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Posted by: Distant Dawn
Note how it is says regular pattern and standard. It is standard for people to stick to their own sex, and it's a consistent pattern in our species. You're way too desperate to make the situation fit your own opinion.
Heterosex-uality is not the "standard" as there is nothing that sets said standard. It is the majority behaviour, yes.

My point is that there is no such thing as a "normal" human being, because there is no such human being that adheres to all the standards of normalcy

  • 12.04.2012 9:18 AM PDT

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So we're just going to disregard the claims of the many experts before them. Seems like people accept what they say when it fits their own opinion.
*sigh* such thick-headedness

There's such a thing as being proven wrong. See, in the scientific community, be it physics, biology, or psychology, we have this thing called peer review. Through this, by constantly examining current and previous work/theories/facts, we can determine what is valid. Often previous theories/discoveries end up altered, refined, or even completely discredited. We call this the "scientific method."


So, no, only amateurs in the field just "accept what they say when it fits their own opinion."

It's nice to see you accept the fact that you're an amateur. Also, being proven wrong when it comes to non natural science is a very grey area, hence why you only cited natural sciences with the exception being psychology. You only included it because you're tying to support you case, which you don't have. What's deemed a disorder can vary depending on who's conducting the analysis and the overall agreement of people. It's pretty clear you don't know what you're talking about.
Psychology is a science. It's the scientific examination of the human mind. It's an incredibly complex science, and very difficult, given the extraordinarily complex nature of the brain. You are a complete and utter fool if you think there is no science and scientific method in psychology.

Learn to read. Not once did I say it wasn't a science, I clearly stated it was very grey compared to the natural sciences.
Yes, it's a more complex science, with increased difficulty in coming to conclusions. That by no means one simply "ignores the experts before you" and just "only look at experts that support your opinion."

  • 12.04.2012 9:19 AM PDT

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Posted by: Distant Dawn
It is standard for people to stick to their own sex, and it's a consistent pattern in our species.

Which is where you just shot yourself in the foot.

There are over 750 species that exhibit multi--blam!- or homogenized -blam!- tendencies. Only 2 or 3 species to my immediate knowledge exhibit same-sex traits that are not mammals. So no, you are dead wrong.

From a biological aspect, it is entirely normal for mammals to be homogenized in their -blam!- tendencies.

Edit:
I stand corrected on who/what can be homogenized in their -blam!- tendencies

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  • 12.04.2012 9:19 AM PDT

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Posted by: Distant Dawn
Note how it is says regular pattern and standard. It is standard for people to stick to their own sex, and it's a consistent pattern in our species. You're way too desperate to make the situation fit your own opinion.

Standard? No. Simply more common.

  • 12.04.2012 9:20 AM PDT

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I stand corrected on who/what can be homogenized in their -blam!- tendencies
FTFY

  • 12.04.2012 9:24 AM PDT

I have a friend who tell me that she "wants to grow a -peenis!- and cut her tits off" I respond "The hell you want me to do about it?"

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  • 12.04.2012 9:25 AM PDT

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Good. It shouldn't have been on that list anyways. Its not like they chose to be in the wrong body.

  • 12.04.2012 9:27 AM PDT

Lol. It appears if enough people get something and complain, it no longer becomes a disorder.

  • 12.04.2012 9:31 AM PDT

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Posted by: Binman59
Lol. It appears if enough people get something and complain, it no longer becomes a disorder.
lol, it appears that if enough experts analyze the issue and ignore the opinion of the uneducated masses, they realize it isn't a disorder

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  • 12.04.2012 9:32 AM PDT

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Posted by: Binman59
Lol. It appears if enough people get something and complain, it no longer becomes a disorder.

One does not simply "get" gender dysphoria.

  • 12.04.2012 9:33 AM PDT

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I dunno. If it isn't a mental disorder, what is it? I don't want to be insensitive to the people who are labeled it, but this needs to be classified.

  • 12.04.2012 9:44 AM PDT

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Posted by: Distant Dawn
It is standard for people to stick to their own sex, and it's a consistent pattern in our species.

Which is where you just shot yourself in the foot.

There are over 750 species that exhibit multi--blam!- or homogenized -blam!- tendencies. Only 2 or 3 species to my immediate knowledge exhibit same-sex traits that are not mammals. So no, you are dead wrong.

From a biological aspect, it is entirely normal for mammals to be homogenized in their -blam!- tendencies.

Edit:
I stand corrected on who/what can be homogenized in their -blam!- tendencies

Nice logical fallacy. Dodge the fact that I'm referring to humans then bring up other species. And 750 out of the thousands isn't much. Also, just because a species commits an act doesn't make it biologically permissible. The percentage of -blam!--blam!- animals in a certain species in incredibly low.
But the point remains that it's natural, albeit uncommon. No other species besides humans sees it as a negative trait.

  • 12.04.2012 10:21 AM PDT
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Any new evidence or research to warrant this change?

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Posted by: JFKES
Any new evidence or research to warrant this change?

Evidence, in the sense that trans people are being publicly and unfairly categorized as mentally ill, and declassifying it as a mental disorder detaches a lot of the negative stigma of being a trans person and getting the care you need.

Why it was categorized as a mental disorder to begin with does not make sense to me. Simply *being* trans is not a disorder. The gender dysphoria that trans people experience is what is classified as a disorder by the APA.

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This thread was bound to turn out this way.

  • 12.04.2012 10:35 AM PDT

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What exactly does this mean for transgenders then?

Part of the negative stigma is removed. Having part of your life being defined as a mental disorder is troubling for a lot of people.


Really? You think so? You think, because the APA in the DSM-V decided to remove it as a mental disorder, the stigma will be removed?

  • 12.04.2012 10:38 AM PDT

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But the point remains that it's natural, albeit uncommon. No other species besides humans sees it as a negative trait.

Maybe that has to do with the fact that we're a highly intelligent species.

So, because we're intelligent, it's correct to classify being trans as a disorder? Even though it occurs naturally and in other species, it's somehow wrong for us?

  • 12.04.2012 10:38 AM PDT

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What should be classified as a mental illness is the irrationality some of you show when told that there is nothing wrong with being LGBT.

You guys act like everyone in that community should be in therapy and on meds. It makes me feel sorry for you. It really does, as it can not be easy to live like that. In fear that the world doesn't match the little preconception you have.

  • 12.04.2012 10:39 AM PDT

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Posted by: Murcielago00
What exactly does this mean for transgenders then?

Part of the negative stigma is removed. Having part of your life being defined as a mental disorder is troubling for a lot of people.


Really? You think so? You think, because the APA in the DSM-V decided to remove it as a mental disorder, the stigma will be removed?
No, that's not what I said. I was saying what effect this decision will have on the trans community, not the motivation of the APA.

  • 12.04.2012 10:39 AM PDT