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Subject: Anyone in here know about debating?

Sorry if you've seen this thread before; But I need some help.

These are the points I have; Topic:
Should the United States wage war against foreign leaders who oppress their people?
Protecting human rights comes into competition with protecting economic development in developing countries.

Vietnam: US tried to prevent S. Vietnam from being taken by Communism, all we did was delay the inevitable.

America is not the worlds police

Our Constitution says we have the right to overthrow our OWN gov. if need be, not others.



Syria borders with Israel (U.S. Ally), Iraq (U.S. Ally), and Turkey (U.S. Ally & NATO member). So the result of the civil war could affect those nations. There are people being killed and tortured everyday, yet no intervention?

Russia and China both are heavily invested in Syria, whether it be weapons or resources. Directly intervening with Syria could cause a conflict with China and Russia. So the cons outweigh the pros.

This is precisely why China doesn't invade Taiwan, because if they do, the U.S., NATO, Australia, Japan, and South Korea will come to help.


If you want to go through the fundamentals. Every state has a Sovereign Right, which is a state's right, at least in principle, to do whatever it wants within its own territory. Traditionally, sovereignty is the most important international norm.

The main question for ANY invasion is; "What will we gain by invading?"



I need to write a paper too, that needs to be turned in and I can use during the debate

[Edited on 12.05.2012 2:43 PM PST]

  • 12.05.2012 2:36 PM PDT
Subject: My Debate Is Next Tuesday

Fairly positive there's some people in here who took debate..

  • 12.05.2012 2:39 PM PDT

If you can make a good argument. I don't think that an invasion and bombing another country is necessary however I do want Alawi scum bags like Bashaar Al Asaad to be removed from power.

  • 12.05.2012 2:41 PM PDT

Please stop complaining about the 'death of a loved one' it's my job. They probably deserved it anyways. Here's a warning, if you keep making pentagrams out of the neighbors livestock I will personally come to your house and kill everyone you love. Now leave me alone, I got to get back to work.
~M.D~

I'm actually in debate.
PF? LD? What exactly will you be debating? Come up with your three points(4 if absolutely necessary) And expand on them, debate papers are the easiest to write.

  • 12.05.2012 2:42 PM PDT
Subject: Anyone in here know about debating?

The cake is a pie

I hold discussions all the time, but I've never taken it up as a study.

I always say that, when debate is done correctly, it is not a competition. Either everybody wins or everybody looses. The moment people start pulling the old show-of-dominance crap on you is the moment that the debate dies. But it's also important to realize that you are trying to prove yourself wrong. Wisest is he who knows he knows nothing, et cetera.

  • 12.05.2012 2:42 PM PDT

Make sure you have good sources

  • 12.05.2012 2:43 PM PDT

Happily married to Fatal_Coin_Vest since July 1st, 2009.

Thank you, Captain K Mart.

It boils down to this: do you think the basic human rights guaranteed to all Americans in the US Constitution are also rights of all people around the world?

If yes, is that a good enough reason to invade a country to attempt to protect those rights?

Or maybe you think that those rights are rights of all people. And you think it is OK for one country to invade another country in order to secure those rights. But maybe the problem lies with the country that has historically done that-- the US. Maybe it needs to be UN intervention.

There are several ways you could take this.

[Edited on 12.05.2012 2:44 PM PST]

  • 12.05.2012 2:43 PM PDT
Subject: My Debate Is Next Tuesday


Posted by: mister death
I'm actually in debate.
PF? LD? What exactly will you be debating? Come up with your three points(4 if absolutely necessary) And expand on them, debate papers are the easiest to write.
Should the United States wage war against foreign leaders who oppress their people? I am against it.

  • 12.05.2012 2:44 PM PDT

As a Muslim I obviously have a different opinion than a Non Muslim.

  • 12.05.2012 2:44 PM PDT


Posted by: NinjaLord77
If you can make a good argument. I don't think that an invasion and bombing another country is necessary however I do want Alawi scum bags like Bashaar Al Asaad to be removed from power.

The issue here is that you need alternatives.
We don't need another scenario where you remove one group and leave a power vacuum for all the others.

  • 12.05.2012 2:45 PM PDT

The cake is a pie


Posted by: NinjaLord77
As a Muslim I obviously have a different opinion than a Non Muslim.

Eh? I wouldn't be so sure. Furthermore, the question at its basis does not revolve around Islam.

  • 12.05.2012 2:45 PM PDT
Subject: Anyone in here know about debating?


Posted by: NinjaLord77
Make sure you have good sources
That's the problem. I need evidence. My gov teacher emailed me and said "It needs to be a real paper paragraphs, cited works, bibliography, etc." for the paper. -blam!-.

  • 12.05.2012 2:45 PM PDT
Subject: My Debate Is Next Tuesday

Happily married to Fatal_Coin_Vest since July 1st, 2009.

Thank you, Captain K Mart.

Posted by: Decieved Soul
Should the United States wage war against foreign leaders who oppress their people? I am against it.

OK, well one thing you should keep in mind is the kind of attacks the people you're debating with will use.

If they're smart, they will bring up the point that I made above: the rights guaranteed to US citizens are in fact universal human rights, that should be granted to all people around the world. You need to be able to rebut that.

