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Subject: Space Marines or Halo? No Precursors.

I enjoy halo for it's story and when I am in the mood, its gameplay. Reach was significantly worse then I expected but was still a great game (minus the european hitscan fiasco). I am sitting on a two mile wide fence on the subject of halo 4. Most of the things I like a technical aspects though and not story or game play. Plus I am slightly mad they took my elites from MP.

Ok guys just to end the discussion here master chief or any spartan or warrior-servant would get shredded in close combat with a Legiones Astartes. A single standard battle-brother has been stated to perform fifty complex sword manoeuvres a second.

  • 12.05.2012 4:04 PM PDT

Nah no Emperor. It would be pointless to make this and include him. I might as well would have said all of Halo vs the Emperor and make all of the poll choices the Emperor.

Posted by: trojanlord95
Ok guys just to end the discussion here master chief or any spartan or warrior-servant would get shredded in close combat with a Legiones Astartes. A single standard battle-brother has been stated to perform fifty complex sword manoeuvres a second.


That's nice and all but considering everyone has long range weapons I don't think they would be putting themselves in a position to get sliced up by swords.

[Edited on 12.05.2012 4:13 PM PST]

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Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.


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Posted by: MongotheRed
Master Chief solos with the Halo 1 pistol.

Plot twist.

He never found any ammo for it.


Plot twist #2.

The Bandanna Skull was on.


Plot Twist #3.

It's actually the Halo 3 pistol.


Plot Twist #4.

You omitted 'ODST'.


Plot Twist #5.

There are no more plot twists.

  • 12.05.2012 4:12 PM PDT

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Posted by: ANCIENTZOIDIAN
Nah no Emperor. It would be pointless to make this and include him. I might as well would have said all of Halo vs the Emperor and make all of the poll choices the Emperor.
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  • 12.05.2012 4:12 PM PDT


Posted by: trojanlord95
Ok guys just to end the discussion here master chief or any spartan or warrior-servant would get shredded in close combat with a Legiones Astartes. A single standard battle-brother has been stated to perform fifty complex sword manoeuvres a second.


A Forerunner warrior team team can destroy a planet using only their combat suits and some fighters. And by destroy, I mean tearing entire chunks out of a planet and flipping them around like rag dolls. Or causing hurricanes of flame upon the surface, or decimating entire cities with just a squadron. (all from Cryptum). All the sword skills in the universe won't help when the all-aerial Forerunners turn the surface of the planet into magma.

The Warriors in the Terminals were infiltration units, regular infantry for all intents and purposes, because orbital attacks were pointless on a world covered in Precursor tech. But if you let the Forerunners loose, they have no word for "rules of engagement."

  • 12.05.2012 4:14 PM PDT

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Yeah...some Imperium individuals can do that. Probably all legendary psykers, like Emperor, Malcador the Sigilite, Magnus, Ahriman, the occassional random rogue psyker, etc. if they really unleashed their powers

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Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.

Extract from: Priests of Mars, page 305-6
Elements of the technology that had gone into [the construction of this weapon] would have been familiar to some of the more esoteric branches of black hole research and relativistic temporal arcana, but their assembly complexity would have baffled even the Fabricator General on Mars. Pulsing streams of purple-hued anti-matter and graviton pumps combined in unknowable ways in a reactor that drew its power from the dark matter that lurked in the spaces between stars. [...]
Without any command authority from the bridge of the Speranza, the weapon unleashed a silent pulse that covered the distance to the Starblade at the speed of light.
But even that wasn't fast enough to catch a ship as nimble as one built by the bone singers of Biel-Tan and guided by the prescient of a farseer. The pulse of dark energy coalesced a hundred kilometres off the vessel's stern and a miniature black hole exploded into life, dragging in everything within its reach with howling force. Stellar matter, light, and gravity were crushed as they were drawn in and destroyed, and even the Starblade's speed and manoeuverability weren't enough to save it completely as the secondary effect of the weapon's deadly energies brushed over its solar sail. Chrono-weaponry shifted its target a nanosecond into the past, by which time the subatomic reactions of every molecule had shifted microscopically and forced identical neutrons into the same quantum space.
[...]
Though on the periphery of the streaming waves of chrono metric energy, the Starblade's solar mast detonated as though its internal structure had been threaded with explosive charges.

I love the Dark Age.
Theoretically, given the time, any single IoM ship could case a star to go supernova. However, it would be time consuming. In addition, IoM ships are capable of accelerating up to 75% the speed of light ridiculously quick. I could provide quotes, but it would take quite some digging because I don't have them on hand.

