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Well, here we are. I guess that it was destined to come to this.


Posted by: a squiggly apple
Marriage only ever served as a purpose for men so that they could officially own their woman, that's it.

Pretty narrow and negative view.

Historically it also gave women a link, association, prestige and other benefits when societies were more male-dominated. It meant that they had at least a chance of growing old and being cared for as they aged.

For children, the nuclear family and the stability/certainty that it offered is what allowed modern civilization to occur. For everyone involved it meant a linear succession of property, traditions, skills, knowledge, and other benefits.

Marriage is a construct, it isn't perfect, but it was (and remains) an alternative to (with benefits over) the social chaos that could occur if the sexes were to adopt a more herd-like approach to mating, child-rearing, and the other factors involved.

  • 12.02.2012 8:27 AM PDT

If pro is the opposite of con, then the opposite of progress is...

Nope! I'll live independently and happily, only focusing on me and myself. There has yet to be a single dame that I would want to actually settle down with, and I'm not even picky.

  • 12.02.2012 8:30 AM PDT

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Posted by: spartanfornow
Divorce, alimony, and child custody laws are sexist as hell. And it is the worst kind of sexism, the kind against men.

  • 12.02.2012 8:31 AM PDT

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Posted by: Recon Number 54
"Worth it"? I would imagine that would depend on what people expect "out of it".


This. You don't really gain or lose anything be being married. It's more about the emotional fufillment it would theorectically bring

What do you mean you don't lose anything? Have you seen how much it costs to get married these days? That's a ridiculous amount of money, and what do you get out of it? You and your spouse don't magically love each other any more than a non-married couple, or anything like that. All you get is some legal benefits.

I'm not even getting into what happens if you want to get a divorce or otherwise fall out of love. No matter how confident you are in your relationship, I think it's arrogant to assume that things will always be the same, especially if you're getting married at an age where you still haven't finished developing as a person (emotionally, mentally and financially).

  • 12.02.2012 8:32 AM PDT


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Posted by: a squiggly apple
Marriage only ever served as a purpose for men so that they could officially own their woman, that's it.

Pretty narrow and negative view.

Historically it also gave women a link, association, prestige and other benefits when societies were more male-dominated. It meant that they had at least a chance of growing old and being cared for as they aged.

For children, the nuclear family and the stability/certainty that it offered is what allowed modern civilization to occur. For everyone involved it meant a linear succession of property, traditions, skills, knowledge, and other benefits.

Marriage is a construct, it isn't perfect, but it was (and remains) an alternative to (with benefits over) the social chaos that could occur if the sexes were to adopt a more herd-like approach to mating, child-rearing, and the other factors involved.


I like my women in herds.

  • 12.02.2012 8:34 AM PDT

I would say no. Not at all

  • 12.02.2012 8:35 AM PDT

Please stop complaining about the 'death of a loved one' it's my job. They probably deserved it anyways. Here's a warning, if you keep making pentagrams out of the neighbors livestock I will personally come to your house and kill everyone you love. Now leave me alone, I got to get back to work.
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I think so! Love and legal.

  • 12.02.2012 8:38 AM PDT

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Posted by: Darkslayer18264

Posted by: Recon Number 54
"Worth it"? I would imagine that would depend on what people expect "out of it".


This. You don't really gain or lose anything be being married. It's more about the emotional fufillment it would theorectically bring

What do you mean you don't lose anything? Have you seen how much it costs to get married these days? That's a ridiculous amount of money, and what do you get out of it? You and your spouse don't magically love each other any more than a non-married couple, or anything like that. All you get is some legal benefits.

I'm not even getting into what happens if you want to get a divorce or otherwise fall out of love. No matter how confident you are in your relationship, I think it's arrogant to assume that things will always be the same, especially if you're getting married at an age where you still haven't finished developing as a person (emotionally, mentally and financially).


A wedding costs a lot. In the UK, you could just go the registry office and get married pretty easily. It's just a piece of paper.

  • 12.02.2012 8:41 AM PDT

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Posted by: RECON828

Posted by: Darkslayer18264

Posted by: Recon Number 54
"Worth it"? I would imagine that would depend on what people expect "out of it".


This. You don't really gain or lose anything be being married. It's more about the emotional fufillment it would theorectically bring

What do you mean you don't lose anything? Have you seen how much it costs to get married these days? That's a ridiculous amount of money, and what do you get out of it? You and your spouse don't magically love each other any more than a non-married couple, or anything like that. All you get is some legal benefits.

I'm not even getting into what happens if you want to get a divorce or otherwise fall out of love. No matter how confident you are in your relationship, I think it's arrogant to assume that things will always be the same, especially if you're getting married at an age where you still haven't finished developing as a person (emotionally, mentally and financially).


A wedding costs a lot. In the UK, you could just go the registry office and get married pretty easily. It's just a piece of paper.

Try telling that to your girlfriend who wants a pretty white dress and a day she'll never forget. It costs money most people don't have.

  • 12.02.2012 8:43 AM PDT
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Posted by: a squiggly apple
Posted by: Recon Number 54
Posted by: a squiggly apple
Marriage only ever served as a purpose for men so that they could officially own their woman, that's it.

Pretty narrow and negative view.

Historically it also gave women a link, association, prestige and other benefits when societies were more male-dominated. It meant that they had at least a chance of growing old and being cared for as they aged.


That's just an archaic viewpoint which is completely irrelevant in today's society, women do not need a man to care for them anymore.

