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Subject: APA says being transgender is no longer a mental disorder


Posted by: MadMax888

Posted by: DatDudeBV
I don't understand how it CAN'T be considered a mental illness.
Well, you aren't part of the psychiatry field, so I doubt you would understand.


That makes no sense.

I'm not in the auto field, but I can rebuild a car engine.

Just because I haven't majored in something doesn't mean I can't understand it.

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Posted by: DatDudeBV

Posted by: MadMax888

Posted by: DatDudeBV
I don't understand how it CAN'T be considered a mental illness.
Well, you aren't part of the psychiatry field, so I doubt you would understand.


That makes no sense.

I'm not in the auto field, but I can rebuild a car engine.

Just because I haven't majored in something doesn't mean I can't understand it.



Ok then.

How would you define mental illness? And how would transgenderism fit the criteria?

Please explain.

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Posted by: DatDudeBV

Posted by: MadMax888

Posted by: DatDudeBV
I don't understand how it CAN'T be considered a mental illness.
Well, you aren't part of the psychiatry field, so I doubt you would understand.


That makes no sense.

I'm not in the auto field, but I can rebuild a car engine.

Just because I haven't majored in something doesn't mean I can't understand it.

I said nothing about majoring in a field of study. I don't entirely understand their thought process, but since they're leaders of their field, I'll yield to their expertise.

  • 12.03.2012 9:22 PM PDT


Posted by: MadMax888


Mental disorder is a psychological syndrome or behavioral pattern that is associated with subjective distress and/or objective impairment.

Feeling dysphoria because of discomfort stemming from the feeling that their bodies are "wrong" or meant to be different.

If it interferes with your well-being it is indeed a "disorder".




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  • 12.03.2012 9:25 PM PDT


Posted by: MadMax888

Posted by: DatDudeBV

Posted by: MadMax888

Posted by: DatDudeBV
I don't understand how it CAN'T be considered a mental illness.
Well, you aren't part of the psychiatry field, so I doubt you would understand.


That makes no sense.

I'm not in the auto field, but I can rebuild a car engine.

Just because I haven't majored in something doesn't mean I can't understand it.

I said nothing about majoring in a field of study. I don't entirely understand their thought process, but since they're leaders of their field, I'll yield to their expertise.


I still don't buy it.

I'm thinking its just part of political correctness just as kill zone said on the last page. Wouldn't want to piss off the LBLTS or whatever there calling themselves these days.

I guess being attracted to little kids will soon not be a mental illness either. Can't help who you're attracted to.

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Posted by: DatDudeBV

Posted by: MadMax888

Posted by: DatDudeBV

Posted by: MadMax888

Posted by: DatDudeBV
I don't understand how it CAN'T be considered a mental illness.
Well, you aren't part of the psychiatry field, so I doubt you would understand.


That makes no sense.

I'm not in the auto field, but I can rebuild a car engine.

Just because I haven't majored in something doesn't mean I can't understand it.

I said nothing about majoring in a field of study. I don't entirely understand their thought process, but since they're leaders of their field, I'll yield to their expertise.


I still don't buy it.

I'm thinking its just part of political correctness just as kill zone said on the last page. Wouldn't want to piss off the LBLTS or whatever there calling themselves these days.

I guess being attracted to little kids will soon not be a mental illness either. Can't help who you're attracted to.


The only thing differentiating an 'illness' from an 'abnormality' is that an illness has a negative impact.

  • 12.03.2012 10:01 PM PDT

So it is now considered a life choice? Because if the transgenders keep saying they were born a man trapped in a womans body Im still considering that a mental disorder.

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Posted by: About 540 Jews
So it is now considered a life choice?

No.

  • 12.03.2012 10:15 PM PDT

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Posted by: zarrowsmith
If you had an electron microscope, you still couldn't find the -blam!- I don't give.

Wait, isn't it a mental disorder and a physical disorder


IM CONFUSED even more now

  • 12.03.2012 10:17 PM PDT

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1973. Seeing as how soon that was, I feel like we are so far behind as a human race.

  • 12.03.2012 10:28 PM PDT

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Posted by: car15

Posted by: Locke357
Well psychologists are the ones with doctorates in studying the human mind.

Because credentials mean you're a genius.
Credentials do not speak to genius, simply experience. As in, someone with over a decade of academic study regarding the human mind would be more qualified to talk about it than say, you or I.

  • 12.04.2012 7:34 AM PDT


Posted by: Locke357

Posted by: car15

Posted by: Locke357
Well psychologists are the ones with doctorates in studying the human mind.

Because credentials mean you're a genius.
Credentials do not speak to genius, simply experience. As in, someone with over a decade of academic study regarding the human mind would be more qualified to talk about it than say, you or I.

Flood seems to have a hard time grasping that concept.

There's a reason for a person's intro before a presentation. Said individual will state their accomplishments and degrees, so that they can show their qualifications in the topic at hand. That means you should listen.

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So does the LGBT community like or dislike this?

On one hand they are finally being told "Hey, you don't have a problem. It happens, and you are normal", following in the footsteps of the homosex declassification, but on the other hand, its declassification probably means changes to medical plans and coverage of sex changes.

I know my insurance covers sex change currently - but will they keep doing so if it is no longer a medical problem?

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It's not classified as Mentally disordered, but that doesn't mean that they classified it as normal either. Look at schizophrenia, ADD, ADHD, and autism, in the 60's they classified it all is one even though they had different cases; I am not doing "hate" speech towards transgender, but it can be classified as gender or genetic disorder.