  • 12.05.2012 4:19 PM PDT
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Extract from: Priests of Mars, page 305-6
Elements of the technology that had gone into [the construction of this weapon] would have been familiar to some of the more esoteric branches of black hole research and relativistic temporal arcana, but their assembly complexity would have baffled even the Fabricator General on Mars. Pulsing streams of purple-hued anti-matter and graviton pumps combined in unknowable ways in a reactor that drew its power from the dark matter that lurked in the spaces between stars. [...]
Without any command authority from the bridge of the Speranza, the weapon unleashed a silent pulse that covered the distance to the Starblade at the speed of light.
But even that wasn't fast enough to catch a ship as nimble as one built by the bone singers of Biel-Tan and guided by the prescient of a farseer. The pulse of dark energy coalesced a hundred kilometres off the vessel's stern and a miniature black hole exploded into life, dragging in everything within its reach with howling force. Stellar matter, light, and gravity were crushed as they were drawn in and destroyed, and even the Starblade's speed and manoeuverability weren't enough to save it completely as the secondary effect of the weapon's deadly energies brushed over its solar sail. Chrono-weaponry shifted its target a nanosecond into the past, by which time the subatomic reactions of every molecule had shifted microscopically and forced identical neutrons into the same quantum space.
[...]
Though on the periphery of the streaming waves of chrono metric energy, the Starblade's solar mast detonated as though its internal structure had been threaded with explosive charges.

I love the Dark Age.
Theoretically, given the time, any single IoM ship could case a star to go supernova. However, it would be time consuming. In addition, IoM ships are capable of accelerating up to 75% the speed of light ridiculously quick. I could provide quotes, but it would take quite some digging because I don't have them on hand.
I'd like to see the Iron Men fight Promethians.

  • 12.05.2012 4:25 PM PDT


Posted by: rst7503
Yeah...some Imperium individuals can do that. Probably all legendary psykers, like Emperor, Malcador the Sigilite, Magnus, Ahriman, the occassional random rogue psyker, etc. if they really unleashed their powers


Some Imperial individuals (OP ruled out Emperor) compared to the straightforward warfare of a different race? Keep in mind that the war was fought to put down a rebellion, this was no Flood world. "They have no warrior disciplin." Forerunner attacks are utterly ruthless, and their weapons are designed to end things brutally fast. Seeing as they see an attack on them as an attack on the Mantle, they don't stop until their enemoes are erased from history.

And the trillions-strong automated quarentine fleet? Also to defend two worlds for thousands of years. Despite there being more defenses at the Prophet homeworld than there are guns in the UNSC, this quarentine was completely forgotten by Forerunner leadership by the events of Cryptum.

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And then the mutha-blam!-in' Silver Surfer wiped them all out in the blink of an eye.

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Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.


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Posted by: rst7503
Yeah...some Imperium individuals can do that. Probably all legendary psykers, like Emperor, Malcador the Sigilite, Magnus, Ahriman, the occassional random rogue psyker, etc. if they really unleashed their powers


Some Imperial individuals (OP ruled out Emperor) compared to the straightforward warfare of a different race? Keep in mind that the war was fought to put down a rebellion, this was no Flood world. "They have no warrior disciplin." Forerunner attacks are utterly ruthless, and their weapons are designed to end things brutally fast. Seeing as they see an attack on them as an attack on the Mantle, they don't stop until their enemoes are erased from history.

And the trillions-strong automated quarentine fleet? Also to defend two worlds for thousands of years. Despite there being more defenses at the Prophet homeworld than there are guns in the UNSC, this quarentine was completely forgotten by Forerunner leadership by the events of Cryptum.

Question about the quarentine fleet: what are they armed with? For all we know, they may just be a bunch of bricks with a slipspace drive. They were meant to stop the Prophets from leaving those two worlds. When you tech has been significantly regressed, as it was for the Prophets, suddenly having a brick appear in the centre of your engine is a big problem.

To compare it to today, let us look at space junk. Thousands and thousands of pieces of junk are orbiting our planet today. They can be as small as a paint chip to as large as a circuit board. They are orbiting the Earth at a significant velocity. If a wayward screw were to hit out shuttles or satellites in a sensitive place it would easilly spell disaster. Yet, many people are not even aware of this danger. What if the quarentine fleet is just a glorified cloud of space junk?

  • 12.05.2012 4:35 PM PDT


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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: rst7503
Yeah...some Imperium individuals can do that. Probably all legendary psykers, like Emperor, Malcador the Sigilite, Magnus, Ahriman, the occassional random rogue psyker, etc. if they really unleashed their powers


Some Imperial individuals (OP ruled out Emperor) compared to the straightforward warfare of a different race? Keep in mind that the war was fought to put down a rebellion, this was no Flood world. "They have no warrior disciplin." Forerunner attacks are utterly ruthless, and their weapons are designed to end things brutally fast. Seeing as they see an attack on them as an attack on the Mantle, they don't stop until their enemoes are erased from history.

