the game and likes to brag about it since they have actual proof of it / calling anyone with a lower K/D bad or a scrub.

I don't see where I say a K/D below 1 or even at 1 is good.


You're implying that as long as your K/D is above a 1.0 your good.

Good is a meaningless term. If your K/D is above 1.0, your statistically superior to the majority. The margin by which you're better is likely going to demarcate the boundary of good/okay.


I get where you're coming from, but there is more to K/D then you realize. Ones ability to perform under pressure, tactics, communication, teammates, understanding of map flow, radar use, and pure natural ability in gaming.

You're describing skill, not K/D. Again, they are not synonymous. It's akin to intelligence and IQ.

I'll give you my own example. I have been playing Halo since CE in 2001. I would attribute much of my lackluster performance in many games to my vision problem (I am legally blind). I attribute some to lack of skill definitely, but it's not an absolute, and there are more factors to consider. For instance, really bright maps like Ragnarok and Haven I do poorly on. Darker maps like Abandon and Adrift I perform significantly better on.

  • 12.01.2012 9:40 PM PDT

Unreal, isn't it?


Posted by: Plasma Prestige


I'll give you my own example. I have been playing Halo since CE in 2001. I would attribute much of my lackluster performance in many games to my vision problem (I am legally blind). I attribute some to lack of skill definitely, but it's not an absolute, and there are more factors to consider. For instance, really bright maps like Ragnarok and Haven I do poorly on. Darker maps like Abandon and Adrift I perform significantly better on.


Well, that goes to where you draw the line at skill I suppose lol.

If someone has no legs, are they bad at running, or are they maybe good at running, it's just that they have no legs so it seems like they're bad?
[Hint: if you have no no legs, you're a bad runner]

  • 12.01.2012 9:42 PM PDT
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You're K/D is the most accurate way to judge how good or bad someone is since there isn't an actual ranking system in Halo 4 yet.

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Posted by: Eat More Babies
Didn't even read half of that.

I couldn't care less about K/D. I'm usually drunk when I play, anyway.

If you didn't read half of it, why'd you feel compelled to post?

I don't care that much about my K/D's value either; I do care, however, about how K/D is viewed in general.

Cuz 'Merica.

  • 12.01.2012 9:47 PM PDT

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Posted by: Buddha Milk
You're K/D is the most accurate way to judge how good or bad someone is since there isn't an actual ranking system in Halo 4 yet.

It's the most precise, not the most accurate.

  • 12.01.2012 9:48 PM PDT

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