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Subject: [Spoilers] The Precursors' Test

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When the Precursors unleashed the Flood on the prehistoric humans, they passed a test and the Flood chose not to infect them, according to the Primordial. What is this test and why did the Forerunners not pass it?

  • 12.02.2012 8:00 AM PDT

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The test, as far as we know, dictates that you submit to the Flood. The Ancient Humans, in an effort to use their 'cure' threw a third of their whole population of the Flood, and while the cure didn't actually work the Flood stopped infecting humanity. We had [unconsciously] submitted, we passed.

The Forerunners failed because they took up arms and relentlessly fought back, never giving in to the Flood.

  • 12.02.2012 8:43 AM PDT
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Most probably because they see the Flood as the perfect society- free of all internal conflicts- they want to see if their "test" species would recognize this and submit.

  • 12.02.2012 1:55 PM PDT


Posted by: Haloroach
Most probably because they see the Flood as the perfect society- free of all internal conflicts- they want to see if their "test" species would recognize this and submit.
If the flood is the only solution to a perfect society I think I'd rather die than live in that society.

  • 12.02.2012 2:10 PM PDT

I've got a question somewhat related to this.

Has it ever been confirmed that the Precursors created the Flood? I sometimes see contradiction to this mentioning the Flood were found on automated unidentified spacecraft from another galaxy. But then you have the Primordial/Timeless One mentioning he/she/it is a Precursor and/or that they created the Flood.

  • 12.02.2012 2:14 PM PDT

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Posted by: Haloroach
Most probably because they see the Flood as the perfect society- free of all internal conflicts- they want to see if their "test" species would recognize this and submit.
If the flood is the only solution to a perfect society I think I'd rather die than live in that society.
That's what they're counting on... :P

Isn't it strange that the Flood would recede just because the ancient humans sacfrificed themselves, I mean, why would it if its plans are to consume and create harmony? The Floods agenda or use might very well have changed when the Prisoner/Gravemind too control of it, it might not behave as its original creator/s had intended.

[Edited on 12.02.2012 2:25 PM PST]

  • 12.02.2012 2:23 PM PDT

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Posted by: Unseelie Sluagh
I've got a question somewhat related to this.

Has it ever been confirmed that the Precursors created the Flood? I sometimes see contradiction to this mentioning the Flood were found on automated unidentified spacecraft from another galaxy. But then you have the Primordial/Timeless One mentioning he/she/it is a Precursor and/or that they created the Flood.


Precursors created the Flood, saw it was perfect as it is a being of complete unity, devoid of conflict, and joined with it. There is no contradiction, they simply sent it into the galaxy on the ancient ship.

  • 12.02.2012 2:27 PM PDT

Makes sense, I suppose.

I was never too crazy about the whole 'Precursors created the Flood' explanation. I was hoping they just advanced enough and left the galaxy (or universe). Do we even know what a Precursor originally looked like outside of the description of the Primordial?

  • 12.02.2012 2:47 PM PDT

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Precursors were a collection of races under one name, like the Covenant. The only description we have is that of the Timeless One.

  • 12.02.2012 2:52 PM PDT

Posted by: ajw34307
Precursors were a collection of races under one name, like the Covenant. The only description we have is that of the Timeless One.

I always saw Precursors mentioned as a 'race'. This is news to me. If that's the case, I need to brush up on my lore.

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The primordial noted how he wasn't part of the precursors that created the forerunners in primordium.

  • 12.02.2012 3:01 PM PDT

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Oh yeah, since somebody does not believe what YOU believe; that makes us vapid...
I cannot grasp that what you call "Something happened to nothing, and that nothing became something, and it was smaller than than a period."

Posted by: Sweety Rolls 77

Posted by: Haloroach
Most probably because they see the Flood as the perfect society- free of all internal conflicts- they want to see if their "test" species would recognize this and submit.
If the flood is the only solution to a perfect society I think I'd rather die than live in that society.
This. And also that's why the Forerunners attacked.

  • 12.02.2012 7:27 PM PDT

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Posted by: ajw34307
The test, as far as we know, dictates that you submit to the Flood. The Ancient Humans, in an effort to use their 'cure' threw a third of their whole population of the Flood, and while the cure didn't actually work the Flood stopped infecting humanity. We had [unconsciously] submitted, we passed.

The Forerunners failed because they took up arms and relentlessly fought back, never giving in to the Flood.


Then why didn't the Flood consume all of humanity? Wasn't the plan to consume all of the galaxy's sentient life for perfect unity?

  • 12.02.2012 9:34 PM PDT

The halo universe has become far too complicated and far too much has been added. To me it's just a bother trying to learn about it all.

The halo universe has always been deep which I loved but now it's just far too much, it's getting a little ridiculous.

  • 12.02.2012 9:49 PM PDT

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Posted by: Haloroach
Most probably because they see the Flood as the perfect society- free of all internal conflicts- they want to see if their "test" species would recognize this and submit.
If the flood is the only solution to a perfect society I think I'd rather die than live in that society.

