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Subject: "Just Let It Slide One More Time"

I don't see you doing anything to help our country.
Except sitting at home, naked, eating twinkies, rubbing your hands together going "Heh. Target Destroyed. Mission Accomplished." Oh wait. that's not helping.

Game after game after game comes out, each progressively less complete than its predecessor. Think back to when the original Xbox was around, no game would ever release an unfinished version of itself. Everything would be fleshed out to be as good as it could get. Even Halo 2, which is considered the father of online console gaming, was fleshed out fairly well. Of course there were a fair amount of glitches and towards the end modding became prevalent, but for a mode that was almost cut it turned out pretty well. Then came the next gen of consoles.

The games that were out remained popular, until of course the big dogs came around. Halo 3 and COD 4. The rise of online multiplayer. Halo 3 had a beta, as did COD 4. Sadly I don't know many details of the COD 4 beta, but I know a fair about about Halo 3. It was used to flesh out online for lag, glitches, and of course balance the weapon sandbox. Equipment was redone as a result, as were vehicles, and even graphic changes. They used it to fine tune the game and make sure it would play well. There were no updates for Halo 3 or COD 4 that rebalanced the core game, just the addition of modes and of course new maps. We then have the next generation of these games.

MW2, Halo 3: ODST and Battlefield Bad Company were the next generation. Halo 3 of course was still the multplayer game for Halo, and still stayed at the top of the leaderboards. MW2 was considered largely unbalanced by most, and due to multiple exploits found was updated numerous times. While no key features were missing from the game, the prominence of glitching and of course the occasional mod detracted from the overall game. Battlefield Bad Company, balanced, fun, not the most popular game out, but it catered to it's playerbase well. This generation marked the start of the decline.

Black Ops, Halo Reach, and Bad Company 2. Black Ops was largely unbalanced, while there were no server issues it had a large modding problem and was highly exploited. I have heard mixed things, and it did very well despite these problems. This told developers they can now ship out an unfinished game. Halo Reach was considered a farce by many, though it had a beta many comments such as vehicle health were ignored. It changed the fundamentals of Halo and while making a high profit at launch ended up largely failing in the end. In an effort to cater to all audiences the game was unbalanced, had a strange gameplay, and of course left vehicle combat mostly out of question. It was updated many times to attempt to fix it, altering the game at it's core. After release major changes are now okay. Bad Company 2, really I heard no complaints from anyone. It was a fun game, it was balanced, and online worked very well. A good finished product. The next generation is where it all went downhill.

MW3, Battlefield 3, Halo 4, Black Ops 2, and damn near every game out that now has it's own contrived multiplayer mode. MW3 is considered the worst in the series, unbalanced, glitchy, still very hackable. It received rebalancing updates multiple times and still was not anywhere near fleshed out. Battlefield 3 of course had a beta, but not one in which many features were shown off. The removal of almost all destruction from the game was saddening. The game itself was largely unflawed, though the rent-a-server update killed online for most. Halo 4 is, unfinished. No file browser, issues from Reach that still aren't fixed, and a further restructure of Halo. The removal of many modes from the game is further detrimental to the game. I will say only this, while this is the first 343i game they have industry pros making them up. There is no excuse for releasing an unfinished game. The server issues a month into launch are really inexcusable. The same goes for Black Ops 2, while the game itself plays fine, theater mode is apparently not working for many, and there were of course server issues during launch week. It is plagued with an unbalanced sandbox, and obvious glitches that should never have been shipped.

So why are we letting this continue? With each generation the games are being released in less finished states. Oh and don't think I forgot about Assassins Creed, it doesn't even need to be discusses. Glitches in the game that shouldn't be. The same goes for Mas Effect. Each release more buggy, less finished, and overall worse. This needs to end. The attitude of finishing the game after release is ridiculous. No game gets a free pass, no dev gets a free pass. With AAA titles they should be finished. You either make it well or you don't. Why is this still going on then? Should developers not be getting better? It really is a sad thing to see, the decline of quality.

tldr; Game developers cut more corners in each generation of games, releasing games now that play about as well as a beta build. It is sad and inexcusable, so why is it allowed to continue?

  • 12.02.2012 2:56 PM PDT

Posted by: FatherlyNick
Im the flood's underground member.

...

Ah, who am i kidding, we are all basement dwellers...

- random Floodian truest words ever

They are being corrupted from within...

  • 12.02.2012 2:56 PM PDT

Posted by: CultMiester4000
I'm not really an Apple person (Bananas forever) but damn, that's kinda sad.

Is this becoming a daily thing with you? Jesus

  • 12.02.2012 2:56 PM PDT

“If we will disbelieve everything, because we cannot certainly know all things, we shall do much what as wisely as he who would not use his legs, but sit still and perish, because he had no wings to fly.” - John Locke

"How can anyone be enlightened? Truth after all is so poorly lit." - Rush

Serious business, guys.