And did you only get that one point out of my multiple examples?

Interesting.

I am saying that for people who want and choose to engage in such a contract, they have their reasons. Both now and historically. There are also social benefits to society as a whole from long-term committed relations, not the least of which revolves around child-rearing and the continuity of family.

But, yeah... it's about "women as property".

  • 12.02.2012 8:44 AM PDT

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Posted by: Darkslayer18264

Posted by: RECON828

Posted by: Darkslayer18264

Posted by: Recon Number 54
"Worth it"? I would imagine that would depend on what people expect "out of it".


This. You don't really gain or lose anything be being married. It's more about the emotional fufillment it would theorectically bring

What do you mean you don't lose anything? Have you seen how much it costs to get married these days? That's a ridiculous amount of money, and what do you get out of it? You and your spouse don't magically love each other any more than a non-married couple, or anything like that. All you get is some legal benefits.

I'm not even getting into what happens if you want to get a divorce or otherwise fall out of love. No matter how confident you are in your relationship, I think it's arrogant to assume that things will always be the same, especially if you're getting married at an age where you still haven't finished developing as a person (emotionally, mentally and financially).


A wedding costs a lot. In the UK, you could just go the registry office and get married pretty easily. It's just a piece of paper.

Try telling that to your girlfriend who wants a pretty white dress and a day she'll never forget. It costs money most people don't have.


That's not the point. Marriage does not require a lavish ceremony. Having a wedding costs lots of money. Marriage itself does not.

  • 12.02.2012 8:47 AM PDT

Posted by: IrIsHmAn04
no its legit, i used coordinates, set weapon timers the works.

Why do most of you in here look at marriage as if it's a statistic or legal thing?

If you find someone that you truly love and cannot live without and the same goes for your partner, then wonderful, get married. Marriage is tremendous blessing and the people who have found their true love, I personally give them praise as I couldn't imagine any greater thing than to have a good family.



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  • 12.02.2012 8:50 AM PDT

Posted by: The Kangol Kid
It was then that I decided he really is like semen(everywhere) and I gave up on life.


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That should be up to the individual and have nothing to do with statistics,
IMO.

  • 12.02.2012 8:52 AM PDT
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Well, here we are. I guess that it was destined to come to this.

Posted by: a squiggly apple
Posted by: Recon Number 54
And did you only get that one point out of my multiple examples?

Interesting.
Any post over a paragraph long is too long for me so I just stop reading.

Which reinforces my statement that your view is narrow and negative.

Oh well, you're welcome to it. But if you want to share your views and expect a fair and open-minded response, you should be willing to extend the same courtesy that you expect.

  • 12.02.2012 8:52 AM PDT

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Posted by: xBADMAGIKx
Why do most of you in here look at marriage as if it's a statistic or legal thing?

If you find someone that you truly love and cannot live without and the same goes for your partner, then wonderful, get married. Marriage is tremendous blessing and the people who have found their true love, I personally give them praise as I couldn't imagine any greater thing than to have a good family.


Question:
Do you need to be married to someone to be in love with them?
Do you need to be married to someone to have children?

  • 12.02.2012 8:52 AM PDT

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Posted by: Make117
Somehow I feel like this isn't the best place to ask this question.


Indeed.

  • 12.02.2012 8:57 AM PDT
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Posted by: a squiggly apple
Marriage only ever served as a purpose for men so that they could officially own their woman, that's it.
lolno

Marriage has been an economic transaction for most of human history, and both parties benefited.

  • 12.02.2012 8:58 AM PDT

I've been married for a little over a month. Good so far.

  • 12.02.2012 9:00 AM PDT
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Well, here we are. I guess that it was destined to come to this.

Posted by: RECON828
Posted by: xBADMAGIKx
Why do most of you in here look at marriage as if it's a statistic or legal thing?

If you find someone that you truly love and cannot live without and the same goes for your partner, then wonderful, get married. Marriage is tremendous blessing and the people who have found their true love, I personally give them praise as I couldn't imagine any greater thing than to have a good family.


Question:
Do you need to be married to someone to be in love with them?
Do you need to be married to someone to have children?

Not at all. But a public and announced commitment can (depending on the people involved) make the participants feel more confident and comfortable about the future of those (and other) long-term choices.

Any two people with appropriate gonads can make a child. It takes parents to raise that child and (so far) the best and most effective methodology for that is for the child to have a nuclear family.

Is that a requirement? No.
Is that a guarantee of success? Not at all.
Are the examples of successful child-rearing without a nuclear family? Absolutely.
Are there examples of failures despite a nuclear family? Certainly.

But it is a choice of the parties involved. Their choice. Personally, if any two people love each other and feel the desire to make a commitment to attempt a lifelong relationship? I don't believe that is anyone's business but theirs.

If people want to do it any other way, as long as it suits them and doesn't harm anyone? Fine by me.

But the idea of two people wanting to make a commitment is not alien or unreasonable. The reasons are as varied as there are people, but it certainly happens enough to say that it is a reasonable and very "human" desire to know that you and someone you love are "committed".

  • 12.02.2012 9:01 AM PDT

He who cannot command himself should obey. And many can command themselves, but much is still lacking before they can obey themselves.
--Thus Spoke Zarathustra

Personally, I love it. I love having a family, just had a baby, and I feel better than I've ever felt in my life.

  • 12.02.2012 9:04 AM PDT

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