Also, in psychoanalysis, they have their own view on trangenderism.

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Check your privilege Flood

  • 12.04.2012 8:00 AM PDT

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Posted by: Distant Dawn
So we're just going to disregard the claims of the many experts before them. Seems like people accept what they say when it fits their own opinion.
*sigh* such thick-headedness

There's such a thing as being proven wrong. See, in the scientific community, be it physics, biology, or psychology, we have this thing called peer review. Through this, by constantly examining current and previous work/theories/facts, we can determine what is valid. Often previous theories/discoveries end up altered, refined, or even completely discredited. We call this the "scientific method."


So, no, only amateurs in the field just "accept what they say when it fits their own opinion."

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Posted by: Locke357

Posted by: Distant Dawn
So we're just going to disregard the claims of the many experts before them. Seems like people accept what they say when it fits their own opinion.
*sigh* such thick-headedness

There's such a thing as being proven wrong. See, in the scientific community, be it physics, biology, or psychology, we have this thing called peer review. Through this, by constantly examining current and previous work/theories/facts, we can determine what is valid. Often previous theories/discoveries end up altered, refined, or even completely discredited. We call this the "scientific method."


So, no, only amateurs in the field just "accept what they say when it fits their own opinion."
That's the beauty of science, being proven wrong. In fact, I'd say that most scientists WANT to be proven wrong, because science strives to find the truth.

  • 12.04.2012 9:02 AM PDT

It never was

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Posted by: lightlamp2
I would still like to know what causes Transgenderism. It isn't exactly "normal"

There is no normal. It's all socially constructed.

  • 12.04.2012 9:09 AM PDT

“If we will disbelieve everything, because we cannot certainly know all things, we shall do much what as wisely as he who would not use his legs, but sit still and perish, because he had no wings to fly.” - John Locke

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Posted by: St Major Dan

Posted by: lightlamp2
I would still like to know what causes Transgenderism. It isn't exactly "normal"

There is no normal. It's all socially constructed.
Thank you.

Flood kiddies around here need to realize that there is no such thing as a "normal" human being (and especially that normal =/= white heterosex-ual male)

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  • 12.04.2012 9:10 AM PDT

ooga booga boooh

Psych minor checking in to this thread.
Posted by: DatDudeBV

There is a difference in consensual engagement between two adults, and an adult and a child. -blam!- will remain both a mental disorder as well as a disgusting act against humanity forever, I believe. It is of a far different dynamic, and we are talking about transgenderism.

Your argument holds no grounds. There are some things, by human nature, we can regard as right and wrong. It is wrong to take advantage of someone who either cannot say no, our who is under your stewardship, such as the instance of a child and an adult. What you're implying is that children of are the same physiological level as adults, and hold the same mental capacity to differentiate a consensual act from being suxually exploited.

Posted by: A Good Troll

You raise an excellent point here, sir. I would contend that yes, there will still be medical benefits here. Many of the disorders of biopolarism, depression, etc., are brought on by social stigmas surrounded by transgenderism. I could be wrong here, but I don't know any of my transgender friends who are on meds for their transgender tendencies: they're on them because they have been harassed their entire lives and have developed actual mental disorders as a coping mechanism.

So, I would contend any medication prescribed to people for being transgender would then now be prescribed. Any medication prescribed for illness of a secondary nature would then still hold.

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Posted by: A Good Troll
So does the LGBT community like or dislike this?

On one hand they are finally being told "Hey, you don't have a problem. It happens, and you are normal", following in the footsteps of the homosex declassification, but on the other hand, its declassification probably means changes to medical plans and coverage of sex changes.

I know my insurance covers sex change currently - but will they keep doing so if it is no longer a medical problem?
To my knowledge, Gender Dysphoria is still a mental condition. Whether or not "solving" Gender Dysphoria [be it through HRT, sex change, etc] would still be covered - I'm not sure. That's my only concern with this decision.

  • 12.04.2012 9:14 AM PDT

“If we will disbelieve everything, because we cannot certainly know all things, we shall do much what as wisely as he who would not use his legs, but sit still and perish, because he had no wings to fly.” - John Locke

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Posted by: Distant Dawn

Posted by: Locke357

Posted by: Distant Dawn
So we're just going to disregard the claims of the many experts before them. Seems like people accept what they say when it fits their own opinion.
*sigh* such thick-headedness

There's such a thing as being proven wrong. See, in the scientific community, be it physics, biology, or psychology, we have this thing called peer review. Through this, by constantly examining current and previous work/theories/facts, we can determine what is valid. Often previous theories/discoveries end up altered, refined, or even completely discredited. We call this the "scientific method."


So, no, only amateurs in the field just "accept what they say when it fits their own opinion."

It's nice to see you accept the fact that you're an amateur. Also, being proven wrong when it comes to non natural science is a very grey area, hence why you only cited natural sciences with the exception being psychology. You only included it because you're tying to support you case, which you don't have. What's deemed a disorder can vary depending on who's conducting the analysis and the overall agreement of people. It's pretty clear you don't know what you're talking about.
Psychology is a science. It's the scientific examination of the human mind. It's an incredibly complex science, and very difficult, given the extraordinarily complex nature of the brain. You are a complete and utter fool if you think there is no science and scientific method in psychology.

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