  • 12.02.2012 2:57 PM PDT

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Have Fai7h

My old Halo account: karsttheninja99

Its allowed to happen because dummies keep buying their sorry excuse of a product. They think they're doing fine because they keep making $$$$$

  • 12.02.2012 2:57 PM PDT
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I do not want to stop asking. I do not ask to stop wanting.


Posted by: ParagonRenegade
Is this becoming a daily thing with you? Jesus

  • 12.02.2012 2:58 PM PDT

I don't see you doing anything to help our country.
Except sitting at home, naked, eating twinkies, rubbing your hands together going "Heh. Target Destroyed. Mission Accomplished." Oh wait. that's not helping.


Posted by: ParagonRenegade
Is this becoming a daily thing with you? Jesus
What? I have never made a topic on this. Maybe you should try reading the OP before you make assumptions. Perhaps you just like your products unfinished. How would you feel if your computer shipped with a few wiring errors that made it randomly shut off or not work at all. How about your tv? Would you still buy it if it shipped with random pixels burned out? Don't worry, the guy at Best Buy told you they will fix it at a later unnamed date, so you'll be fine until then right?

  • 12.02.2012 3:00 PM PDT

At least I didn't get kil-

Halo 4 is the most unfinished triple-A title I have ever seen. It is broken and unfinished in so many ways, its a disgrace.

What's worse is that people defend it by saying its only been out for a few weeks. Bull-blam!-. A game shouldn't require updates, I paid $60 for it, it should be finished.

  • 12.02.2012 3:02 PM PDT

"There's a very fine line between not listening, and not caring. I'd like to think that I walk that line every day."

'Cause hundreds of thousands will still play it

We'll just have to wait until some developer really -blam!-s up, big time. Then I'd expect we'd see a change.

  • 12.02.2012 3:02 PM PDT

http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=39477223


Posted by: Black Eagle X99

Posted by: ParagonRenegade
Is this becoming a daily thing with you? Jesus
What? I have never made a topic on this. Maybe you should try reading the OP before you make assumptions. Perhaps you just like your products unfinished. How would you feel if your computer shipped with a few wiring errors that made it randomly shut off or not work at all. How about your tv? Would you still buy it if it shipped with random pixels burned out? Don't worry, the guy at Best Buy told you they will fix it at a later unnamed date, so you'll be fine until then right?


Verbal diarrhea.

Keep in mind your audience and subject matter and adjust your text to an appropriate level of conciseness.

  • 12.02.2012 3:02 PM PDT

I am Brosidon, King of the Brocean

This is all I'm reading, OP

(Set it to hacker and click dialectize)

[Edited on 12.02.2012 3:05 PM PST]

  • 12.02.2012 3:04 PM PDT


Posted by: Black Eagle X99
Even Halo 2, which is considered the father of online console gaming, was fleshed out fairly well. Of course there were a fair amount of glitches and towards the end modding became prevalent, but for a mode that was almost cut it turned out pretty well. Then came the next gen of consoles.

Lol good one OP, but Halo 2 was an absolute mess online. Modding was everywhere and you are acting like it wasn't. the upper tier of the rank system was pretty much entirely modders. You could get out of every map and the custom game options were lacking for a better term. Then glitches were almost as prevalent as modding was. You are acting like Halo 2 is a good example of a well done game when it really wasn't at least from a technical standpoint. As for current games I do agree there is a lack of care in some major titles about the actual quality of their game, but in the end they know it will sell.

  • 12.02.2012 3:08 PM PDT

I don't see you doing anything to help our country.
Except sitting at home, naked, eating twinkies, rubbing your hands together going "Heh. Target Destroyed. Mission Accomplished." Oh wait. that's not helping.


Posted by: finalknight92

Posted by: Black Eagle X99

Posted by: ParagonRenegade
Is this becoming a daily thing with you? Jesus
What? I have never made a topic on this. Maybe you should try reading the OP before you make assumptions. Perhaps you just like your products unfinished. How would you feel if your computer shipped with a few wiring errors that made it randomly shut off or not work at all. How about your tv? Would you still buy it if it shipped with random pixels burned out? Don't worry, the guy at Best Buy told you they will fix it at a later unnamed date, so you'll be fine until then right?


Verbal diarrhea.

Keep in mind your audience and subject matter and adjust your text to an appropriate level of conciseness.
All of those sentences were grammatically correct, even if they weren't it was meant to illustrate a situation, one you apparently didn't understand. I fail to see how I left from my subject matter, so it seems to me you're just throwing around terms trying to sound like the internet professor.

  • 12.02.2012 3:08 PM PDT

Posted by: Maybe You Will
Sex is a sensation caused by temptation, a guy sticks his location into a girl's destination to increase population for the next generation. Do you get my explanation, or do you need a demonstration?

Posted by: Cahl hith
How the hell can you guys love the environment? YOU KEEP EATING ALL THE GOD DAMN PLANTS!


