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Posted by: x Foman123 x
We're not going to start citing laws or ethics codes. The rules are intentionally vague, at the mandate of our hosts. This is how they want it, and our consistent advice is to stay out of the gray areas.I was always informed it was for readability, is it really the case that they are deliberately vague?
(which you already do anyway -- all you ever post is sarcastic comments in the Community Forum... why are you so interested in this?)I might not avoid posting in the gray area forever!
If you want a guideline as to what the gray areas are for the NSFW rule, use the same one that we've stated before in this forum: if you could see it in a PG-13 movie, it's okay. If you could only see it in an R movie, it's in the gray area. If you could only see it in an NC-17 movie, it's prohibited.I looked up the MPAA rating rules (link), and I think you might disagree with your own system. For PG-13, which you deem acceptable, it states:
A PG-13 motion picture may go beyond the PG rating in theme, violence, nudity, sensuality, language, adult activities or other elements, but does not reach the restricted R category. The theme of the motion picture by itself will not result in a rating greater than PG-13, although depictions of activities related to a mature theme may result in a restricted rating for the motion picture. Any drug use will initially require at least a PG-13 rating. More than brief nudity will require at least a PG-13 rating, but such nudity in a PG-13 rated motion picture generally will not be -blam!-ly oriented.
There's a lot of problems justifying some rule enforcement here, because it permits nudity in the condition that it is not -blam!-ly oriented. In the previous thread, nude images were deleted despite users such as elmicker claiming they were art. Considering the levels of subjectivity, perhaps you wish to adopt a different system of judgment.
Posted by: edableshoe
Alright, if you know that everyone has differing bosses, then let's go with the most stringent and tight-assed boss for this example, and call it a day.This is a terrible idea. If we are to post by the most stingent of standards, it would make limiting us to pictures of women only in Burqas the most generous thing of all time. If anything, I would expect you to seek the most common point or perhaps a middleground instead of going to the extremely conservative point.
Posted by: BobBQ
Seven bucks says the entire point of this thread is to sound for exploitable loopholes.Bob, if you don't like a perfectly justifiable discussion, perhaps it would be better if you kept out of it rather than resorting to ad hominem.
Posted by: True Underdog
I want to make sure that Bungie.net is a place where friendly, positive discussion can take place. It seems that most people can grasp the concept of common sense and what I mean by friendly, positive discussion. Those that get their jollies by skirting the line will either find themselves thrilled to be able to discuss their borderline naughty subjects, or they'll find themselves in time out.While it seems correct to ban this 'naught' discussion within the confines of the rules, you seem the only person who concerns themselves with negative of those that have posted in this thread. While there are rules such as "Be nice" and "Don't be a jerk", I don't feel the subjectivity of positive ("the dress is fine, you don't look fat") and negativity ("your dog died") it worth debating because, to be fair, negativity and jerkishness doesn't seem to be enforced. If you wish to discuss the subjectivity of such rules, I am open to it; however, you seem to be the only person who cares about them, which is startling.
Posted by: About 9 Grunts
If you wouldn't want your mother to know your looking at it then it's probably not okay. Heavily simplified but usually a pretty good rule to follow.God forbid someone here is an orphan.
Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Hey OP, can you please tell me why all you do whenever you make a thread on the Septagon is argue some minute detail about one thing or another and make a mountain out of a grain of dirt in a molehill? It's rather obnoxious.Sorry, I just want to know. Why is everyone getting so upset by curiosity?
The rules are specific enough that you should have a general idea of how to post and vague enough that "you have no rights" covers any area not explicitly covered in the rules that you may get banned for posting, posting about, and/or discussing.But that means I could be banned for anything! How am I even expected to post then?
Posted by: SonicJohn
If it jingles your jangles and rustles your jimmies, chances are, it's not for the kiddies.What does this even mean?
Posted by: BobBQ
Nowhere in my contract does it specify that I have to suffer fools gladly, nor that I have to humor them when they drag out a topic for the better part of three pages with nitpicking and goalpost moving.Bob if you don't want to post then I have no desire to force you. Do not misunderstand! If this topic brings you such suffering then post no more!
Posted by: Old Papa Rich
Here's the thing. You aren't involved in making the rules. So how they are made is not relevant. Bungie has a specific culture they are trying to create and maintain with these rules. It is their design, not a democratic process.Papa Rich do not confuse the issue! How they are made is very relevant to us! The rules are given to us and very much affect us, so to us, they and their creation is very relevant. We may not desire a democratic involvement, but if something is expected of us, we should at least understand it.
The rules are formatted the way they are for a few reasons. Simplicity is prefered. As Recon pointed out, we've been on the other side of his spectrum before. It was unpleasant for both sides. The community is not burdened with keeping track of all the minor subsets of rules, just a broad view of behavior. It is then up to each individual to use common sense and their own power of observation to comply. Will some people be slapped on be wrist because of this? Sure, but it's much easier on the community as a whole.The rules were nothing compared to a modern legal code. You claim it's benefited the community, but really this is from the standpoint of enforcement. While you may play a double role, those excluded from enforcement, and the inner workings of hfcs and the rules are left in the dark and don't feel such benefit. The rules weren't daunting, and ultimately the coloring placemat children's menu that has replaced the regular menu for the rules and the Code of Conduct is dangerous if not demeaning.
Moderators are chosen because they seem to have a grasp on the common sense Bungie is shooting for. The simplicity of the rules allows for some minor inconsistencies which are bound to arise. You cannot have total uniformity in judgement.Just because things cannot be perfect does not permit us to dismiss a chance for improvement in user-moderator relations and communication.
Please do not accuse anyone of making idiotic assumptions or whining. Neither is taking place.See: Bob's posts.
It is just being explained to you as clearly as possible.hwat
If this does not suffice, well then, there is always the trial and error method. That or make your own site.Why can't you just explain some of the judgmental process behind your bans?
Posted by: Coxx153
I hope we are able to still produce the 2013 mythics calendarTell me more.