  • 12.02.2012 9:57 PM PDT

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Posted by: ajw34307
The test, as far as we know, dictates that you submit to the Flood. The Ancient Humans, in an effort to use their 'cure' threw a third of their whole population of the Flood, and while the cure didn't actually work the Flood stopped infecting humanity. We had [unconsciously] submitted, we passed.

The Forerunners failed because they took up arms and relentlessly fought back, never giving in to the Flood.


Then why didn't the Flood consume all of humanity? Wasn't the plan to consume all of the galaxy's sentient life for perfect unity?


Yeah, that's what I thought. To be honest all this "oh they chose not to infect them is stupid". Why couldn't there have been a legitimate cure for the Flood instead of some silly reason like that.

  • 12.02.2012 9:59 PM PDT

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Is that canon? the fact that the precursos created the flood?
Posted by: ajw34307

Posted by: Unseelie Sluagh
I've got a question somewhat related to this.

Has it ever been confirmed that the Precursors created the Flood? I sometimes see contradiction to this mentioning the Flood were found on automated unidentified spacecraft from another galaxy. But then you have the Primordial/Timeless One mentioning he/she/it is a Precursor and/or that they created the Flood.


Precursors created the Flood, saw it was perfect as it is a being of complete unity, devoid of conflict, and joined with it. There is no contradiction, they simply sent it into the galaxy on the ancient ship.

  • 12.02.2012 10:04 PM PDT


Posted by: adamj004
The halo universe has become far too complicated and far too much has been added. To me it's just a bother trying to learn about it all.

The halo universe has always been deep which I loved but now it's just far too much, it's getting a little ridiculous.

I agree to a point. I like a lot of the new ideas 343 has added to the Halo Universe, but the execution on the other hand, not so much. None of it is major, but mostly a lot of silly things that take me out of the books and Halo 4.




[Edited on 12.02.2012 10:34 PM PST]

  • 12.02.2012 10:15 PM PDT

In the original Trilogy Bungie vaguely hinted the Precursors may have been responsible for the Flood. The Precursors were millions of years older than the Forerunners, capable of traveling to other galaxies and tinkering with the evolution of other life forms. They also supposedly achieved something called trans-sentience; a new level of consciousness, unified, maybe even immortal. Sound familiar? The Gravemind spouts a bunch of this at the Chief to try and stop him from rescuing Cortana and blowing up the Ark.The idea that the Flood is the Precursors or the Flood itself is a type of twisted test is just a bit much. It would make more sense if the Flood was a experiment gone horribly wrong by a group of wacked Precursors and not a psychotic test meant to prove what species should have dominion over the galaxy.

[Edited on 12.02.2012 10:36 PM PST]

  • 12.02.2012 10:31 PM PDT

You and Me and the Devil makes three.

Sounds like the opposite of mass effect's indoctrination process.

  • 12.02.2012 10:49 PM PDT

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Just to clarify, the Primordial, the last Precursor, said that the Precursors had created the Flood.

  • 12.03.2012 3:06 AM PDT


Posted by: Old Salty27

Posted by: adamj004
The halo universe has become far too complicated and far too much has been added. To me it's just a bother trying to learn about it all.

The halo universe has always been deep which I loved but now it's just far too much, it's getting a little ridiculous.

I agree to a point. I like a lot of the new ideas 343 has added to the Halo Universe, but the execution on the other hand, not so much. None of it is major, but mostly a lot of silly things that take me out of the books and Halo 4.




I must admit, I'm not a huge fan of the whole ancient human civilization subplot. I rather miss when the Forerunners were more mysterious too.

  • 12.03.2012 3:37 AM PDT

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Posted by: Old Salty27
The idea that the Flood is the Precursors or the Flood itself is a type of twisted test is just a bit much. It would make more sense if the Flood was a experiment gone horribly wrong by a group of wacked Precursors and not a psychotic test meant to prove what species should have dominion over the galaxy.


Why is it "a bit too much"? Why does your version "make more sense"? On what basis would what you want to happen be at all credible?

The 'experiment gone wrong' trope is one of the most overused, unoriginal and cliche ideas in sci-fi.

  • 12.03.2012 4:10 AM PDT


Posted by: Jump Into Hell

Posted by: ajw34307
The test, as far as we know, dictates that you submit to the Flood. The Ancient Humans, in an effort to use their 'cure' threw a third of their whole population of the Flood, and while the cure didn't actually work the Flood stopped infecting humanity. We had [unconsciously] submitted, we passed.

The Forerunners failed because they took up arms and relentlessly fought back, never giving in to the Flood.


Then why didn't the Flood consume all of humanity? Wasn't the plan to consume all of the galaxy's sentient life for perfect unity?


It was my understanding that Mankind had passed the test because of the sacrifices we had been willing to make, not because we willingly infected ourselves. The Forerunners failed because they were overly arrogant and took everyone with them during their great sacrifice.

  • 12.03.2012 4:21 AM PDT

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