  • 12.05.2012 2:46 PM PDT


Posted by: Ultermarto

Posted by: NinjaLord77
As a Muslim I obviously have a different opinion than a Non Muslim.

Eh? I wouldn't be so sure. Furthermore, the question at its basis does not revolve around Islam.
Could I use that every war has put us in debt or?

  • 12.05.2012 2:47 PM PDT


Posted by: St Major Dan

Posted by: NinjaLord77
If you can make a good argument. I don't think that an invasion and bombing another country is necessary however I do want Alawi scum bags like Bashaar Al Asaad to be removed from power.

The issue here is that you need alternatives.
We don't need another scenario where you remove one group and leave a power vacuum for all the others.


Anyone would be better than him.

  • 12.05.2012 2:47 PM PDT


Posted by: mityman50
Posted by: Decieved Soul
Should the United States wage war against foreign leaders who oppress their people? I am against it.

OK, well one thing you should keep in mind is the kind of attacks the people you're debating with will use.

If they're smart, they will bring up the point that I made above: the rights guaranteed to US citizens are in fact universal human rights, that should be granted to all people around the world. You need to be able to rebut that.
I'm debating my teacher. But I don't know how to, the one major thing he WILL bring up is "What if they're our allies?" I don't know how to answer that

  • 12.05.2012 2:47 PM PDT


Posted by: Decieved Soul

Posted by: Ultermarto

Posted by: NinjaLord77
As a Muslim I obviously have a different opinion than a Non Muslim.

Eh? I wouldn't be so sure. Furthermore, the question at its basis does not revolve around Islam.
Could I use that every war has put us in debt or?


The US invades a country after the deaths have gotten very high to make themselves look like the hero. Just my opinion but I do think this is the case.

  • 12.05.2012 2:48 PM PDT


Posted by: NinjaLord77

Posted by: Decieved Soul

Posted by: Ultermarto

Posted by: NinjaLord77
As a Muslim I obviously have a different opinion than a Non Muslim.

Eh? I wouldn't be so sure. Furthermore, the question at its basis does not revolve around Islam.
Could I use that every war has put us in debt or?


The US invades a country after the deaths have gotten very high to make themselves look like the hero. Just my opinion but I do think this is the case.
I have points for my debate, but I need to back them up. Like, in history where one of points could be backed up, or something

  • 12.05.2012 2:49 PM PDT
Subject: Anyone in here know about debating?

The cake is a pie


Posted by: Decieved Soul

Posted by: Ultermarto

Posted by: NinjaLord77
As a Muslim I obviously have a different opinion than a Non Muslim.

Eh? I wouldn't be so sure. Furthermore, the question at its basis does not revolve around Islam.
Could I use that every war has put us in debt or?

It has? I thought that World War II boosted America's economy?

And if you ask me, the question is ethical, not economic. Well, I suppose it necessarily encompasses both, along with many other subjects, but it seems very heartless to leap at the question of money when in concern of people's lives. What matters to me is the turnout of western intervention, which seems consistently negative, and how this conflicts with the simple fact that it feels wrong to sit by and do nothing when injustice is at hand. A paradox presents itself when you consider us all one species, rather than separate nations.

[Edited on 12.05.2012 2:51 PM PST]

  • 12.05.2012 2:49 PM PDT


Posted by: Decieved Soul

Posted by: NinjaLord77
Make sure you have good sources
That's the problem. I need evidence. My gov teacher emailed me and said "It needs to be a real paper paragraphs, cited works, bibliography, etc." for the paper. -blam!-.


You probably shouldn't cite Wikipedia. Use American and foreign news sources so you get opinions from both sides.

  • 12.05.2012 2:50 PM PDT

Mythical Group

There is no greater catharsis than arguing on the Flood.

ITT: People who don't realize debate teams study for both sides because they are informed on their position later and eithercside can be convincing with the right words.

  • 12.05.2012 2:51 PM PDT


Posted by: Ultermarto

Posted by: Decieved Soul

Posted by: Ultermarto

Posted by: NinjaLord77
As a Muslim I obviously have a different opinion than a Non Muslim.

Eh? I wouldn't be so sure. Furthermore, the question at its basis does not revolve around Islam.
Could I use that every war has put us in debt or?

It has? I thought that World War II boosted America's economy?

And if you ask me, the question is ethical, not economic. Well, I suppose it necessarily encompasses both, along with many other subjects, but it seems very heartless to leap at the question of money when in concern of people's lives.


Afghanistan and Iraq didn't help the economy

  • 12.05.2012 2:51 PM PDT
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I go to some tournaments for lincoln - douglas debating and can help you if you need help in that and on the suject of economics.

  • 12.05.2012 2:54 PM PDT

Its not my actions that define me, but under what light I'm being looked upon.


Me after a physics lecture "So what you're saying is, non of it actually exists"
Yellow box "and I thought we were crazy"

I could help but words bear so much Gravity when spoken and lose so much when written.

side note ask yourself if your initial premise is aggreeable by all, if not reserve the argument. You can only argue if you agree on something, ensure you get said thing correct.

  • 12.05.2012 2:54 PM PDT

Will be extremely difficult to solve the Middle East problem. The citizens don't like their own governments but they also don't like the US being there either.

  • 12.05.2012 2:57 PM PDT

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