And the trillions-strong automated quarentine fleet? Also to defend two worlds for thousands of years. Despite there being more defenses at the Prophet homeworld than there are guns in the UNSC, this quarentine was completely forgotten by Forerunner leadership by the events of Cryptum.

Question about the quarentine fleet: what are they armed with? For all we know, they may just be a bunch of bricks with a slipspace drive. They were meant to stop the Prophets from leaving those two worlds. When you tech has been significantly regressed, as it was for the Prophets, suddenly having a brick appear in the centre of your engine is a big problem.

To compare it to today, let us look at space junk. Thousands and thousands of pieces of junk are orbiting our planet today. They can be as small as a paint chip to as large as a circuit board. They are orbiting the Earth at a significant velocity. If a wayward screw were to hit out shuttles or satellites in a sensitive place it would easilly spell disaster. Yet, many people are not even aware of this danger. What if the quarentine fleet is just a glorified cloud of space junk?

Doubtful, these are the Forerunners after all.

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Posted by: ANCIENTZOIDIAN
Doubtful, these are the Forerunners after all.

And the Prophets are barely space faring at the time. You hardly need something [even more] high tech.

  • 12.05.2012 4:51 PM PDT


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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: rst7503
Yeah...some Imperium individuals can do that. Probably all legendary psykers, like Emperor, Malcador the Sigilite, Magnus, Ahriman, the occassional random rogue psyker, etc. if they really unleashed their powers


Some Imperial individuals (OP ruled out Emperor) compared to the straightforward warfare of a different race? Keep in mind that the war was fought to put down a rebellion, this was no Flood world. "They have no warrior disciplin." Forerunner attacks are utterly ruthless, and their weapons are designed to end things brutally fast. Seeing as they see an attack on them as an attack on the Mantle, they don't stop until their enemoes are erased from history.

And the trillions-strong automated quarentine fleet? Also to defend two worlds for thousands of years. Despite there being more defenses at the Prophet homeworld than there are guns in the UNSC, this quarentine was completely forgotten by Forerunner leadership by the events of Cryptum.

Question about the quarentine fleet: what are they armed with? For all we know, they may just be a bunch of bricks with a slipspace drive. They were meant to stop the Prophets from leaving those two worlds. When you tech has been significantly regressed, as it was for the Prophets, suddenly having a brick appear in the centre of your engine is a big problem.

To compare it to today, let us look at space junk. Thousands and thousands of pieces of junk are orbiting our planet today. They can be as small as a paint chip to as large as a circuit board. They are orbiting the Earth at a significant velocity. If a wayward screw were to hit out shuttles or satellites in a sensitive place it would easilly spell disaster. Yet, many people are not even aware of this danger. What if the quarentine fleet is just a glorified cloud of space junk?


I'm talking less about the firepower of the individual and more about the strength of the whole. Getting trillions of bricks thrown at your ship at high velocity wouldn't be good for anyone. For all we know they could have been sentinels. Its the simple fact that the Forerunners could build such a fleet, and then totally forget about it.

I reiterate about their industrial capacity. I don't know much about IoM's industry, but it'd be a hard fought battle to compare to that. I know that the IoM is estimated as having "at least 1 million worlds." The Forerunners have at least three times that.

Ground warfare would be a pointless endeavor for the Imperium. The shear amount of ships the Forerunners could produce, and the weapons that they are equipped with, would make a space battle at least an equal fight. But the Forerunners' overuse of AI's would compensate for any biological inferiority, and give them the advantage.

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  • 12.05.2012 4:55 PM PDT

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  • 12.05.2012 4:56 PM PDT


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The imperium of Man has hundreds of billions of soldiers to spare.

I don't think that a war like this would be won on the ground. It would probably come down to fleet to fleet engagements.

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  • 12.05.2012 5:22 PM PDT

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Well you never said anything against the flood. So I think Halo would win.

  • 12.05.2012 5:39 PM PDT

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The Imperium would roflstomp everything up until the Forerunners. That would be close, I don't know if they could pull it off.

  • 12.05.2012 5:56 PM PDT

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Posted by: Zoomzoom97
Well you never said anything against the flood. So I think Halo would win.

This is true, how would the Imperium fare against the parasite?
I think the Flood just might be enough to turn the tide.

  • 12.05.2012 7:52 PM PDT

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The Space Marines are so overpowered is not even funny. They'd wipe the floor with Spartans, Flood, Elites and Forerunners.

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