Posted by: Black Eagle X99

Posted by: finalknight92

Posted by: Black Eagle X99

Posted by: ParagonRenegade
Is this becoming a daily thing with you? Jesus
What? I have never made a topic on this. Maybe you should try reading the OP before you make assumptions. Perhaps you just like your products unfinished. How would you feel if your computer shipped with a few wiring errors that made it randomly shut off or not work at all. How about your tv? Would you still buy it if it shipped with random pixels burned out? Don't worry, the guy at Best Buy told you they will fix it at a later unnamed date, so you'll be fine until then right?


Verbal diarrhea.

Keep in mind your audience and subject matter and adjust your text to an appropriate level of conciseness.
All of those sentences were grammatically correct, even if they weren't it was meant to illustrate a situation, one you apparently didn't understand. I fail to see how I left from my subject matter, so it seems to me you're just throwing around terms trying to sound like the internet professor.

He's saying that, because everything is grammatically correct, the majority of The Flood won't understand.

  • 12.02.2012 3:10 PM PDT

Challenge me to a Hawaiian Punch chugging contest. I dare you.


Posted by: mubox47
$.50 in store credit.

Keep in mind, those are three franchises mostly published by the same few Devs. IMO, there are much better games that came out recently that don't have similar problems.

But, just considering the games you listed, that does seem to be the trend.

  • 12.02.2012 3:11 PM PDT

Rock bottom is no place to set up camp. Especially in the dark.

TL;DR

lelele

  • 12.02.2012 3:12 PM PDT

I don't see you doing anything to help our country.
Except sitting at home, naked, eating twinkies, rubbing your hands together going "Heh. Target Destroyed. Mission Accomplished." Oh wait. that's not helping.


Posted by: The EAKLE
Keep in mind, those are three franchises mostly published by the same few Devs. IMO, there are much better games that came out recently that don't have similar problems.

But, just considering the games you listed, that does seem to be the trend.
Which are the exceptions? Mass Effect, Assassins Creed, Gears of War; they all either have huge glitches in their single player that get progressively worse, or a poorly made multiplayer that was thrown in just because, which takes up time that could be spent improving the rest of the game. These are the big titles around right now, even Crisis fell victim to the trend. I haven't seen anyone I know play it since launch week. There are of course a few exceptions, but around 80-90% of the games released follow this trend.

  • 12.02.2012 3:14 PM PDT

"I will show you how a true Prussian officer fights!"

"And i will show you where the iron crosses grow..."

- "Cross of Iron"

I will just keep playing great PC games, don't worry!

  • 12.02.2012 3:15 PM PDT

GT/Steam: Squiggy888
I try my best to block out the screams
But they're haunting me in my dreams
Please, break my shackles, I want it to stop

Posted by: Covy Killer
Sergeant Explosion and The Quiet Day in London.

People complain about all this stuff that happens in their campaign experience, and I play through the campaign and don't encounter any glitches at all.

Like in Skyrim; people complaining about game breaking glitches, and I've finished all the achievements that shipped with the game in under two weeks.

  • 12.02.2012 3:18 PM PDT

Halo 2 was literally an unfinished game. As in, Bungie didn't have enough time to finish it so they just pushed it out the door. Just saying.

  • 12.02.2012 3:18 PM PDT


Posted by: Black Eagle X99
Which are the exceptions? Mass Effect, Assassins Creed, Gears of War; they all either have huge glitches in their single player that get progressively worse, or a poorly made multiplayer that was thrown in just because, which takes up time that could be spent improving the rest of the game. These are the big titles around right now, even Crisis fell victim to the trend. I haven't seen anyone I know play it since launch week. There are of course a few exceptions, but around 80-90% of the games released follow this trend.

I'll give you AC to an extent, but as for ME it only got worse in the sense that RPG elements were diminished and it became more of an AA game which really isn't a negative. As for Gears hardly the series improved with each new game. The only exception would be Judgement which isn't even being made completely by Epic. As for Crysis the main issue is it was on consoles in stead of just PC. A better example would have been Skyrim, but still that isn't necessarily a bad thing at least it doesn't fall under this topic.

  • 12.02.2012 3:18 PM PDT
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I've been playing Halo since 2002. My earliest memories include hiding at the shotgun window on Damnation and killing my dad with grenades while playing co-op on Pillar of Autumn.

Black Eagle X99 vidya complaint thread #7697

  • 12.02.2012 3:19 PM PDT


Posted by: Black Eagle X99

Posted by: ParagonRenegade
Is this becoming a daily thing with you? Jesus
What? I have never made a topic on this. Maybe you should try reading the OP before you make assumptions. Perhaps you just like your products unfinished. How would you feel if your computer shipped with a few wiring errors that made it randomly shut off or not work at all. How about your tv? Would you still buy it if it shipped with random pixels burned out? Don't worry, the guy at Best Buy told you they will fix it at a later unnamed date, so you'll be fine until then right?


Yeah, there's a fatal flaw with your argument there. You see, PCs and TVs are required to be repaired if that happens, because if they don't then you have a very expensive paperweight. Not good for business really.

Little bit less believable.

  • 12.02.2012 3:19 PM PDT

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